[Lnc-business] Draft 9/29/18-9/30/18 Minutes (versions 3 and 3A)

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Nov 29 22:03:28 EST 2018


Thank you Alicia I will take a look - and yes those Word header breaks are
a bitch!  I will OCR any future versions, good idea.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 7:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    <CAH> Note that although Ms. Mattson noted that my amendment to add
>    "statement of principles" to the employment manual amendment discussion
>    passed by a show of hands 13-0 in reviewing the recording it was
>    without objection - no vote taken. </CAH>
>    Ah, it looks like when I turned my hand-written notes into an email, I
>    referenced the wrong sentence in that paragraph.  The 13-0 total was on
>    the final sentence of the paragraph, "The amended Mattson amendment
>    PASSED by a show of hands" rather than on the prior sentence which was
>    without objection, as you recorded.
>    For the updated version of the minutes, I have only a couple of
>    additional editorial notes for the main body:
>    p. 9, the words "was added" seem to be missing to the sentence about
>    adding 5 minutes to Mr. Hagan's report.
>    p. 29, has duplicate wording back-to-back in the sentence, "The Merced
>    amendment PASSED by a show of hands with a vote with a vote of 12-1."
>    This is the first chance we've had to review the appendices in place.
>    Appendix A lists both a dog as though he is a person, and a curse
>    phrase nickname for one of the attendees.
>    The Appendix G header reached back into the Appendix F section, so that
>    both show as Appendix G.  Word did that to me frequently, even after I
>    had de-linked the headers between the two sections.
>    Appendix F (Secretary's report) updated the co-sponsors on email ballot
>    2018-12, but Mr. Phillips is still missing from the co-sponsor email
>    ballot 2018-15.
>    The staff report is mangled in Appendix H.  It starts with several
>    copies of the first pages of the ED's report.  The submissions from
>    other staff members tend to show only the first page and then go back
>    and repeat the first portion of the ED's report again.
>    Appendix I seems to be missing page 2 of that report.
>    For the benefit of my LNC colleagues, note that Appendix N (Historical
>    Preservation Committee report) now is a 39 page document, though the
>    version sent to us prior to the meeting was 12 pages.  If you reviewed
>    the previously sent one at the time, know that there is new material
>    now.
>    The manner used to assemble the appendices resulted in some of them no
>    longer being text searchable and copy/paste-able.  No need to spend the
>    time to do it for the draft, but perhaps for the final version they
>    could use the OCR treatment.
>    -Alicia
>
>    On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 6:14 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>         [1] [icon_10_generic_list.png]  2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3.pdf
>      [x_8px.png]
>         [2][icon_10_generic_list.png]  2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3A.pdf
>      [x_8px.png]
>         Attached please find the latest draft minutes for the last
>      meeting
>         incorporating all feedback received so far received both on the
>      list
>         and by private email.
>         This version contains other improvements as well:
>         All the appendixes are included and are within the document
>      structure
>         itself so that every page has a consistent header and footer and
>      the
>         appendixes are included in the table of contents (which itself is
>      a new
>         addition not included in past minutes - when finalized I will
>      make the
>         table of contents "hot-linked" in the pdf so that any member can
>      just
>         click in the TOC and go right to the page - similarly to the
>      upgrade I
>         did with the Policy Manual.)
>         Anticipating the LNC might want to include hand vote totals
>      (though
>         certainly not required by RONR) I have also attached an alternate
>         version (version 3A) that includes that information.  This
>      information
>         was not captured by me during the meeting and thus I do prefer
>      NOT
>         including it in these minutes but making it a practice for future
>         minutes if that is what the LNC wishes. Note that although Ms.
>      Mattson
>         noted that my amendment to add "statement of principles" to the
>         employment manual amendment discussion passed by a show of hands
>      13-0
>         in reviewing the recording it was without objection - no vote
>      taken.
>         I had included them in my December minutes when I was acting pro
>      tem
>         but received feedback from former secretaries and LNC members
>      that this
>         information was not required and since it wasn't included for
>      every
>         hand vote that it created a consistency issue and a question why
>      not
>         noted for each vote and did not include in my July minutes.  If
>      the LNC
>         wishes these to be included in the future, it is my position it
>      needs
>         for be done for every hand raise vote and not just here and
>      there.
>         A suggestion was made that this is some anti-transparency
>      position that
>         I inconsistently hold (and I wish good intentions would be
>      presumed
>         rather than bad), but it is not since numbers alone is not
>      transparent
>         - a roll call vote is and any member can ask for that at any
>      time.  It
>         is the same reason that we do not grill members on "without
>      objection"
>         to determine if that means actual affirmative consent or passive
>         consent.
>         These past few days have been frustrating as it seems the minutes
>      have
>         become a political game.  I would hope this is the last time (I
>      hoped
>         last time was).  It is not serving anyone and is incredibly
>      childish to
>         observers.  We are all professionals and all know how to
>      excellently
>         perform our jobs.
>         I solicit feedback on this version prior to the meeting so that
>      we are
>         not using valuable meeting time on administrative tasks. The next
>      set
>         will be submitted ahead of the auto-approval date absent an
>      unexpected
>         medical situation- which unfortunately I cannot control.
>         If anyone would like to be involved in the preparation or
>      pre-review, I
>         am more than glad to include you.  I already utilize the wisdom
>      and
>         experience of former secretary Joe Dehn and former vice chair
>      Chuck
>         Moulton in my preparation process.
>         --
>           In Liberty,
>         [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
>         Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>         - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>         Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>         Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
>         at [4][2]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
>      ====================================================================
>      ===
>         ==
>         Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>      Re-Legalize
>         All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All
>      Gun
>         Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish
>      The
>         Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and
>      Repeal
>         the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
>      Free-market
>         Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools
>      To
>         The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
>         VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [5][3]http://www.LP.org
>
>      ====================================================================
>      ===
>         ==
>      References
>         1.
>      [4]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU
>      /view?usp=drive_web
>         2.
>      [5]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt
>      /view?usp=drive_web
>         3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>         4. [7]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>         5. [8]http://www.lp.org/
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>    3. http://www.LP.org/
>    4.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU/view?usp=drive_web
>    5.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt/view?usp=drive_web
>    6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    7. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>    8. http://www.lp.org/
>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
=========================================================================
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   Thank you Alicia I will take a look - and yes those Word header breaks
   are a bitch!  I will OCR any future versions, good idea.

