[Lnc-business] Draft 9/29/18-9/30/18 Minutes (versions 3 and 3A)
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Nov 29 22:03:28 EST 2018
Thank you Alicia I will take a look - and yes those Word header breaks are
a bitch! I will OCR any future versions, good idea.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 7:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> <CAH> Note that although Ms. Mattson noted that my amendment to add
> "statement of principles" to the employment manual amendment discussion
> passed by a show of hands 13-0 in reviewing the recording it was
> without objection - no vote taken. </CAH>
> Ah, it looks like when I turned my hand-written notes into an email, I
> referenced the wrong sentence in that paragraph. The 13-0 total was on
> the final sentence of the paragraph, "The amended Mattson amendment
> PASSED by a show of hands" rather than on the prior sentence which was
> without objection, as you recorded.
> For the updated version of the minutes, I have only a couple of
> additional editorial notes for the main body:
> p. 9, the words "was added" seem to be missing to the sentence about
> adding 5 minutes to Mr. Hagan's report.
> p. 29, has duplicate wording back-to-back in the sentence, "The Merced
> amendment PASSED by a show of hands with a vote with a vote of 12-1."
> This is the first chance we've had to review the appendices in place.
> Appendix A lists both a dog as though he is a person, and a curse
> phrase nickname for one of the attendees.
> The Appendix G header reached back into the Appendix F section, so that
> both show as Appendix G. Word did that to me frequently, even after I
> had de-linked the headers between the two sections.
> Appendix F (Secretary's report) updated the co-sponsors on email ballot
> 2018-12, but Mr. Phillips is still missing from the co-sponsor email
> ballot 2018-15.
> The staff report is mangled in Appendix H. It starts with several
> copies of the first pages of the ED's report. The submissions from
> other staff members tend to show only the first page and then go back
> and repeat the first portion of the ED's report again.
> Appendix I seems to be missing page 2 of that report.
> For the benefit of my LNC colleagues, note that Appendix N (Historical
> Preservation Committee report) now is a 39 page document, though the
> version sent to us prior to the meeting was 12 pages. If you reviewed
> the previously sent one at the time, know that there is new material
> now.
> The manner used to assemble the appendices resulted in some of them no
> longer being text searchable and copy/paste-able. No need to spend the
> time to do it for the draft, but perhaps for the final version they
> could use the OCR treatment.
> -Alicia
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 6:14 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> [1] [icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3.pdf
> [x_8px.png]
> [2][icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3A.pdf
> [x_8px.png]
> Attached please find the latest draft minutes for the last
> meeting
> incorporating all feedback received so far received both on the
> list
> and by private email.
> This version contains other improvements as well:
> All the appendixes are included and are within the document
> structure
> itself so that every page has a consistent header and footer and
> the
> appendixes are included in the table of contents (which itself is
> a new
> addition not included in past minutes - when finalized I will
> make the
> table of contents "hot-linked" in the pdf so that any member can
> just
> click in the TOC and go right to the page - similarly to the
> upgrade I
> did with the Policy Manual.)
> Anticipating the LNC might want to include hand vote totals
> (though
> certainly not required by RONR) I have also attached an alternate
> version (version 3A) that includes that information. This
> information
> was not captured by me during the meeting and thus I do prefer
> NOT
> including it in these minutes but making it a practice for future
> minutes if that is what the LNC wishes. Note that although Ms.
> Mattson
> noted that my amendment to add "statement of principles" to the
> employment manual amendment discussion passed by a show of hands
> 13-0
> in reviewing the recording it was without objection - no vote
> taken.
> I had included them in my December minutes when I was acting pro
> tem
> but received feedback from former secretaries and LNC members
> that this
> information was not required and since it wasn't included for
> every
> hand vote that it created a consistency issue and a question why
> not
> noted for each vote and did not include in my July minutes. If
> the LNC
> wishes these to be included in the future, it is my position it
> needs
> for be done for every hand raise vote and not just here and
> there.
> A suggestion was made that this is some anti-transparency
> position that
> I inconsistently hold (and I wish good intentions would be
> presumed
> rather than bad), but it is not since numbers alone is not
> transparent
> - a roll call vote is and any member can ask for that at any
> time. It
> is the same reason that we do not grill members on "without
> objection"
> to determine if that means actual affirmative consent or passive
> consent.
> These past few days have been frustrating as it seems the minutes
> have
> become a political game. I would hope this is the last time (I
> hoped
> last time was). It is not serving anyone and is incredibly
> childish to
> observers. We are all professionals and all know how to
> excellently
> perform our jobs.
> I solicit feedback on this version prior to the meeting so that
> we are
> not using valuable meeting time on administrative tasks. The next
> set
> will be submitted ahead of the auto-approval date absent an
> unexpected
> medical situation- which unfortunately I cannot control.
> If anyone would like to be involved in the preparation or
> pre-review, I
> am more than glad to include you. I already utilize the wisdom
> and
> experience of former secretary Joe Dehn and former vice chair
> Chuck
> Moulton in my preparation process.
> --
> In Liberty,
> [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> at [4][2]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> ====================================================================
> ===
> ==
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> Re-Legalize
> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All
> Gun
> Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish
> The
> Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and
> Repeal
> the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
> Free-market
> Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools
> To
> The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [5][3]http://www.LP.org
>
> ====================================================================
> ===
> ==
> References
> 1.
> [4]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU
> /view?usp=drive_web
> 2.
