[Lnc-business] Agenda in Phoenix
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Jul 21 11:34:01 EDT 2018
=== Given that the LNC voted against acknowledging the election of the top
7,===
the LNC has zero authority to acknowledge or to not acknowledge, THAT is a
renegade action
==I wouldn't consider the Secretary's promise to adopt anything
submitted by the top 7 to be appropriate action.===
I can't adopt anything. And I didn't "promise" - I stated what I would do
absent contrary direction.
==But since it wouldn't
have the endorsement of the LNC either, it would be a renegade action.===
Even though it is a great Styx song, since the LNC has zero authority to
approve or disapprove the identity of the JC, I cannot claim that title.
==
Equity is the application of the common law for resolving disputes
between parties. It's not a magic term for avoiding bylaws and rules in
political party governance.==
Funny, General Robert saw it differently.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> I don't think I used the word magic. I do think the issues are this:
>
> 1. The LNC has zero say in who the JC is or is not.
> 2. The delegates never intended to have no JC
>
> Our Bylaws do not anticipate this and thus are not the solution.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> OOPS, I apologize for hijacking another thread on this subject. I
>> really need to quit using my phone for email.
>> Other than that, I have made my points, rest my case, and unless there
>> is a motion on the subject, pretty well done with it. Motions I would
>> support -
>>
>> 1 round of email balloting to approve or disapprove of the top 7, JC
>> recommendation, however you want to phrase it. I would reiterate that
>> I would like this to be ONLY the people credentialed at the close, as
>> people who de-credentialed before that knowingly gave up their votes
>> and should not magically get a new one.
>> or
>>
>> Accepting the recommendation/ruling of the JC previous or the self
>> declared - though I would prefer previous. Careful phrasing in this
>> case to acknowledge that we are simply stating that we accept that
>> ruling/recommendation, not that we are making a ruling ourselves. I
>> guess this would be more of a resolution?
>> The JC declaring themselves has unfortunately taken away from us the
>> option to do nothing and let it ride to 2020. They have forced the
>> issue. While I am not fond of their phrasing, I can not argue with
>> their intent. So sitting on the fence is no longer an option. If
>> someone has an different idea than the 2 I suggested, I would consider
>> them, but my main concern would be quickness of resolution. If someone
>> wants to move that we do not recognize them, and hold that the office
>> is vacant until 2020, I will oppose that and volunteer to write a
>> minority report on the decision if it passes. However at this point
>> the entire party is looking for AN ANSWER, and it is our job to give
>> one. I reiterate, sitting on our asses and doing nothing is no longer
>> an option imho.
>> I will not make a motion myself, as I am not versed enough in writing
>> them at this time. Also the fact that I would support either of the
>> other two, slight preference to the second, but I see the value in the
>> first.
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On 7/21/2018 8:33 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> What John expressed was an EQUITABLE action, not an action in LAW. to
>> use the legal analogy.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>> You nailed it.
>> Money quotes:
>> ===Most importantly it was unanimously and unambiguously
>> expressed that having NO JC was never anyone's intent or desire, and
>> that needed to be fixed somehow.===
>> == C) having no JC is most definitely a violation of the SPIRIT and
>> intent
>> of those rules abd the people who drafted them.
>> D) again, we are Libertarians and being able to recognize rules and
>> laws that failed, then do something about it is who we are! Or at
>> least
>> supposed to be.===
>> One correction: I am amenable to many different email options, not
>> just a multi-round vote.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 7:30 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Elizabeth-
>> =="rob people of it's right"==
>> It is what happened. It doesn't require a design to do so.
>> ===Nor, is there a right to force members to accept breaking the
>> bylaws. ===
>> Put the decision to them since it is *their* rights being affected.
>> ==equity: the quality of being fair and impartial.==
>> I am using the legal definitions: [3]https://patch.com
>> /florida/templeterrace/court-of-law-vs-court-of-equity-why-
>> it-matters-to-you-9
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 7:10 AM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
>> <[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Elizabeth, by all means, represent what you feel is the will of
>> your
>> region, just as I am doing.
>> The only part of my reply specifically directed at you was the
>> first
>> 2 paragraphs, which only addressed your statement about the
>> legalities.
>> *for those tired of reading on this subject, it is about to get
>> TLDR,
>> skip to the end or just skip if you like*
>> Having said that, I did receive several responses echoing your
>> statement regarding those legality/rules issues. However, those
>> same
>> replies also expressed dissatisfaction in the results. They
>> responded
>> that while those MAY represent the rules, they could see multiple
>> interpretations. Most importantly it was unanimously and
>> unambiguously
>> expressed that having NO JC was never anyone's intent or desire,
>> and
>> that needed to be fixed somehow.
>> I also feel compelled to point out that those same thoughts have
>> been
>> echoed to me from Libertarian friends across the country,
>> including a
>> large number in your region where I have many friends and family.
>> While this response has not been unanimous, it has been far more
>> than
>> those who support the rules saying no JC, and again most
>> importantly
>> even those who agree with that interpretation follow up with that
>> not
>> being their intent or desire. The ones I reached out to were all
>> delegates, and I received lots of voluntary input from others.
>> I even agree that is a possible interpretation of the rules. 100%
>> correct that on the surface the rules can be read that way.
>> However, I
>> also point out we are way beyond those rules as there are:
>> A) other interpretations
>> B) the very real interpretation that we also have to take into
>> account
>> that those rules never took this situation into account
>> C) having no JC is most definitely a violation of the SPIRIT and
>> intent
>> of those rules abd the people who drafted them.
>> D) again, we are Libertarians and being able to recognize rules
>> and
>> laws that failed, then do something about it is who we are! Or at
>> least
>> supposed to be.
>> The intent and desire to have a JC has been close to unanimous,
>> excepting a few hardcore anarchists who would vote NOTA on almost
>> everything. As has the desire to get it done and move on. The
>> only
>> debate has been method. The largest # I have seen has supported
>> some
>> wording or other of taking top 7 with or without LNC approval.
