[Lnc-business] Discussion: feedback and moving forward.
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Aug 17 04:39:00 EDT 2018
It's absolutely an accurate assessment of what I saw in that group.
I just wonder if the comments in there will be scrubbed before it
becomes an open group.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-08-17 04:14, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Elizabeth, that is not a fair assessment. I prefer talking about options here on the email list but then we get treated to sarcastic comments about numbers of emails. Thus, I invited people to screenshot the discussions, figure out a way to have them openly viewable, or use another method such as a google drive. There is nothing I said there that I want to be hidden. I think an "open group" with limited posting abilities might accomplish that - Alex you might want to look into that. I am not at all keen on "secret" discussions.
>
> And it is not a bash anyone group unless the posts that say - John Phillips has been making are a bash LNC members posts. No one - not Nick - not me - not anyone is excluded from criticism. People were stating their opinions and none of them were things that have not been said openly. My sole comment on that was that I am disappointed in Nick on this issue. That is no secret - I told him that openly. I also did not see any LP members being bashed - I did see views being opposed.
>
> That being said, no one should have added you without your consent. I was "invited" and not added. I almost didn't accept the invitation but then decided if Alex wanted to start a good faith discussion, I would like to be involved.
>
> I encourage Alex to find a way to make this viewable.
>
> Have we ever considered a bbphp or vbulletin forum for workshopping?
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:54 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Alex, I was added to this "workshopping" group without being consulted, and this was after I had specifically written to you to say that I wasn't interested in working on resolutions.
>
> But, since I was added to that group, I looked around before leaving it, and am I'm disappointed to see that the group isn't just a working group for resolutions. But, is also a bad-mouthing LP members and Nick Sarwark group.
>
> Also, John Phillips, a closed group doesn't mean people outside the group can read what's written there. For that to happen it needs to be an "open group".
>
> It's very disappointing to see that our LNC members, some of which supposedly champion transparency, don't want LP members to see what's being written in an LNC group where resolutions are being written, and LP members being discussed. So, there's a "secret" group to keep on with the antics. I won't be party to it.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-08-16 12:51, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
> I've created this FB group only for us for workshopping, please join if
> you'd like help on this and other motions in this manner.
>
> [1]https://m.facebook.com/groups/306874133221625 [1]
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> On Aug 16, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Let's do it
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 00:49 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I am amenable to refining the current one to address issues such
> as
> brought up by Craig Bowden.
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:10 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair)
> via
> Lnc-business <[1][2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Dear LNC,
> As the vote for the motion on the table continues there is
> passionate voices on all sides. While this particular motion
> may
> fail the passions of those on both sides will not. I want to
> align
> focus on our candidates in these last few months of the
> election as
> much as possible but I do think from the response, that
> getting
> some
> statement passed will be necessary to put this behind us.
> What I invite is a discussion on the different wordings that
> have
> been seen so far. What can be done to make a statement we can
> proclaim as a unifying affirmation of principles. I think
> everyone
> in the body takes a moment to participate in this discussion
> we
> can
> develop something that we can be proud of that will move this
> moment
> forward.
> I know many of you have a lot on your plate, I know many of
> you
> are
> frustrated. Let's take moment see how we can
> I think a good start is with Elizabeths Revision to the Kibler
> wording if she can post that in a response. Please bear with
> me on
> this I'm confident we can find a way to satisfy the interest
> of
> all
> those involved with something they can point to and be proud
> of
> and
> campaign on and then put our 100% focus on the ground work of
> getting our candidates elected.
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [2]Caryn.Ann. [5]Harlos at LP.org or [6]Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [7]LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[3][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[4][9]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [5][10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
> References
> 1. [11]mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [12]mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. [13]mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. [14]mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. [15]mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. https://m.facebook.com/groups/306874133221625 [1]
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
> 6. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
> 7. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
> 8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 10. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 15. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
--
IN LIBERTY,
CARYN ANN HARLOS
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
_We defend your rights_
_And oppose the use of force_
_Taxation is theft_
Links:
------
[1] https://m.facebook.com/groups/306874133221625
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It's absolutely an accurate assessment of what I saw in that group.
