[Lnc-business] FYI

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jan 18 16:55:23 EST 2018


Wow.  Exhibit B.




On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:03 PM Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:

>    1. Is there a bylaws demanding empathy? Nope.
>    2. Is there some objective reason to believe that political
>    effectiveness requires empathy? Nope.
>    3. Has empathy held our movement back, in that it leads people to
>    refuse to speak out against things like government school use, and
>    focus on things that are nice, like issues no one on earth, including
>    most libertarians, know about or care about? Yes.
>    Here's some perspective: If we succeed in our stated platform goals, we
>    will be putting millions of government employees out of work. Sure, the
>    total number of jobs may increase, but those specific people will be
>    unemployed. They may face major life changes. Note that we'll also be
>    getting rid of welfare and government employment insurance. People
>    accustomed to upper middle class life will face major changes, often
>    downgrades.
>    Strength of will, willingness to accept the suffering of those who
>    collaborated with the state, is what is required to see that through.
>    Want to see the results of empathy? Take a look at our last
>    presidential candidate's response to a mother's incompetence, and her
>    son's bad decisionmaking. We need less empathy, not more, for this
>    movement to do what it needs to.
>    Respectfully,
>    Arvin Vohra
>    Vice Chair
>    Libertarian National Committee
>
>    On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>    <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
>         Correct.
>         There is an utter refusal to realize this isn’t about a perfect
>         philosophical point.
>         It is about basic judgment.  A shred of empathy and
>      consideration.
>         Your continued behavior is convincing people.
>         Enough already.
>         And Daniel is right.  You will just ratchet up.
>         I don’t consent.
>
>       On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:28 AM <[1][2]erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>         I agree with Mr. Hayes on this. I have been relatively silent
>         throughout
>         this "ordeal" all the while sitting in consideration of all
>    "sides".
>         At
>         this point,enough is enough.
>         On 2018-01-18 11:20, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>         > Arvin,
>         >
>         >    I have been a staunch “NO” on your removal.  It was not
>    because
>         I
>         > think
>         >    there should be no government involvement in age of consent
>         because
>         > I
>         >    do think there needs to be some line in the sand on that
>         issue.  My
>         >    strong reluctance has been because it potentially chills the
>         speech
>         > of
>         >    this board’s members which should be somewhat bold advocating
>         for
>         >    Liberty.  It’s never a good outcome when members of a board
>         vote to
>         >    remove their peers.  We don’t want our governance of the
>         > organization
>         >    between conventions to be a circular firing squad. We also
>         don’t
>         > want
>         >    to encourage overall members to know that if they exaggerate
>         and
>         >    mischaracterize what someone they don’t agree with says and
>         then
>         > jump
>         >    up and down enough, they can have them removed. Then there is
>         the
>         > fact
>         >    that I personally like you.
>         >
>         >    All of that said, you just don’t recognize that we are a
>         POLITICAL
>         >    PARTY.  This is not about finding the exact right
>    philosophical
>         >    argument.  We are also dealing with people’s emotions here.
>         You
>         > are
>         >    still arguing the academic point. This is not about that.
>    It’s
>         >    ultimately about your lack of empathy to others on this
>    board,
>         > others
>         >    running for office, and others in the Party and others that
>         have
>         > been
>         >    victims of child sexual abuse.   You say families and culture
>         should
>         >    stop it.   The sad reality is it is usually a family member
>         that is
>         > the
>         >    abuser or a trusted friend of the family or a trusted
>    cultural
>         > member
>         >    of their community like a church leader.  That is why we need
>         SOME
>         > law
>         >    that makes a line in the sand.  Then we need to be more
>         diligent as
>         > a
>         >    society and make greater use of jury nullification when the
>    law
>         is
>         >    abused as well as hold legislators to task.  That said this
>    is
>         a
>         >    sensitive issue and you just don’t show any sensitivity.
>         >
>         >    It is your latest attempt to sway minds on the LNC that has
>         swayed
>         > mine
>         >    with this sentence.
>         >
>         >     “But as I consider the actions of the aforementioned great
>         minds, I
>         >    believe that I have been, perhaps, too timid.”
>         >
>         >    This says to me that over the next 5 month you are only going
>         to
>         >    ratchet up your rhetoric.  It is with great sadness that I
>    must
>         >    consider myself as a “YES” on any vote for your removal.