>> A smaller # tho still significant likes an email ballot (tho very
>> few
>> want multiple rounds to reach a majority as per Ms Harlos'
>> suggestion,
>> most want just one round with take top 7 or no JC as the
>> options). Most
>> from region 1.
>> The no JC at all # does exist, mostly from 8, 5, and 3.
>> A very large percentage want us to just shut up and let it ride
>> with
>> the JC's recommendation/decision. From all over.
>> Did I poll every delegate? No, but well over 400 directly or
>> watching
>> their interactions on the subject.
>> So all that being TLDR. I stand by my stance, not just in my
>> region,
>> but nationally. I will accept the JC that has formed (however
>> you want
>> to phrase it coming about) and abide by their rulings.
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: Elizabeth Van Horn
>> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 11:11 PM
>> To: Richard Longstreth;
>> Cc: [2][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org[3];[6]john.phillips at lp.org;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Agenda in Phoenix
>>
>> I'd replied to John Phillips, he's the Region 6 rep.
>> Also, I've already stated my position. I'd wanted to have the LNC
>> approve the top seven, I co-sponsored that motion. Only, when took
>> the
>> discussion to my region, multiple members, including officers, state
>> chairs, VCs, etc, of Region 3 were adamant that under our bylaws
>> there's no JC, and no way to get one. Me stating this on the LNC
>> email
>> list is just that, me stating what my region has said, and wants.
>> I've no idea why you're making comments about "do not turn this
>> personal"?? I've said nothing personal. Don't project onto me.
>> What I have done is point out that another regional rep isn't
>> speaking
>> for my region.
>> As for my reply to the LNC Secretary, the same. An officer has a
>> particular role, otherwise, they have one vote, same as anyone on
>> the
>> LNC. The LNC secretary asked people to confer with the registered
>> parliamentarian, and I have, and I've also read his views on this
>> subject. I went through the bylaws carefully, and got feedback from
>> an
>> officer in my own state affiliate, officers from the other state
>> affiliates in my region, etc. My statements are the result of
>> listening to the members in my region. I've done due diligence on
>> this
>> issue. I've not going to take the time to listen to my region, and
>> then
>> ignore them.
>> My representation and advocacy is for my region.
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>> On [4]2018-07-20 18:10, Richard Longstreth wrote:
>> My Region says that the Top 7 should be and we should move on. We
>> cannot simply "You do your region, and I'll do mine."
>> First off, the person you said that to is an Officer. Therefore, her
>> Region in is the entirety of membership and she IS expressing her
>> thoughts from her 'region'. Your words give off the air of flippancy
>> and are borderline offensive to me as one whom the comments were not
>> directed toward. This is not how we should be interacting as
>> officers
>> and certainly not a way to advance the Party. We need to work
>> together,
>> not have an attitude of every region for themselves.
>> Secondly, there is a difference between our Regions, EVH. Mine says
>> that the Top 7 are the JC yours says that we don't have a JC. Both
>> situations cannot exist simultaneously and this NEEDS to be resolved
>> and finalized for all members. I cannot tell my states that a JC
>> exists
>> for Region 1 but not for Region 3; that is absurd.
>> Finally, I have dropped this discussion if we acknowledge that the
>> JC
>> exists and is the Top 7 - something I abstained from orginally, but
>> see
>> as the only logical solution going forward. If not, we need to
>> discuss
>> this further which is the will of neither of our regions or that of
>> the
>> general membership. Most want to move on from the issue. The LNC as
>> a
>> body did not approve the Top 7. The former JC came up with a
>> solution
>> and that is to put the Top 7 in place. If we, as an LNC or Regional
>> Representative do not acknowledge that solution we are creating a
>> deep
>> divide in the Party.
>> Thoughts? Please do not turn this personal. I want to work with you
>> to
>> find a resolution that suits all parties involved.
>> Richard
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via
>> Lnc-business
>> <[5][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> I was in favor of the LNC approving the top seven JC
>> candidates.
>> But,
>> my region isn't, and leadership has let me know that they
>> think
>> there's
>> no JC.
>> I'm not sure what you're going on about. I'm not arguing.
>> Nor, am
>> I
>> doing anything, other than stating what my region thinks.
>> You do your region, and I'll do mine.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> [1][6][8]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>
>> On [7]2018-07-20 13:26, [8][9]john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
>> Shrug. If I wanted to take it to a court of law I would have a
>> 50/50
>> shot imho, and that of the 8 lawyers I asked to look at it.
>> Some
>> of
>> them thought they could win maybe 70%.
>> So i would say the argument for them being the JC is as good as
>> the
>> argument against.
>> However, the vast majority seem to want them from what I see,
>> so
>> I fail
>> to see the issue that people keep making of this. Just accept
>> it
>> and
>> move on, it is what we should have done from the beginning.
>> On a personal note. Are we not Libertarians? I find the
>> arguments of
>> rules and legality disturbingly dogmatic. We argue all the
>> time
>> about
>> changing bad laws and rules that have created a problem, but
>> when
>> it
>> comes down to our rules failing we can't adjust? Seems sort of
>> hypocritical to me, actually far more than sort of.
>> So my stance is this. I stand opposed to anything that
>> continues
>> to
>> drag this out. I stand opposed to anything other than
>> accepting
>> the
>> recommendation of the previous JC and what appears to me to be
>> the will
>> of vast majority of our constituents. The correct route in my
>> not so
>> humble opinion is that we accept them, get the hell out of the
>> way,
>> move on, and hope we don't need them like the last LNC didn't.
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>
>> Cell [2][9]217-412-5973
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>> Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 11:32 AM
>> To: Caryn Ann Harlos;
>> Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn[3];[10][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Agenda in Phoenix
>> They can disagree all they want. But, there's no authority
>> for
>> them.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> On [4][11]2018-07-20 11:08, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > There's a JC presently electing its chair that disagrees.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 8:24 AM Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>> >
>> >> There's no JC, so no resolution can be made.
