[Lnc-business] Motion to suspend Arvin Vohra

[Nicholas Sarwark]

"I have stated my preference for an electronic meeting.  I also said
in that email that this is the second time this has come up, and it
needs a full hearing.  Since then, I have read emails from Ms. Harlos
and from Mr. Sharpe which have called some of my beliefs on this topic
into question.  I still am strongly inclined to vote no, but I have
been convinced that consideration is due.  I believe motions get
clearer and better consideration when they are actually pending -
there is a difference, psychologically, between speaking in general,
and speaking on a precise motion.  (On a side note, I agree with Ms.
Harlos that this motion would be better if it specified the cause,
although I do not think this is necessary.)  Therefore, I will
cosponsor."

Are you co-sponsoring the email ballot or joining in the call for an
electronic meeting?

"However, I am cosponsoring on the following understanding, and I ask
the Secretary to correct me if my understanding is incorrect.
According to RONR, the maker of a motion may not speak against it in
debate (but may vote against it), but the seconder may speak against
it in debate.  Our email ballots generally list everyone who wished to
see the motion, the original maker and the cosponsors, as
"cosponsors."  That notwithstanding, it is my understanding that a
cosponsor is in the position of a seconder and may speak in debate
against the motion."

I agree with this interpretation that your co-sponsorship of a motion
for an email ballot would not prevent you from speaking against the
motion in the email ballot during debate.

-Nick

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have stated my preference for an electronic meeting.  I also said in that
> email that this is the second time this has come up, and it needs a full
> hearing.  Since then, I have read emails from Ms. Harlos and from Mr. Sharpe
> which have called some of my beliefs on this topic into question.  I still
> am strongly inclined to vote no, but I have been convinced that
> consideration is due.  I believe motions get clearer and better
> consideration when they are actually pending - there is a difference,
> psychologically, between speaking in general, and speaking on a precise
> motion.  (On a side note, I agree with Ms. Harlos that this motion would be
> better if it specified the cause, although I do not think this is
> necessary.)  Therefore, I will cosponsor.
>
> However, I am cosponsoring on the following understanding, and I ask the
> Secretary to correct me if my understanding is incorrect.  According to
> RONR, the maker of a motion may not speak against it in debate (but may vote
> against it), but the seconder may speak against it in debate.  Our email
> ballots generally list everyone who wished to see the motion, the original
> maker and the cosponsors, as "cosponsors."  That notwithstanding, it is my
> understanding that a cosponsor is in the position of a seconder and may
> speak in debate against the motion.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:52 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I make a motion to suspend Arvin Vohra from his position as Vice Chair
>> under Article 6, Section 7 of our Bylaws.
>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Three of the four state affiliate chairs in Region 3 are now backing this
>> motion. I told Region 3 that I'd need at least 3/4 of the region in accord
>> to make the motion to suspend Arvin.  That percent was reached last night.
>>
>> When I volunteered my time and energy to be a Regional Rep on the LNC, I
>> didn't do it under the circumstances of, "only if convenient".
>>
>> I'm doing this because I care about giving a voice to the many LP members
>> who are running for office, getting out the vote, and spending their
>> hard-earned money working toward electing libertarians.
>>
>> These are the people that make up the Libertarian Party. It is their voice
>> that I represent.
>>
>> So, it is with calm resolve that I make this motion.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>
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