[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Sam Goldstein sam.goldstein at lp.org
Thu Aug 2 15:39:19 EDT 2018


I object to that terminology.  They are not the acting JC.  They are the 
"top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial
>> Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected" even though 
>> none of them got over 41% of the delegates
to approve of their election.  I suggest calling them the pretend JC.

---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell

On 2018-08-02 15:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Please note that the acting JC (which is how I will refer to them) has
> informed me that they adopted the 2016 Rules of Appellate Procedure
> without amendment so nothing needs to be changed on the publication of
> our Special Rules so we do not need to address that issue.
> 
> -Caryn Ann
> 
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
>> 
>> All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
>> 
>> Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound
>> by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial
>> Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal
>> course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set
>> forth in our Bylaws.  It is acknowledged that this agreement is not
>> binding upon any member or affiliate.
>> 
>> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
>> 
>> Voting "aye":  Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth,
>> Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath
>> 
>> Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn
>> 
>> Express Abstention:  None
>> 
>> No Vote Cast:  Sarwark, Smith
>> 
>> With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES.
>> 
>> Ballot Notes:  Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only
>> counted once).   Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but
>> Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was
>> counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5
>> Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted.  Region 8
>> Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he
>> yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote.  Region 8 Alternate
>> Lyons re-affirmed his no vote.
>> 
>> You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are noted with a link to the
>> actual ballot cast for verification.
>> 
>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> 
>> -Caryn Ann
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>> Nick,
>>> 
>>> You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you -
>>> sometimes without question.  You pretty much led them through each
>>> step on how to close the convention - even going through some
>>> political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and
>>> basically telling them to overrule you.  The delegates trusted that
>>> this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending 
>>> elections
>>> would be taken care of.  But it didn't.  You goofed - it happens.  
>>> But
>>> they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that
>>> way.  I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not 
>>> to
>>> have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one.  
>>> How
>>> did that happen?  Too much trust and influence, IMHO.  There was
>>> nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good
>>> chair - people tend to forget you are human.
>>> 
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say 
>>>> the
>>>> fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen.  Nothing 
>>>> bad
>>>> was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious.  It was simply being
>>>> human.
>>>> 
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips at lp.org
>>>> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> And this is where we disagree.
>>>>> 
>>>>> BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely 
>>>>> pointless.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not 
>>>>> continue finger
>>>>> pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>> 
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM
>>>>> To: john.phillips at lp.org;
>>>>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" 
>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>> 
>>>>> And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos 
>>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were
>>>>>> inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos 
>>>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention 
>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips at lp.org
>>>>>>> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM
>>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>>>> Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips at lp.org;
>>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" 
>>>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to 
>>>>>>>> amend the
>>>>>>>> convention agenda as specified in our rules
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting 
>>>>>>>>> until 2022,
>>>>>>>>> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for 
>>>>>>>>> anything that may
>>>>>>>>> come up during the convention.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Sam Goldstein;
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That solves the problem that we - through our chair - 
>>>>>>>>> inadvertently
>>>>>>>>> (but still grievously) caused.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The delegates can take it up in 2020
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> PS: the official results will be announced shortly
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein 
>>>>>>>>> <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected 
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> means their term would end as per Bylaws.  I explicitly 
>>>>>>>>>> anticipated that.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via 
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, 
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would 
>>>>>>>>>>> play this role
>>>>>>>>>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial 
>>>>>>>>>>> Committee is
>>>>>>>>>>> elected, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of 
>>>>>>>>>>> this term.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>>>>>    list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> top-seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>    vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Convention as
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>    they were elected in the normal course of convention 
>>>>>>>>>>>> business and
>>>>>>>>>>>>    follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>    acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any 
>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>    affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tally of
>>>>>>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>>>>>>    In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary -
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - 
>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>    We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>    And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary 
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary 
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - 
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft



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