   On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 7:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        <CAH> Note that although Ms. Mattson noted that my amendment to
     add
        "statement of principles" to the employment manual amendment
     discussion
        passed by a show of hands 13-0 in reviewing the recording it was
        without objection - no vote taken. </CAH>
        Ah, it looks like when I turned my hand-written notes into an
     email, I
        referenced the wrong sentence in that paragraph.  The 13-0 total
     was on
        the final sentence of the paragraph, "The amended Mattson
     amendment
        PASSED by a show of hands" rather than on the prior sentence
     which was
        without objection, as you recorded.
        For the updated version of the minutes, I have only a couple of
        additional editorial notes for the main body:
        p. 9, the words "was added" seem to be missing to the sentence
     about
        adding 5 minutes to Mr. Hagan's report.
        p. 29, has duplicate wording back-to-back in the sentence, "The
     Merced
        amendment PASSED by a show of hands with a vote with a vote of
     12-1."
        This is the first chance we've had to review the appendices in
     place.
        Appendix A lists both a dog as though he is a person, and a curse
        phrase nickname for one of the attendees.
        The Appendix G header reached back into the Appendix F section,
     so that
        both show as Appendix G.  Word did that to me frequently, even
     after I
        had de-linked the headers between the two sections.
        Appendix F (Secretary's report) updated the co-sponsors on email
     ballot
        2018-12, but Mr. Phillips is still missing from the co-sponsor
     email
        ballot 2018-15.
        The staff report is mangled in Appendix H.  It starts with
     several
        copies of the first pages of the ED's report.  The submissions
     from
        other staff members tend to show only the first page and then go
     back
        and repeat the first portion of the ED's report again.
        Appendix I seems to be missing page 2 of that report.
        For the benefit of my LNC colleagues, note that Appendix N
     (Historical
        Preservation Committee report) now is a 39 page document, though
     the
        version sent to us prior to the meeting was 12 pages.  If you
     reviewed
        the previously sent one at the time, know that there is new
     material
        now.
        The manner used to assemble the appendices resulted in some of
     them no
        longer being text searchable and copy/paste-able.  No need to
     spend the
        time to do it for the draft, but perhaps for the final version
     they
        could use the OCR treatment.
        -Alicia
        On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 6:14 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
        <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
             [1] [icon_10_generic_list.png]  2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3.pdf
          [x_8px.png]
             [2][icon_10_generic_list.png]  2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3A.pdf
          [x_8px.png]
             Attached please find the latest draft minutes for the last
          meeting
             incorporating all feedback received so far received both on
     the
          list
             and by private email.
             This version contains other improvements as well:
             All the appendixes are included and are within the document
          structure
             itself so that every page has a consistent header and footer
     and
          the
             appendixes are included in the table of contents (which
     itself is
          a new
             addition not included in past minutes - when finalized I
     will
          make the
             table of contents "hot-linked" in the pdf so that any member
     can
          just
             click in the TOC and go right to the page - similarly to the
          upgrade I
             did with the Policy Manual.)
             Anticipating the LNC might want to include hand vote totals
          (though
             certainly not required by RONR) I have also attached an
     alternate
             version (version 3A) that includes that information.  This
          information
             was not captured by me during the meeting and thus I do
     prefer
          NOT
             including it in these minutes but making it a practice for
     future
             minutes if that is what the LNC wishes. Note that although
     Ms.
          Mattson
             noted that my amendment to add "statement of principles" to
     the
             employment manual amendment discussion passed by a show of
     hands
          13-0
             in reviewing the recording it was without objection - no
     vote
          taken.
             I had included them in my December minutes when I was acting
     pro
          tem
             but received feedback from former secretaries and LNC
     members
          that this
             information was not required and since it wasn't included
     for
          every
             hand vote that it created a consistency issue and a question
     why
          not
             noted for each vote and did not include in my July minutes.
     If
          the LNC
             wishes these to be included in the future, it is my position
     it
          needs
             for be done for every hand raise vote and not just here and
          there.
             A suggestion was made that this is some anti-transparency
          position that
             I inconsistently hold (and I wish good intentions would be
          presumed
             rather than bad), but it is not since numbers alone is not
          transparent
             - a roll call vote is and any member can ask for that at any
          time.  It
             is the same reason that we do not grill members on "without
          objection"
             to determine if that means actual affirmative consent or
     passive
             consent.
             These past few days have been frustrating as it seems the
     minutes
          have
             become a political game.  I would hope this is the last time
     (I
          hoped
             last time was).  It is not serving anyone and is incredibly
          childish to
             observers.  We are all professionals and all know how to
          excellently
             perform our jobs.
             I solicit feedback on this version prior to the meeting so
     that
          we are
             not using valuable meeting time on administrative tasks. The
     next
          set
             will be submitted ahead of the auto-approval date absent an
          unexpected
             medical situation- which unfortunately I cannot control.
             If anyone would like to be involved in the preparation or
          pre-review, I
             am more than glad to include you.  I already utilize the
     wisdom
          and
             experience of former secretary Joe Dehn and former vice
     chair
          Chuck
             Moulton in my preparation process.
             --
               In Liberty,