>         >
>         >    Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member
>         >
>         >    Sent from my iPhone
>         >    On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Arvin Vohra
>
>           <[1][2][3]votevohra at gmail.com>
>
>         >    wrote:
>         >
>         >      A bit more information for consideration before the
>    upcoming
>         >    electronic
>         >      meeting. This is taken from my facebook page:
>         >      Over the last few days, I've heard from many people about
>         > different
>         >      Libertarian theories of age of consent, both online and
>         offline. I
>         >    have
>         >      become convinced that a law that I previously considered
>    sort
>         of
>         >    silly
>         >      is far more deeply flawed than I realized.
>         >      The issue with current laws is that it tries to set the age
>         of
>         >    consent
>         >      as "the age past which sexual manipulation is impossible,
>    or
>         >    extremely
>         >      unlikely." This is a fools errand. There is no such age.
>         >      Biologically, the prefrontal cortex continues developing
>         until
>         > around
>         >      age 25. However, the prefrontal cortex of some 25 year olds
>         will
>         >      obviously be inferior to that of other 16 year olds.
>         >      But the physical development of the prefrontal cortex
>    doesn't
>         tell
>         >    the
>         >      whole story. 40 year olds, because of their life
>    experience,
>         may
>         > have
>         >      more impulse control than 25 year olds, as well as more
>         ability to
>         >      manipulate. Some people are, through genetics or practice,
>         easily
>         >    able
>         >      to manipulate people their own age or older.
>         >      And some people don't. Even the hardcore statists haven't
>         gone so
>         > far
>         >      as to argue that 100% of sex between teenagers and adults
>    is
>         >      problematic, that at no point in history was that
>    beneficial.
>         Some
>         >    have
>         >      even discussed the lasting marriages of their own
>         grandparents
>         > (and
>         >      occasionally parents).
>         >      Many supposed anarchists have gone running to statism, like
>         the
>         >    "brave"
>         >      kids who run and hide behind mommy at the first sign of,
>         well,
>         >      anything.
>         >      There are other models worth considering. The first is the
>         German
>         >      model. Yes, I know it's still statism, but it can inform
>         anarchist
>         >    and
>         >      minarchist thought. In Germany, the age of consent is set
>         low, at
>         > 14.
>         >      However, if there is an age gap, and the younger person
>    feels
>         as
>         > if
>         >    he
>         >      or she has been exploited, manipulated, etc., that person
>    can
>         > press
>         >      charges. This enables positive romance, and puts a bar on
>         >    manipulation.
>         >      It puts the burden of responsibility on the older person,
>         which is
>         >      where it should be. American law, on the other hand,
>         basically say
>         > to
>         >    a
>         >      younger person who feels exploited, but was of age, "Well
>    you
>         said
>         >    yes,
>         >      sucks to be you LOL!!!"
>         >      Murray Rothbard discussed "homesteading", which has some
>         > application.
>         >      Once a person at any age has set himself up independent of
>         his
>         >    parents,
>         >      has a job/business, residence, etc., he or she is free to
>         make his
>         >    own
>         >      decisions about everything.
>         >      Some objectivists have similarly argued that when a person
>         can
>         > take
>         >    on
>         >      the responsibilities of adulthood, they have the right to
>         make
>         > their
>         >      own decisions. I like that idea. I would extend it by
>    saying
>         that
>         >    those
>         >      who cannot take on those responsibilities don't have those
>         rights.
>         >      Those who have kids they cannot afford, and then have 15
>    more
>         they
>         >      cannot afford, are violating that. I don't think the state
>         should
>         > be
>         >      involved. I also don't think the state should subsidize
>    that
>         > behavior
>         >      through welfare, as it has been doing for decades (and yes,
>         > welfare
>         >      does include government schools).
>         >      I've also learned about the history of those who have spoke
>         out
>         >    against
>         >      these laws, particularly in Europe. I was surprised to see
>         people
>         >    like
>         >      legendary feminist Simone de Beauvoir and philosopher Jean
>         Paul
>         >    Sartre
>         >      sign a petition demanding the release of three men who had
>         been
>         >    jailed
>         >      for violating age of consent laws...way back in the ancient
>         times
>         > of
>         >      1977. These were intellectual giants with big ideas, people
>         of
>         >    incisive
>         >      thought and massive reach. Some may have been statists too,
>         but I
>         >      frankly am more in awe of statists with big minds and bid
>         ideas
>         > than
>         >      with small minded libertarians with minor-league ideas.
>    Were
>         those
>         >      giants loved and hated? Sure. Were they influential? I'd
>    say
>         so.
>         >      Let's not let the fact that we are a smaller movement make
>    us
>         > small
>         >      minded. Let's not be afraid to challenge the big, sacred
>         ideas.