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >>
>> >> On [5][12]2018-07-20 08:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> >>> It seems that the JC took it upon itself to resolve - it is
>> up
>> to the
>> >>> membership to complain about that if they wish. I submit
>> we
>> simply
>> >>> go
>> >>> on about our jobs and stay out of it.
>> >>> -Caryn Ann
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:22 AM, Richard Longstreth via
>> Lnc-business
>>
>> >>> <[1[6]][13][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I am assuming that JC will be an agenda item in Phoenix. If
>> >>> not,
>> >>> could
>> >>> we please add it? If not, are we done with that discussion and
>> >>> simply
>> >>> not having a JC or what are the next points of discussion? I
>> >>> want
>> >>> to
>> >>> fully resolve this issue the best we can and move forward. I
>> >>> abstained
>> >>> last vote to approve but my mind is still not settled.
>> >>> There is no good solution here, but one of may state chairs
>> put
>> >>> very
>> >>> simply:
>> >>> "I find this whole debacle with process to be detrimental and
>> >>> don't
>> >>> really care one way or the other how it pans out. Nobody is
>> >>> going
>> >>> to be
>> >>> 100% on this as is evidenced by the gridlock on some of the
>> >>> first
>> >>> true
>> >>> membership affecting votes from the LNC."
>> >>> We need to resolve and move forward.
>> >>> Richard
>> >>> --
>> >>> Richard Longstreth
>> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
>> >>> WA,
>> >>> WY)
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> >>> [1][2[7]][14][12]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> [8][15]931.538.9300
>> >>> References
>> >>> 1. mailto:[3[9]][16][13]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> --
>> >>> In Liberty,
>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> >>> - [4][10][17]Caryn.Ann.[11][18] [14]Harlos at LP.org
>> or[12][19]
>> [15]Secretary at LP.org.
>> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[13][20]
>> [16]LPedia at LP.org
>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> >>> We defend your rights
>> >>> And oppose the use of force
>> >>> Taxation is theft
>> >>>
>> >>> References
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. mailto[14]:[21][17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>> 2. mailto[15]:[22][18]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> 3. mailto[16]:[23][19]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> 4. mailto[17][24]:Caryn.Ann.Harlo[20]s at LP.org
>> > --
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > IN LIBERTY,
>> > CARYN ANN HARLOS
>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary -
>> [18][25]Caryn.Ann
>> .[19][26] [21]Harlos at LP.org or[20][27] [22]Secretary at LP.org.
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[21][28]
>> [23]LPedia at LP.org
>> >
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > _We defend your rights_
>> > _And oppose the use of force_
>> > _Taxation is theft_
>> They can disagree all they want. But, there's no authority
>> for
>> them.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> On [22][29]2018-07-20 11:08, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> There's a JC presently electing its chair that disagrees.
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 8:24 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> <[1[23]][30][24]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> There's no JC, so no resolution can be made.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> On [24][31]2018-07-20 08:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> > It seems that the JC took it upon itself to resolve - it
>> is
>> up to
>> the
>> > membership to complain about that if they wish. I
>> submit
>> we
>> simply
>> > go
>> > on about our jobs and stay out of it.
>> > -Caryn Ann
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:22 AM, Richard Longstreth
>> via
>> Lnc-business
>>
>> > <[1][2[25]][32][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am assuming that JC will be an agenda item in
>> Phoenix.
>> If
>> > not,
>> > could
>> > we please add it? If not, are we done with that
>> discussion
>> and
>> > simply
>> > not having a JC or what are the next points of
>> discussion?
>> I
>> > want
>> > to
>> > fully resolve this issue the best we can and move
>> forward.
>> I
>> > abstained
>> > last vote to approve but my mind is still not
>> settled.
>> > There is no good solution here, but one of may
>> state
>> chairs put
>> > very
>> > simply:
>> > "I find this whole debacle with process to be
>> detrimental
>> and
>> > don't
>> > really care one way or the other how it pans out.
>> Nobody
>> is
>> > going
>> > to be
>> > 100% on this as is evidenced by the gridlock on
>> some
>> of
>> the
>> > first
>> > true
>> > membership affecting votes from the LNC."
>> > We need to resolve and move forward.
>> > Richard
>> > --
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM,
>> OR,
>> HI,
>> UT,
>> > WA,
>> > WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> > [1][2][3[26]][33][26]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > [27][34]931.538.9300
>> > References
>> > 1. mailto:[3][4[28]][35][27]richard.l
>> ongstreth at lp.org
>> >
>> > --
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> > - [4][29][36]Caryn.Ann.[30][37] [28]Harlos at LP.org
>> or[31][38]
>> [29]Secretary at LP.org.