     [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
             Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
     Secretary
             - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
             Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
             Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
             at [4][2][3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

     ====================================================================
          ===
             ==
             Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
          Re-Legalize
             All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal
     All
          Gun
             Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money *
     Abolish
          The
             Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS
     and
          Repeal
             the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
          Free-market
             Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government
     Schools
          To
             The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
             VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or
     [5][3][4]http://www.LP.org

     ====================================================================
          ===
             ==
          References
             1.

     [4][5]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKY
     LaU
          /view?usp=drive_web
             2.

     [5][6]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN
     6Vt
          /view?usp=drive_web
             3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
             4. [7][7]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
             5. [8][8]http://www.lp.org/
     References
        1. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        2. [10]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
        3. [11]http://www.LP.org/
        4.
     [12]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLa
     U/view?usp=drive_web
        5.
     [13]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6V
     t/view?usp=drive_web
        6. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        7. [15]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
        8. [16]http://www.lp.org/

   --

     In Liberty,
   [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
   Secretary - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
   at [18]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   =======================================================================
   ==
   Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
   All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
   Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
   Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
   the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
   Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
   The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
   VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [19]http://www.LP.org
   =======================================================================
   ==

References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   4. http://www.LP.org/
   5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU
   6. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt
   7. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   8. http://www.lp.org/
   9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  10. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  11. http://www.LP.org/
  12. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU/view?usp=drive_web
  13. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt/view?usp=drive_web
  14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  15. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  16. http://www.lp.org/
  17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  18. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  19. http://www.lp.org/


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