>         > Not
>         >      just point out areas where they give absurd results, but
>         challenge
>         >      their very fundamental underpinnings.
>         >      In a few days, there will be a meeting to consider removing
>         me
>         > from
>         >    the
>         >      LNC for bringing this issue up not nicely enough. But as I
>         > consider
>         >    the
>         >      actions of the aforementioned great minds, I believe that I
>         have
>         >    been,
>         >      perhaps, too timid.
>         >      Respectfully,
>         >      [1]Arvin Vohra
>         >      --
>         >      Arvin Vohra
>
>           >      [2][2][3][4]www.VoteVohra.com
>           >      [3][3][4][5]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>           >      [6](301) 320-3634
>           >    References
>           >      1.
>           [4][5][7]https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>           >      2. [5][6][8]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>           >      3. [6]mailto:[7][9]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>           >
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>           >
>           > References
>           >
>           >    1. mailto:[10][12]votevohra at gmail.com
>           >    2. [11][13]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>           >    3. mailto:[12][14]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>           >    4. [13][15]https://www.facebook.com/
>      VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>           >    5. [14][16]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>           >    6. mailto:[15][17]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>           >    7. mailto:[16][18]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>           >    8. [17][19]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/
>      mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>           >
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>      References
>         1. mailto:[24]erin.adams at lp.org
>         2. mailto:[25]votevohra at gmail.com
>         3. [26]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>         4. mailto:[27]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>         5. [28]https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>         6. [29]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>         7. mailto:[30]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>         8. mailto:[31]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         9. [32]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>        10. mailto:[33]votevohra at gmail.com
>        11. [34]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>        12. mailto:[35]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>        13. [36]https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>        14. [37]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>        15. mailto:[38]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>        16. mailto:[39]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        17. [40]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>        18. mailto:[41]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        19. [42]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>        20. mailto:[43]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        21. [44]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
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>    --
>    Arvin Vohra
>    [47]www.VoteVohra.com
>    [48]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>    (301) 320-3634
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>    2. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
>    3. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>    4. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>    5. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>    6. tel:(301) 320-3634
>    7. https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>    8. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>    9. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   10. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   11. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   12. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>   13. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   14. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   15. https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>   16. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   17. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   18. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   19. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   20. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   21. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   22. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   23. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   24. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
>   25. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>   26. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   27. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   28. https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>   29. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   30. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   31. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   32. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   33. mailto:votevohra at gmail.com
>   34. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   35. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   36. https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
>   37. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   38. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
>   39. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   40. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   41. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   42. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   43. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   44. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   45. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   46. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>   47. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>   48. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
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   Wow.  Exhibit B.

   On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:03 PM Arvin Vohra <[1]votevohra at gmail.com>
   wrote:

        1. Is there a bylaws demanding empathy? Nope.
        2. Is there some objective reason to believe that political
        effectiveness requires empathy? Nope.
        3. Has empathy held our movement back, in that it leads people to
        refuse to speak out against things like government school use,
     and
        focus on things that are nice, like issues no one on earth,
     including
        most libertarians, know about or care about? Yes.
        Here's some perspective: If we succeed in our stated platform
     goals, we
        will be putting millions of government employees out of work.
     Sure, the
        total number of jobs may increase, but those specific people will
     be
        unemployed. They may face major life changes. Note that we'll
     also be
        getting rid of welfare and government employment insurance.
     People
        accustomed to upper middle class life will face major changes,
     often
        downgrades.
        Strength of will, willingness to accept the suffering of those
     who
        collaborated with the state, is what is required to see that
     through.
        Want to see the results of empathy? Take a look at our last
        presidential candidate's response to a mother's incompetence, and
     her
        son's bad decisionmaking. We need less empathy, not more, for
     this
        movement to do what it needs to.
        Respectfully,
        Arvin Vohra
        Vice Chair
        Libertarian National Committee
        On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
        <[1][2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
             Correct.
             There is an utter refusal to realize this isn’t about a
     perfect
             philosophical point.
             It is about basic judgment.  A shred of empathy and
          consideration.
             Your continued behavior is convincing people.
             Enough already.
             And Daniel is right.  You will just ratchet up.
             I don’t consent.
           On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:28 AM <[1][2][3]erin.adams at lp.org>
     wrote:
             I agree with Mr. Hayes on this. I have been relatively
     silent
             throughout
             this "ordeal" all the while sitting in consideration of all
        "sides".
             At
             this point,enough is enough.