I just wonder if the comments in there will be scrubbed before it
becomes an open group.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-08-17 04:14, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Elizabeth, that is not a fair assessment. I prefer talking about
options here on the email list but then we get treated to sarcastic
comments about numbers of emails. Thus, I invited people to screenshot
the discussions, figure out a way to have them openly viewable, or use
another method such as a google drive. There is nothing I said there
that I want to be hidden. I think an "open group" with limited posting
abilities might accomplish that - Alex you might want to look into
that. I am not at all keen on "secret" discussions.
And it is not a bash anyone group unless the posts that say - John
Phillips has been making are a bash LNC members posts. No one - not
Nick - not me - not anyone is excluded from criticism. People were
stating their opinions and none of them were things that have not been
said openly. My sole comment on that was that I am disappointed in
Nick on this issue. That is no secret - I told him that openly. I
also did not see any LP members being bashed - I did see views being
opposed.
That being said, no one should have added you without your consent. I
was "invited" and not added. I almost didn't accept the invitation but
then decided if Alex wanted to start a good faith discussion, I would
like to be involved.
I encourage Alex to find a way to make this viewable.
Have we ever considered a bbphp or vbulletin forum for workshopping?
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 11:54 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Alex, I was added to this "workshopping" group without being
consulted, and this was after I had specifically written to you to
say that I wasn't interested in working on resolutions.
But, since I was added to that group, I looked around before leaving
it, and am I'm disappointed to see that the group isn't just a
working group for resolutions. But, is also a bad-mouthing LP
members and Nick Sarwark group.
Also, John Phillips, a closed group doesn't mean people outside the
group can read what's written there. For that to happen it needs to
be an "open group".
It's very disappointing to see that our LNC members, some of which
supposedly champion transparency, don't want LP members to see
what's being written in an LNC group where resolutions are being
written, and LP members being discussed. So, there's a "secret"
group to keep on with the antics. I won't be party to it.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-08-16 12:51, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business
wrote:
I've created this FB group only for us for workshopping, please join
if
you'd like help on this and other motions in this manner.
[1][2]https://m.facebook.com/groups/306874133221625
Alex Merced
Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
On Aug 16, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
<[2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Let's do it
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 00:49 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I am amenable to refining the current one to address
issues such
as
brought up by Craig Bowden.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:10 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice
Chair)
via
Lnc-business <[1][2][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
As the vote for the motion on the table continues there
is
passionate voices on all sides. While this particular
motion
may
fail the passions of those on both sides will not. I
want to
align
focus on our candidates in these last few months of the
election as
much as possible but I do think from the response, that
getting
some
statement passed will be necessary to put this behind
us.
What I invite is a discussion on the different wordings
that
have
been seen so far. What can be done to make a statement
we can
proclaim as a unifying affirmation of principles. I
think
everyone
in the body takes a moment to participate in this
discussion
we
can
develop something that we can be proud of that will move
this
moment
forward.
I know many of you have a lot on your plate, I know many
of
you
are
frustrated. Let's take moment see how we can
I think a good start is with Elizabeths Revision to the
Kibler
wording if she can post that in a response. Please bear
with
me on
this I'm confident we can find a way to satisfy the
interest
of
all
those involved with something they can point to and be
proud
of
and
campaign on and then put our 100% focus on the ground
work of
getting our candidates elected.
Alex Merced
Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [2]Caryn.Ann. [5]Harlos at LP.org or [6]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
[7]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[3][8][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[4][9]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[5][10][7]richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300
References
1. [11]mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. [12]mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. [13]mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. [14]mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
5. [15]mailto:[12]richard.longstreth at lp.org
References
1. [13]https://m.facebook.com/groups/306874133221625
2. mailto:[14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:[15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[17]Harlos at LP.org
6. mailto:[18]Secretary at LP.org
7. mailto:[19]LPedia at LP.org
8. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:[21]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
10. mailto:[22]richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto:[23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. mailto:[24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:[25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. mailto:[26]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto:[27]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. https://m.facebook.com/groups/306874133221625
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
12. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
13. https://m.facebook.com/groups/306874133221625
14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
18. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
19. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
21. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
22. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
23. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
24. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
26. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
27. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
28. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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