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[32][39]
>> [30]LPedia at LP.org
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:[5[33]][40][31]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 2. mailto:[6[34]][41][32]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 3. mailto:[7[35]][42][33]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 4. mailto:[8[36][43]]Caryn.Ann.Ha[34]rlos at LP.org
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> - [9][37][44]Caryn.Ann.[38][45] [35]Harlos at LP.org or[39][46]
>> [36]Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[40][47]
>> [37]LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto[41]:[48][38]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 2. mailto[42]:[49][39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto[43]:[50][40]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 4. mailto[44]:[51][41]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 5. mailto[45]:[52][42]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto[46]:[53][43]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 7. mailto[47]:[54][44]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 8. mailto[48][55]:Caryn.Ann.Harlo[45]s at LP.org
>> 9. mailto[49][56]:Caryn.Ann.Harlo[46]s at LP.org
>> References
>> 1. [57][47]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 2. tel:[58]217-412-5973
>> 3. mailto:;[59][48]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. tel:[60]2018-07-20 11
>> 5. tel:[61]2018-07-20 08
>> 6. mailto:][62][49]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 7. mailto:][63][50]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 8. tel:[64]931.538.9300
>> 9. mailto:][65][51]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 10. [66][52]http://Caryn.An/
>> 11. mailto:[67] [53]Harlos at LP.org
>> 12. mailto:[68] [54]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 13. mailto:[69] [55]LPedia at LP.org
>> 14. mailto::[70][56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 15. mailto::[71][57]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 16. mailto::[72][58]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 17. mailto:[73]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 18. [74][59]http://Caryn.An/
>> 19. mailto:[75] [60]Harlos at LP.org
>> 20. mailto:[76] [61]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 21. mailto:[77] [62]LPedia at LP.org
>> 22. tel:[78]2018-07-20 11
>> 23. mailto:][79][63]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 24. tel:[80]2018-07-20 08
>> 25. mailto:][81][64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 26. mailto:][82][65]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 27. tel:[83]931.538.9300
>> 28. mailto:][84][66]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 29. [85][67]http://Caryn.An/
>> 30. mailto:[86] [68]Harlos at LP.org
>> 31. mailto:[87] [69]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 32. mailto:[88] [70]LPedia at LP.org
>> 33. mailto:][89][71]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 34. mailto:][90][72]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 35. mailto:][91][73]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 36. mailto:[92]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 37. [93][74]http://Caryn.An/
>> 38. mailto:[94] [75]Harlos at LP.org
>> 39. mailto:[95] [76]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 40. mailto:[96] [77]LPedia at LP.org
>> 41. mailto::[97][78]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 42. mailto::[98][79]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 43. mailto::[99][80]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 44. mailto::[100][81]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 45. mailto::[101][82]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 46. mailto::[102][83]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 47. mailto::[103][84]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 48. mailto:[104]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 49. mailto:[105]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> --
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [106][85]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> [107]931.538.9300
>> References
>> 1. [86]tel:217-412-5973
>> 2. mailto:[87]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:;[88]john.phillips at lp.org
>> 4. [89]tel:2018-07-20 18
>> 5. mailto:[90]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. [91]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 7. [92]tel:2018-07-20 13
>> 8. mailto:[93]john.phillips at lp.org
>> 9. [94]tel:217-412-5973
>> 10. mailto:[95]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 11. [96]tel:2018-07-20 11
>> 12. [97]tel:2018-07-20 08
>> 13. mailto:[98]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 14. mailto:[99]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 15. [100]tel:931.538.9300
>> 16. mailto:[101]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 17. [102]http://Caryn.An/
>> 18. mailto: [103]Harlos at LP.org
>> 19. mailto: [104]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 20. mailto: [105]LPedia at LP.org
>> 21. mailto:[106]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 22. mailto:[107]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 23. mailto:[108]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 25. [110]http://Caryn.An/
>> 26. mailto: [111]Harlos at LP.org
>> 27. mailto: [112]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 28. mailto: [113]LPedia at LP.org
>> 29. [114]tel:2018-07-20 11
>> 30. mailto:[115]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 31. [116]tel:2018-07-20 08
>> 32. mailto:[117]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 33. mailto:[118]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 34. [119]tel:931.538.9300
>> 35. mailto:[120]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 36. [121]http://Caryn.An/
>> 37. mailto: [122]Harlos at LP.org
>> 38. mailto: [123]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 39. mailto: [124]LPedia at LP.org
>> 40. mailto:[125]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 41. mailto:[126]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 42. mailto:[127]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 43. [128]mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 44. [129]http://Caryn.An/
>> 45. mailto: [130]Harlos at LP.org
>> 46. mailto: [131]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 47. mailto: [132]LPedia at LP.org
>> 48. mailto:[133]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 49. mailto:[134]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 50. mailto:[135]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 51. mailto:[136]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 52. mailto:[137]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 53. mailto:[138]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 54. mailto:[139]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 55. [140]mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 56. [141]mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 57. [142]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
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>> 59. mailto:[144]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 60. [145]tel:2018-07-20 11
>> 61. [146]tel:2018-07-20 08
>> 62. mailto:[147]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 63. mailto:[148]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 64. [149]tel:(931) 538-9300
>> 65. mailto:[150]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 66. [151]http://Caryn.An/
>> 67. mailto: [152]Harlos at LP.org
>> 68. mailto: [153]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 69. mailto: [154]LPedia at LP.org
>> 70. mailto:[155]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 71. mailto:[156]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 72. mailto:[157]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 73. [158]mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 74. [159]http://Caryn.An/
>> 75. mailto: [160]Harlos at LP.org
>> 76. mailto: [161]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 77. mailto: [162]LPedia at LP.org
>> 78. [163]tel:2018-07-20 11
>> 79. mailto:[164]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 80. [165]tel:2018-07-20 08
>> 81. mailto:[166]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 82. mailto:[167]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 83. [168]tel:(931) 538-9300
>> 84. mailto:[169]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 85. [170]http://Caryn.An/
>> 86. mailto: [171]Harlos at LP.org
>> 87. mailto: [172]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 88. mailto: [173]LPedia at LP.org
>> 89. mailto:[174]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 90. mailto:[175]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 91. mailto:[176]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 92. [177]mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 93. [178]http://Caryn.An/
>> 94. mailto: [179]Harlos at LP.org
>> 95. mailto: [180]Secretary at LP.org.