             On 2018-01-18 11:20, Daniel Hayes wrote:
             > Arvin,
             >
             >    I have been a staunch “NO” on your removal.  It was not
        because
             I
             > think
             >    there should be no government involvement in age of
     consent
             because
             > I
             >    do think there needs to be some line in the sand on
     that
             issue.  My
             >    strong reluctance has been because it potentially
     chills the
             speech
             > of
             >    this board’s members which should be somewhat bold
     advocating
             for
             >    Liberty.  It’s never a good outcome when members of a
     board
             vote to
             >    remove their peers.  We don’t want our governance of
     the
             > organization
             >    between conventions to be a circular firing squad. We
     also
             don’t
             > want
             >    to encourage overall members to know that if they
     exaggerate
             and
             >    mischaracterize what someone they don’t agree with says
     and
             then
             > jump
             >    up and down enough, they can have them removed. Then
     there is
             the
             > fact
             >    that I personally like you.
             >
             >    All of that said, you just don’t recognize that we are
     a
             POLITICAL
             >    PARTY.  This is not about finding the exact right
        philosophical
             >    argument.  We are also dealing with people’s emotions
     here.
             You
             > are
             >    still arguing the academic point. This is not about
     that.
        It’s
             >    ultimately about your lack of empathy to others on this
        board,
             > others
             >    running for office, and others in the Party and others
     that
             have
             > been
             >    victims of child sexual abuse.   You say families and
     culture
             should
             >    stop it.   The sad reality is it is usually a family
     member
             that is
             > the
             >    abuser or a trusted friend of the family or a trusted
        cultural
             > member
             >    of their community like a church leader.  That is why
     we need
             SOME
             > law
             >    that makes a line in the sand.  Then we need to be more
             diligent as
             > a
             >    society and make greater use of jury nullification when
     the
        law
             is
             >    abused as well as hold legislators to task.  That said
     this
        is
             a
             >    sensitive issue and you just don’t show any
     sensitivity.
             >
             >    It is your latest attempt to sway minds on the LNC that
     has
             swayed
             > mine
             >    with this sentence.
             >
             >     “But as I consider the actions of the aforementioned
     great
             minds, I
             >    believe that I have been, perhaps, too timid.”
             >
             >    This says to me that over the next 5 month you are only
     going
             to
             >    ratchet up your rhetoric.  It is with great sadness
     that I
        must
             >    consider myself as a “YES” on any vote for your
     removal.
             >
             >    Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member
             >
             >    Sent from my iPhone
             >    On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Arvin Vohra
               <[1][2][3][4]votevohra at gmail.com>
             >    wrote:
             >
             >      A bit more information for consideration before the
        upcoming
             >    electronic
             >      meeting. This is taken from my facebook page:
             >      Over the last few days, I've heard from many people
     about
             > different
             >      Libertarian theories of age of consent, both online
     and
             offline. I
             >    have
             >      become convinced that a law that I previously
     considered
        sort
             of
             >    silly
             >      is far more deeply flawed than I realized.
             >      The issue with current laws is that it tries to set
     the age
             of
             >    consent
             >      as "the age past which sexual manipulation is
     impossible,
        or
             >    extremely
             >      unlikely." This is a fools errand. There is no such
     age.
             >      Biologically, the prefrontal cortex continues
     developing
             until
             > around
             >      age 25. However, the prefrontal cortex of some 25
     year olds
             will
             >      obviously be inferior to that of other 16 year olds.
             >      But the physical development of the prefrontal cortex
        doesn't
             tell
             >    the
             >      whole story. 40 year olds, because of their life
        experience,
             may
             > have
             >      more impulse control than 25 year olds, as well as
     more
             ability to
             >      manipulate. Some people are, through genetics or
     practice,
             easily
             >    able
             >      to manipulate people their own age or older.
             >      And some people don't. Even the hardcore statists
     haven't
             gone so
             > far
             >      as to argue that 100% of sex between teenagers and
     adults
        is
             >      problematic, that at no point in history was that
        beneficial.
             Some
             >    have
             >      even discussed the lasting marriages of their own
             grandparents
             > (and
             >      occasionally parents).
             >      Many supposed anarchists have gone running to
     statism, like
             the
             >    "brave"
             >      kids who run and hide behind mommy at the first sign
     of,
             well,
             >      anything.
             >      There are other models worth considering. The first
     is the
             German
             >      model. Yes, I know it's still statism, but it can
     inform
             anarchist
             >    and
             >      minarchist thought. In Germany, the age of consent is
     set
             low, at
             > 14.