> [5]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt
> /view?usp=drive_web
> 3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 4. [7]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 5. [8]http://www.lp.org/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 3. http://www.LP.org/
> 4.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU/view?usp=drive_web
> 5.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt/view?usp=drive_web
> 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 7. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 8. http://www.lp.org/
>
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *
*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
=========================================================================
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Thank you Alicia I will take a look - and yes those Word header breaks
are a bitch! I will OCR any future versions, good idea.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 7:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
<CAH> Note that although Ms. Mattson noted that my amendment to
add
"statement of principles" to the employment manual amendment
discussion
passed by a show of hands 13-0 in reviewing the recording it was
without objection - no vote taken. </CAH>
Ah, it looks like when I turned my hand-written notes into an
email, I
referenced the wrong sentence in that paragraph. The 13-0 total
was on
the final sentence of the paragraph, "The amended Mattson
amendment
PASSED by a show of hands" rather than on the prior sentence
which was
without objection, as you recorded.
For the updated version of the minutes, I have only a couple of
additional editorial notes for the main body:
p. 9, the words "was added" seem to be missing to the sentence
about
adding 5 minutes to Mr. Hagan's report.
p. 29, has duplicate wording back-to-back in the sentence, "The
Merced
amendment PASSED by a show of hands with a vote with a vote of
12-1."
This is the first chance we've had to review the appendices in
place.
Appendix A lists both a dog as though he is a person, and a curse
phrase nickname for one of the attendees.
The Appendix G header reached back into the Appendix F section,
so that
both show as Appendix G. Word did that to me frequently, even
after I
had de-linked the headers between the two sections.
Appendix F (Secretary's report) updated the co-sponsors on email
ballot
2018-12, but Mr. Phillips is still missing from the co-sponsor
email
ballot 2018-15.
The staff report is mangled in Appendix H. It starts with
several
copies of the first pages of the ED's report. The submissions
from
other staff members tend to show only the first page and then go
back
and repeat the first portion of the ED's report again.
Appendix I seems to be missing page 2 of that report.
For the benefit of my LNC colleagues, note that Appendix N
(Historical
Preservation Committee report) now is a 39 page document, though
the
version sent to us prior to the meeting was 12 pages. If you
reviewed
the previously sent one at the time, know that there is new
material
now.
The manner used to assemble the appendices resulted in some of
them no
longer being text searchable and copy/paste-able. No need to
spend the
time to do it for the draft, but perhaps for the final version
they
could use the OCR treatment.
-Alicia
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 6:14 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
[1] [icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3.pdf
[x_8px.png]
[2][icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3A.pdf
[x_8px.png]
Attached please find the latest draft minutes for the last
meeting
incorporating all feedback received so far received both on
the
list
and by private email.
This version contains other improvements as well:
All the appendixes are included and are within the document
structure
itself so that every page has a consistent header and footer
and
the
appendixes are included in the table of contents (which
itself is
a new
addition not included in past minutes - when finalized I
will
make the
table of contents "hot-linked" in the pdf so that any member
can
just
click in the TOC and go right to the page - similarly to the
upgrade I
did with the Policy Manual.)
Anticipating the LNC might want to include hand vote totals
(though
certainly not required by RONR) I have also attached an
alternate
version (version 3A) that includes that information. This
information
was not captured by me during the meeting and thus I do
prefer
NOT
including it in these minutes but making it a practice for
future
minutes if that is what the LNC wishes. Note that although
Ms.
Mattson
noted that my amendment to add "statement of principles" to
the
employment manual amendment discussion passed by a show of
hands
13-0
in reviewing the recording it was without objection - no
vote
taken.
I had included them in my December minutes when I was acting
pro
tem
but received feedback from former secretaries and LNC
members
that this
information was not required and since it wasn't included
for
every
hand vote that it created a consistency issue and a question
why
not
noted for each vote and did not include in my July minutes.
If
the LNC
wishes these to be included in the future, it is my position
it
needs
for be done for every hand raise vote and not just here and
there.
A suggestion was made that this is some anti-transparency
position that
I inconsistently hold (and I wish good intentions would be
presumed
rather than bad), but it is not since numbers alone is not
transparent
- a roll call vote is and any member can ask for that at any
time. It
is the same reason that we do not grill members on "without
objection"
to determine if that means actual affirmative consent or
passive
consent.
These past few days have been frustrating as it seems the
minutes
have
become a political game. I would hope this is the last time
(I
hoped
last time was). It is not serving anyone and is incredibly
childish to
observers. We are all professionals and all know how to
excellently
perform our jobs.
I solicit feedback on this version prior to the meeting so
that
we are
not using valuable meeting time on administrative tasks. The
next
set
will be submitted ahead of the auto-approval date absent an
unexpected
medical situation- which unfortunately I cannot control.
If anyone would like to be involved in the preparation or
pre-review, I
am more than glad to include you. I already utilize the
wisdom
and
experience of former secretary Joe Dehn and former vice
chair
Chuck
Moulton in my preparation process.
--
In Liberty,
[uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [4][2][3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
====================================================================
===
==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal
All
Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money *
Abolish
The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS
and
Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government
Schools
To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or
[5][3][4]http://www.LP.org
====================================================================
===
==
References
1.
[4][5]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKY
LaU
/view?usp=drive_web
2.
[5][6]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN
6Vt
/view?usp=drive_web
3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
4. [7][7]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
5. [8][8]http://www.lp.org/
References
1. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. [10]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
3. [11]http://www.LP.org/
4.
[12]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLa
U/view?usp=drive_web
5.
[13]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6V
t/view?usp=drive_web
6. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. [15]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
8. [16]http://www.lp.org/
--
In Liberty,
[uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [18]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=======================================================================
==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [19]http://www.LP.org
=======================================================================
==
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
4. http://www.LP.org/
5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU
6. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt
7. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
8. http://www.lp.org/
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
11. http://www.LP.org/
12. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU/view?usp=drive_web
13. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt/view?usp=drive_web
14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
16. http://www.lp.org/
17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
18. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
19. http://www.lp.org/
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