>> 96. mailto: [181]LPedia at LP.org
>> 97. mailto:[182]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 98. mailto:[183]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 99. mailto:[184]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 100. mailto:[185]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 101. mailto:[186]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 102. mailto:[187]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 103. mailto:[188]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 104. [189]mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 105. [190]mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 106. mailto:[191]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 107. [192]tel:931.538.9300
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [193]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or [194]Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [195]LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [196]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or [197]Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [198]LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [199]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or [200]Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [201]LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. https://patch.com/florida/templeterrace/court-of-law-vs-cour
>> t-of-equity-why-it-matters-to-you-9
>> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>> 7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>> 66. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 73. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 74. http://Caryn.An/
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>> 85. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 86. tel:217-412-5973
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>> 89. tel:2018-07-20
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>> 92. tel:2018-07-20
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>> 94. tel:217-412-5973
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>> 106. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 107. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 108. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 110. http://Caryn.An/
>> 111. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
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>> 119. tel:931.538.9300
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>> 121. http://Caryn.An/
>> 122. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>> 123. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
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>> 125. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 126. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 127. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 129. http://Caryn.An/
>> 130. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
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>> 132. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
>> 133. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 134. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 135. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 136. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 137. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 138. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 139. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 141. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
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>> 143. tel:(217)
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>> 149. tel:(931)
>> 150. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 153. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
>> 154. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
>> 155. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 156. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 157. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 159. http://Caryn.An/
>> 160. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>> 161. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
>> 162. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
>> 163. tel:2018-07-20
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>> 165. tel:2018-07-20
>> 166. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 167. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 168. tel:(931)
>> 169. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 170. http://Caryn.An/
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>> 172. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
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>> 174. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 175. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 176. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> 178. http://Caryn.An/
>> 179. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
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>> 181. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
>> 182. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 183. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 184. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 185. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 186. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 187. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 188. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 189. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
>> 190. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
>> 191. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 192. tel:931.538.9300
>> 193. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 194. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
>> 195. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
>> 196. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 197. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
>> 198. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
>> 199. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 200. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
>> 201. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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=== Given that the LNC voted against acknowledging the election of the
top
7,===
the LNC has zero authority to acknowledge or to not acknowledge, THAT
is a renegade action
==I wouldn't consider the Secretary's promise to adopt anything
submitted by the top 7 to be appropriate action.===
I can't adopt anything. And I didn't "promise" - I stated what I would
do absent contrary direction.
==But since it wouldn't
have the endorsement of the LNC either, it would be a renegade
action.===
Even though it is a great Styx song, since the LNC has zero authority
to approve or disapprove the identity of the JC, I cannot claim that
title.
==
Equity is the application of the common law for resolving disputes
between parties. It's not a magic term for avoiding bylaws and rules
in
political party governance.==
Funny, General Robert saw it differently.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I don't think I used the word magic. I do think the issues are this:
1. The LNC has zero say in who the JC is or is not.
2. The delegates never intended to have no JC
Our Bylaws do not anticipate this and thus are not the solution.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 8:46 AM, John Phillips via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
OOPS, I apologize for hijacking another thread on this subject. I
really need to quit using my phone for email.
Other than that, I have made my points, rest my case, and unless
there
is a motion on the subject, pretty well done with it. Motions I
would
support -
1 round of email balloting to approve or disapprove of the top 7, JC
recommendation, however you want to phrase it. I would reiterate
that
I would like this to be ONLY the people credentialed at the close,
as
people who de-credentialed before that knowingly gave up their votes
and should not magically get a new one.
or
Accepting the recommendation/ruling of the JC previous or the self
declared - though I would prefer previous. Careful phrasing in this
case to acknowledge that we are simply stating that we accept that
ruling/recommendation, not that we are making a ruling ourselves. I
guess this would be more of a resolution?
The JC declaring themselves has unfortunately taken away from us the
option to do nothing and let it ride to 2020. They have forced the
issue. While I am not fond of their phrasing, I can not argue with
their intent. So sitting on the fence is no longer an option. If
someone has an different idea than the 2 I suggested, I would
consider
them, but my main concern would be quickness of resolution. If
someone
wants to move that we do not recognize them, and hold that the
office
is vacant until 2020, I will oppose that and volunteer to write a
minority report on the decision if it passes. However at this point
the entire party is looking for AN ANSWER, and it is our job to give
one. I reiterate, sitting on our asses and doing nothing is no
longer
an option imho.
I will not make a motion myself, as I am not versed enough in
writing
them at this time. Also the fact that I would support either of the
other two, slight preference to the second, but I see the value in
the
first.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
On 7/21/2018 8:33 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
What John expressed was an EQUITABLE action, not an action in LAW.
to
use the legal analogy.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
John,
You nailed it.
Money quotes:
===Most importantly it was unanimously and unambiguously
expressed that having NO JC was never anyone's intent or
desire, and
that needed to be fixed somehow.===
== C) having no JC is most definitely a violation of the SPIRIT
and
intent
of those rules abd the people who drafted them.
D) again, we are Libertarians and being able to recognize
rules and
laws that failed, then do something about it is who we are! Or
at
least
supposed to be.===
One correction: I am amenable to many different email options,
not
just a multi-round vote.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 7:30 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Elizabeth-
=="rob people of it's right"==
It is what happened. It doesn't require a design to do so.
===Nor, is there a right to force members to accept breaking the
bylaws. ===
Put the decision to them since it is *their* rights being
affected.
==equity: the quality of being fair and impartial.==
I am using the legal definitions: [3][5]https://patch.com
/florida/templeterrace/court-of-law-vs-court-of-equity-why-
it-matters-to-you-9
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 7:10 AM, john.phillips--- via
Lnc-business
<[4][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Elizabeth, by all means, represent what you feel is the will of
your
region, just as I am doing.
The only part of my reply specifically directed at you was
the
first
2 paragraphs, which only addressed your statement about the
legalities.
*for those tired of reading on this subject, it is about to get
TLDR,
skip to the end or just skip if you like*
Having said that, I did receive several responses echoing your
statement regarding those legality/rules issues. However,
those
same
replies also expressed dissatisfaction in the results. They
responded
that while those MAY represent the rules, they could see
multiple
interpretations. Most importantly it was unanimously and
unambiguously
expressed that having NO JC was never anyone's intent or
desire,
and
that needed to be fixed somehow.
I also feel compelled to point out that those same thoughts
have
been
echoed to me from Libertarian friends across the country,
including a
large number in your region where I have many friends and
family.
While this response has not been unanimous, it has been far
more
than
those who support the rules saying no JC, and again most
importantly
even those who agree with that interpretation follow up with
that
not
being their intent or desire. The ones I reached out to were
all
delegates, and I received lots of voluntary input from others.
