[Lnc-business] Corrections – Re: LP Action Needed

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Jan 12 22:37:38 EST 2018


Thanks Starchild, I'm not sure where all this lists are.  (reflector?)
But, will try to figure it out. 

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Elizabeth Van Horn 

On 2018-01-12 22:41, Starchild wrote:

> Elizabeth, 
> 
> The original correspondence was sent to a bunch of LNC members as individuals. If you did not receive the original letter, it's probably because the sender was working from an older list of LNC members that did not include you. When I receive messages on which lots of LNC members are copied, I generally respond to the senders and copy the LNC email list (rather than the "cc" list which may be missing some members, and which won't be seen by people reading the reflector list or the archives), for transparency purposes. 
> 
> Love & Liberty, 
> 
> ((( starchild ))) 
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee 
> RealReform at earthlink.net 
> (415) 625-FREE 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote: 
> 
> I only see this as Starchild replied.  Did the incoming communication go to an old LNC list?  As none of this came through to my inbox.  
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> 
> On 2018-01-12 22:08, Starchild wrote: 
> 
> In the message below, I misnamed an LP committee - the correct name is the Employment Policy & Compensation Committee. What I said there was also poorly worded; I was not suggesting the members of that committee should necessarily remind staff to be mindful of their public comments, but just posting that suggestion on my own behalf in the knowledge that our executive director who directly manages staff reads this list.  
> 
> Also in another recent message responding to several members who wrote with concerns about post(s?) made by LP vice chair Arvin Vohra, I inadvertently left one of those members, Michelle MacCutcheon, off the recipient list. Fortunately she managed to receive my message via some other route. 
> 
> Love & Liberty, 
> 
> ((( starchild ))) 
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee 
> RealReform at earthlink.net 
> (415) 625-FREE 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Starchild wrote: 
> 
> Adam and Ben, 
> 
> Thank you for writing to members of the Libertarian National Committee and sharing your concerns. In the email from you Ben, I see a message below from a Cara Schulz - we have a Candidate Recruiting Specialist by that name on staff (see https://www.lp.org/staff/). Is this the message to which you are referring Adam, or are there others? 
> 
> On the face of it, this would seem to me to be a very questionable comment for an LP staffer to make about one of our candidates. On the other hand, it's not clear to me where this comment appeared. If it was made on behalf of the LP, or in a Libertarian Party forum, that would I think be much more objectionable than if it was simply a staffer speaking her opinion as an individual, outside of her role in working for the party. There is a fine line to walk, I think, between seeking to avoid LP staff unfairly slandering our candidates on one hand, and respecting their right to free speech under their own names on the other. I don't recall offhand what staff rules or the LNC Policy Manual may say on this topic, but I would encourage members of the Employee Compensation Committee to look into the matter, and remind staff to be mindful when speaking in public forums that what you say may be taken by some to reflect on your employer the Libertarian Party. 
> 
> Thank both of you again for bringing the matter to our attention, and for your efforts on behalf of the Libertarian Party and the cause of freedom. We definitely need more Libertarian candidates who are willing to actively run for public office on a radically libertarian message, and I appreciate you for doing this Adam, as well as for your courage in repeatedly sticking your neck out for the libertarian cause by engaging in pro-freedom civil disobedience at significant risk to your own life and liberty. Anyone who does these things is a hero in my book. 
> 
> Love & Liberty, 
> 
> ((( starchild ))) 
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee 
> RealReform at earthlink.net 
> (415) 625-FREE 
> 
> P.S. - I would like to add for the record that the Libertarian Party in no way condones the initiation of force, in domestic relationships or otherwise. We also champion the principle of innocent until proven guilty. In light of these occasionally conflicting values, we must all seek to be shrewd and fair judges of character, weighing carefully our reactions to rumors or reports that we may hear secondhand about other people's alleged actions, and looking for overall patterns of behavior, integrity and values when forming our opinions about people and regulating our personal speech and conduct toward them. 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Ben Farmer wrote: <image1.png> 
> 
> Libertas Perfundet Omnia Luce, 
> 
> Ben Farmer 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 6:22 AM, Brett Bittner <brett.bittner at lp.org> wrote:
> 
> Mr. Kokesh, 
> 
> I no longer serve on the National Committee, and I was unaware that I was still receiving e-mails at this address until now. Please remove me from the distribution list for any further discussion, as I can take no action. 
> 
> Brett C. Bittner 
> 
> (former) Region 3 Representative  
> Libertarian National Committee [1] 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:58 AM, Adam Kokesh <adam at thefreedomline.com> wrote:
> 
> Cc'ed here.  
> 
> On Jan 9, 2018 10:57 PM, "Adam Kokesh" <adam at thefreedomline.com> wrote:
> 
> Tim, 
> 
> It was Angela Fisher Owens and Ben Farmer who brought this to my attention. They are cc'ed here, will share the relevant screen shots, and are willing to answer any questions for any investigation.  
> 
> Peace and love, 
> 
> Adam
> 
> I did not see the screenshots you're referring to. Can you please send me links to where national staff publicly defamed candidates?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 
> Show quoted text 
> 
> On Jan 9, 2018 4:56 PM, "Adam Kokesh" <adam at thefreedomline.com> wrote:
> 
> I have just been shown some disturbing screenshots of Libertarian Party [2] national staff publicly defaming LP candidates. We are never going to succeed as a party if the official staff position is, "Come be a candidate for the LP, but if we don't like you, we'll trash your reputation with lies!" We can, and need to be better as a party and stand united on the principles of freedom. The national party staff needs to be held to at least basic standards of integrity. The National Chair (Nicholas Sarwark [3]) should investigate this conduct, fire anyone who actively works against party unity, and issue official retractions if needed. If we tolerate groundless divisiveness, it will be too easy for our enemies to tear us apart. If we don't hang together ...
> 
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