I even agree that is a possible interpretation of the rules.
100%
correct that on the surface the rules can be read that way.
However, I
also point out we are way beyond those rules as there are:
A) other interpretations
B) the very real interpretation that we also have to take into
account
that those rules never took this situation into account
C) having no JC is most definitely a violation of the SPIRIT
and
intent
of those rules abd the people who drafted them.
D) again, we are Libertarians and being able to recognize rules
and
laws that failed, then do something about it is who we are! Or
at
least
supposed to be.
The intent and desire to have a JC has been close to unanimous,
excepting a few hardcore anarchists who would vote NOTA on
almost
everything. As has the desire to get it done and move on. The
only
debate has been method. The largest # I have seen has supported
some
wording or other of taking top 7 with or without LNC approval.
A smaller # tho still significant likes an email ballot (tho
very
few
want multiple rounds to reach a majority as per Ms Harlos'
suggestion,
most want just one round with take top 7 or no JC as the
options). Most
from region 1.
The no JC at all # does exist, mostly from 8, 5, and 3.
A very large percentage want us to just shut up and let it ride
with
the JC's recommendation/decision. From all over.
Did I poll every delegate? No, but well over 400 directly or
watching
their interactions on the subject.
So all that being TLDR. I stand by my stance, not just in my
region,
but nationally. I will accept the JC that has formed (however
you want
to phrase it coming about) and abide by their rulings.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Elizabeth Van Horn
Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 11:11 PM
To: Richard Longstreth;
Cc: [2][5][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org[3
];[6][8]john.phillips at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Agenda in Phoenix
I'd replied to John Phillips, he's the Region 6 rep.
Also, I've already stated my position. I'd wanted to have the
LNC
approve the top seven, I co-sponsored that motion. Only, when
took
the
discussion to my region, multiple members, including officers,
state
chairs, VCs, etc, of Region 3 were adamant that under our bylaws
there's no JC, and no way to get one. Me stating this on the LNC
email
list is just that, me stating what my region has said, and wants.
I've no idea why you're making comments about "do not turn this
personal"?? I've said nothing personal. Don't project onto me.
What I have done is point out that another regional rep isn't
speaking
for my region.
As for my reply to the LNC Secretary, the same. An officer has a
particular role, otherwise, they have one vote, same as anyone on
the
LNC. The LNC secretary asked people to confer with the
registered
parliamentarian, and I have, and I've also read his views on this
subject. I went through the bylaws carefully, and got feedback
from
an
officer in my own state affiliate, officers from the other state
affiliates in my region, etc. My statements are the result of
listening to the members in my region. I've done due diligence
on
this
issue. I've not going to take the time to listen to my region,
and
then
ignore them.
My representation and advocacy is for my region.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On [4]2018-07-20 18:10, Richard Longstreth wrote:
My Region says that the Top 7 should be and we should move on. We
cannot simply "You do your region, and I'll do mine."
First off, the person you said that to is an Officer. Therefore,
her
Region in is the entirety of membership and she IS expressing her
thoughts from her 'region'. Your words give off the air of
flippancy
and are borderline offensive to me as one whom the comments were
not
directed toward. This is not how we should be interacting as
officers
and certainly not a way to advance the Party. We need to work
together,
not have an attitude of every region for themselves.
Secondly, there is a difference between our Regions, EVH. Mine
says
that the Top 7 are the JC yours says that we don't have a JC.
Both
situations cannot exist simultaneously and this NEEDS to be
resolved
and finalized for all members. I cannot tell my states that a JC
exists
for Region 1 but not for Region 3; that is absurd.
Finally, I have dropped this discussion if we acknowledge that
the
JC
exists and is the Top 7 - something I abstained from orginally,
but
see
as the only logical solution going forward. If not, we need to
discuss
this further which is the will of neither of our regions or that
of
the
general membership. Most want to move on from the issue. The LNC
as
a
body did not approve the Top 7. The former JC came up with a
solution
and that is to put the Top 7 in place. If we, as an LNC or
Regional
Representative do not acknowledge that solution we are creating a
deep
divide in the Party.
Thoughts? Please do not turn this personal. I want to work with
you
to
find a resolution that suits all parties involved.
Richard
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via
Lnc-business
<[5][7][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I was in favor of the LNC approving the top seven JC
candidates.
But,
my region isn't, and leadership has let me know that
they
think
there's
no JC.
I'm not sure what you're going on about. I'm not
arguing.
Nor, am
I
doing anything, other than stating what my region
thinks.
You do your region, and I'll do mine.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[1][6][8][10]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On [7]2018-07-20 13:26, [8][9][11]john.phillips at lp.org
wrote:
Shrug. If I wanted to take it to a court of law I would
have a
50/50
shot imho, and that of the 8 lawyers I asked to look at it.
Some
of
them thought they could win maybe 70%.
So i would say the argument for them being the JC is as good
as
the
argument against.
However, the vast majority seem to want them from what I
see,
so
I fail
to see the issue that people keep making of this. Just
accept
it
and
move on, it is what we should have done from the beginning.
On a personal note. Are we not Libertarians? I find the
arguments of
rules and legality disturbingly dogmatic. We argue all the
time
about
changing bad laws and rules that have created a problem, but
when
it
comes down to our rules failing we can't adjust? Seems sort
of
hypocritical to me, actually far more than sort of.
So my stance is this. I stand opposed to anything that
continues
to
drag this out. I stand opposed to anything other than
accepting
the
recommendation of the previous JC and what appears to me to
be
the will
of vast majority of our constituents. The correct route in
my
not so
humble opinion is that we accept them, get the hell out of
the
way,
move on, and hope we don't need them like the last LNC
didn't.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [2][9]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 11:32 AM
To: Caryn Ann Harlos;
Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn[3];[10][10][12]lnc-business at h
q.lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Agenda in Phoenix
They can disagree all they want. But, there's no authority
for
them.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On [4][11]2018-07-20 11:08, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> There's a JC presently electing its chair that disagrees.
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 8:24 AM Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>
>> There's no JC, so no resolution can be made.
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>> On [5][12]2018-07-20 08:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
wrote:
>>> It seems that the JC took it upon itself to resolve - it
is
up
to the
>>> membership to complain about that if they wish. I submit
we
simply
>>> go
>>> on about our jobs and stay out of it.
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:22 AM, Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
>>> <[1[6]][13][11][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am assuming that JC will be an agenda item in Phoenix. If
>>> not,
>>> could
>>> we please add it? If not, are we done with that discussion
and
>>> simply
>>> not having a JC or what are the next points of discussion?
I
>>> want
>>> to
>>> fully resolve this issue the best we can and move forward.
I
>>> abstained
>>> last vote to approve but my mind is still not settled.
>>> There is no good solution here, but one of may state chairs
put
>>> very
>>> simply:
>>> "I find this whole debacle with process to be detrimental
and
>>> don't
>>> really care one way or the other how it pans out. Nobody is
>>> going
>>> to be
>>> 100% on this as is evidenced by the gridlock on some of the
>>> first
>>> true
>>> membership affecting votes from the LNC."
>>> We need to resolve and move forward.
>>> Richard
>>> --
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
>>> WA,
>>> WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [1][2[7]][14][12][14]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [8][15]931.538.9300
>>> References
>>> 1. mailto:[3[9]][16][13][15]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
>>> - [4][10][17]Caryn.Ann.[11][18] [14]Harlos at LP.org
or[12][19]
[15]Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[13][20]
[16]LPedia at LP.org
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto[14]:[21][17][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 2. mailto[15]:[22][18][17]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 3. mailto[16]:[23][19][18]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 4. mailto[17][24]:Caryn.Ann.Harlo[20]s at LP.org
> --
>
> --
>
> IN LIBERTY,
> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
[18][25]Caryn.Ann
.[19][26] [21]Harlos at LP.org or[20][27]
[22]Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[21][28]
[23]LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> _We defend your rights_
> _And oppose the use of force_
> _Taxation is theft_
They can disagree all they want. But, there's no
authority
for
them.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On [22][29]2018-07-20 11:08, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
There's a JC presently electing its chair that
disagrees.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 8:24 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1[23]][30][24][19]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
There's no JC, so no resolution can be made.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On [24][31]2018-07-20 08:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
wrote:
> It seems that the JC took it upon itself to resolve
- it
is
up to
the
> membership to complain about that if they wish.
I
submit
we
simply
> go
> on about our jobs and stay out of it.
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:22 AM, Richard
Longstreth
via
Lnc-business
> <[1][2[25]][32][25][20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I am assuming that JC will be an agenda item in
Phoenix.
If
> not,
> could
> we please add it? If not, are we done with that
discussion
and
> simply
> not having a JC or what are the next points of
discussion?
I
> want
> to
> fully resolve this issue the best we can and
move
forward.
I
> abstained
> last vote to approve but my mind is still not
settled.
> There is no good solution here, but one of may
state
chairs put
> very
> simply:
> "I find this whole debacle with process to be
detrimental
and
> don't
> really care one way or the other how it pans
out.
Nobody
is
> going
> to be
> 100% on this as is evidenced by the gridlock on
some
of
the
> first
> true
> membership affecting votes from the LNC."
> We need to resolve and move forward.
> Richard
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM,
OR,
HI,
UT,
> WA,
> WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [1][2][3[26]][33][26][21]richard.
longstreth at lp.org
> [27][34]931.538.9300
> References
> 1. mailto:[3][4[28]][35][27]richard.l
[22]ongstreth at lp.org
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
Committee
Secretary
> - [4][29][36]Caryn.Ann.[30][37]
[28]Harlos at LP.org
or[31][38]
[29]Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
-[32][39]
[30]LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[5[33]][40][31][23]lnc-busi
ness at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[6[34]][41][32][24]richard.
longstreth at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[7[35]][42][33][25]richard.
longstreth at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[8[36][43]]Caryn.Ann.Ha[34]rlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [9][37][44]Caryn.Ann.[38][45] [35]Harlos at LP.org
or[39][46]
[36]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[40][47]
[37]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto[41]:[48][38][26]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. mailto[42]:[49][39][27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto[43]:[50][40][28]richard.longstreth at lp.org
4. mailto[44]:[51][41][29]richard.longstreth at lp.org
5. mailto[45]:[52][42][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto[46]:[53][43][31]richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto[47]:[54][44][32]richard.longstreth at lp.org
8. mailto[48][55]:Caryn.Ann.Harlo[45]s at LP.org
9. mailto[49][56]:Caryn.Ann.Harlo[46]s at LP.org
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43. mailto::[99][80][54]richard.longstreth at lp.org
44. mailto::[100][81][55]richard.longstreth at lp.org
45. mailto::[101][82][56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
46. mailto::[102][83][57]richard.longstreth at lp.org
47. mailto::[103][84][58]richard.longstreth at lp.org
48. mailto:[104]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
49. mailto:[105]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[106][85][59]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[107]931.538.9300
References
1. [86]tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:[87][60]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:;[88][61]john.phillips at lp.org
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5. mailto:[90][62]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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98. mailto:[183][110]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
99. mailto:[184][111]richard.longstreth at lp.org
100. mailto:[185][112]richard.longstreth at lp.org
101. mailto:[186][113]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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106. mailto:[191][116]richard.longstreth at lp.org
107. [192]tel:931.538.9300
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [193]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or [194]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [195]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [196]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or [197]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [198]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [199]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or [200]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [201]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[117]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:[118]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. [119]https://patch.com/florida/temp
leterrace/court-of-law-vs-court-of-equity-why-it-matters-to-you-9
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7. mailto:[123]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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10. mailto:[126]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto:[127]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. mailto:[128]richard.longstreth at lp.org
13. mailto:[129]richard.longstreth at lp.org
14. mailto:[130]Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto:[131]Secretary at LP.org
16. mailto:[132]LPedia at LP.org
17. mailto:[133]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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20. mailto:[136]s at LP.org
21. mailto:[137]Harlos at LP.org
22. mailto:[138]Secretary at LP.org
23. mailto:[139]LPedia at LP.org
24. mailto:[140]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
25. mailto:[141]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
26. mailto:[142]richard.longstreth at lp.org
27. mailto:[143]richard.longstreth at lp.org
28. mailto:[144]Harlos at LP.org
29. mailto:[145]Secretary at LP.org
30. mailto:[146]LPedia at LP.org
31. mailto:[147]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
32. mailto:[148]richard.longstreth at lp.org
33. mailto:[149]richard.longstreth at lp.org
34. mailto:[150]rlos at LP.org
35. mailto:[151]Harlos at LP.org
36. mailto:[152]Secretary at LP.org
37. mailto:[153]LPedia at LP.org
38. mailto:[154]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
39. mailto:[155]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
40. mailto:[156]richard.longstreth at lp.org
41. mailto:[157]richard.longstreth at lp.org
42. mailto:[158]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
43. mailto:[159]richard.longstreth at lp.org
44. mailto:[160]richard.longstreth at lp.org
45. mailto:[161]s at LP.org
46. mailto:[162]s at LP.org
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48. mailto:[164]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
49. mailto:[165]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
50. mailto:[166]richard.longstreth at lp.org
51. mailto:[167]richard.longstreth at lp.org
52. [168]http://Caryn.An/
53. mailto:[169]Harlos at LP.org
54. mailto:[170]Secretary at LP.org
55. mailto:[171]LPedia at LP.org
56. mailto:[172]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
57. mailto:[173]richard.longstreth at lp.org
58. mailto:[174]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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60. mailto:[176]Harlos at LP.org
61. mailto:[177]Secretary at LP.org
62. mailto:[178]LPedia at LP.org
63. mailto:[179]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
64. mailto:[180]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
65. mailto:[181]richard.longstreth at lp.org
66. mailto:[182]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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68. mailto:[184]Harlos at LP.org
69. mailto:[185]Secretary at LP.org
70. mailto:[186]LPedia at LP.org
71. mailto:[187]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
72. mailto:[188]richard.longstreth at lp.org
73. mailto:[189]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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76. mailto:[192]Secretary at LP.org
77. mailto:[193]LPedia at LP.org
78. mailto:[194]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
79. mailto:[195]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
80. mailto:[196]richard.longstreth at lp.org
81. mailto:[197]richard.longstreth at lp.org
82. mailto:[198]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
83. mailto:[199]richard.longstreth at lp.org
84. mailto:[200]richard.longstreth at lp.org
85. mailto:[201]richard.longstreth at lp.org
86. tel:217-412-5973
87. mailto:[202]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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89. tel:2018-07-20
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94. tel:217-412-5973
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96. tel:2018-07-20
97. tel:2018-07-20
98. mailto:[208]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
99. mailto:[209]richard.longstreth at lp.org
100. tel:931.538.9300
101. mailto:[210]richard.longstreth at lp.org
102. [211]http://Caryn.An/
103. mailto:[212]Harlos at LP.org
104. mailto:[213]Secretary at LP.org
105. mailto:[214]LPedia at LP.org
106. mailto:[215]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
107. mailto:[216]richard.longstreth at lp.org
108. mailto:[217]richard.longstreth at lp.org
109. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
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111. mailto:[219]Harlos at LP.org
112. mailto:[220]Secretary at LP.org
113. mailto:[221]LPedia at LP.org
114. tel:2018-07-20
115. mailto:[222]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
116. tel:2018-07-20
117. mailto:[223]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
118. mailto:[224]richard.longstreth at lp.org
119. tel:931.538.9300
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123. mailto:[228]Secretary at LP.org
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125. mailto:[230]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
126. mailto:[231]richard.longstreth at lp.org
127. mailto:[232]richard.longstreth at lp.org
128. mailto:[233]mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
129. [234]http://Caryn.An/
130. mailto:[235]Harlos at LP.org
131. mailto:[236]Secretary at LP.org
132. mailto:[237]LPedia at LP.org
133. mailto:[238]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
134. mailto:[239]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
135. mailto:[240]richard.longstreth at lp.org
136. mailto:[241]richard.longstreth at lp.org
137. mailto:[242]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
138. mailto:[243]richard.longstreth at lp.org
139. mailto:[244]richard.longstreth at lp.org
140. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
141. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
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143. tel:(217)
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145. tel:2018-07-20
146. tel:2018-07-20
147. mailto:[247]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
148. mailto:[248]richard.longstreth at lp.org
149. tel:(931)
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154. mailto:[253]LPedia at LP.org
155. mailto:[254]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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165. tel:2018-07-20
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168. tel:(931)
169. mailto:[264]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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172. mailto:[267]Secretary at LP.org
173. mailto:[268]LPedia at LP.org
174. mailto:[269]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
175. mailto:[270]richard.longstreth at lp.org
176. mailto:[271]richard.longstreth at lp.org
177. mailto:[272]mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
178. [273]http://Caryn.An/
179. mailto:[274]Harlos at LP.org
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182. mailto:[277]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
183. mailto:[278]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
184. mailto:[279]richard.longstreth at lp.org
185. mailto:[280]richard.longstreth at lp.org
186. mailto:[281]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
187. mailto:[282]richard.longstreth at lp.org
188. mailto:[283]richard.longstreth at lp.org
189. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
190. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.or
191. mailto:[284]richard.longstreth at lp.org
192. tel:931.538.9300
193. mailto:[285]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
194. mailto:[286]Secretary at LP.org
195. mailto:[287]LPedia at LP.org
196. mailto:[288]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
197. mailto:[289]Secretary at LP.org
198. mailto:[290]LPedia at LP.org
199. mailto:[291]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
200. mailto:[292]Secretary at LP.org
201. mailto:[293]LPedia at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [294]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [295]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
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