             >      However, if there is an age gap, and the younger
     person
        feels
             as
             > if
             >    he
             >      or she has been exploited, manipulated, etc., that
     person
        can
             > press
             >      charges. This enables positive romance, and puts a
     bar on
             >    manipulation.
             >      It puts the burden of responsibility on the older
     person,
             which is
             >      where it should be. American law, on the other hand,
             basically say
             > to
             >    a
             >      younger person who feels exploited, but was of age,
     "Well
        you
             said
             >    yes,
             >      sucks to be you LOL!!!"
             >      Murray Rothbard discussed "homesteading", which has
     some
             > application.
             >      Once a person at any age has set himself up
     independent of
             his
             >    parents,
             >      has a job/business, residence, etc., he or she is
     free to
             make his
             >    own
             >      decisions about everything.
             >      Some objectivists have similarly argued that when a
     person
             can
             > take
             >    on
             >      the responsibilities of adulthood, they have the
     right to
             make
             > their
             >      own decisions. I like that idea. I would extend it by
        saying
             that
             >    those
             >      who cannot take on those responsibilities don't have
     those
             rights.
             >      Those who have kids they cannot afford, and then have
     15
        more
             they
             >      cannot afford, are violating that. I don't think the
     state
             should
             > be
             >      involved. I also don't think the state should
     subsidize
        that
             > behavior
             >      through welfare, as it has been doing for decades
     (and yes,
             > welfare
             >      does include government schools).
             >      I've also learned about the history of those who have
     spoke
             out
             >    against
             >      these laws, particularly in Europe. I was surprised
     to see
             people
             >    like
             >      legendary feminist Simone de Beauvoir and philosopher
     Jean
             Paul
             >    Sartre
             >      sign a petition demanding the release of three men
     who had
             been
             >    jailed
             >      for violating age of consent laws...way back in the
     ancient
             times
             > of
             >      1977. These were intellectual giants with big ideas,
     people
             of
             >    incisive
             >      thought and massive reach. Some may have been
     statists too,
             but I
             >      frankly am more in awe of statists with big minds and
     bid
             ideas
             > than
             >      with small minded libertarians with minor-league
     ideas.
        Were
             those
             >      giants loved and hated? Sure. Were they influential?
     I'd
        say
             so.
             >      Let's not let the fact that we are a smaller movement
     make
        us
             > small
             >      minded. Let's not be afraid to challenge the big,
     sacred
             ideas.
             > Not
             >      just point out areas where they give absurd results,
     but
             challenge
             >      their very fundamental underpinnings.
             >      In a few days, there will be a meeting to consider
     removing
             me
             > from
             >    the
             >      LNC for bringing this issue up not nicely enough. But
     as I
             > consider
             >    the
             >      actions of the aforementioned great minds, I believe
     that I
             have
             >    been,
             >      perhaps, too timid.
             >      Respectfully,
             >      [1]Arvin Vohra
             >      --
             >      Arvin Vohra
               >      [2][2][3][4][5]www.VoteVohra.com
               >      [3][3][4][5][6]VoteVohra at gmail.com
               >      [6](301) 320-3634
               >    References
               >      1.

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               >      2. [5][6][8][8]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
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               >    3. mailto:[12][14][14]VoteVohra at gmail.com
               >    4. [13][15][15]https://www.facebook.com/
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               >    5. [14][16][16]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
               >    6. mailto:[15][17][17]VoteVohra at gmail.com
               >    7. mailto:[16][18][18]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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             2. mailto:[25][25]votevohra at gmail.com
             3. [26][26]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
             4. mailto:[27][27]VoteVohra at gmail.com
             5.
     [28][28]https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
             6. [29][29]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
             7. mailto:[30][30]VoteVohra at gmail.com
             8. mailto:[31][31]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
             9.
     [32][32]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
            10. mailto:[33][33]votevohra at gmail.com
            11. [34][34]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
            12. mailto:[35][35]VoteVohra at gmail.com
            13.
     [36][36]https://www.facebook.com/VohraEducation/?fref=mentions
            14. [37][37]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
            15. mailto:[38][38]VoteVohra at gmail.com
            16. mailto:[39][39]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
            17.
     [40][40]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
            18. mailto:[41][41]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
            19.
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        [47][47]www.VoteVohra.com
        [48][48]VoteVohra at gmail.com
        (301) 320-3634
     References
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        3. mailto:[51]votevohra at gmail.com
        4. [52]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
        5. mailto:[53]VoteVohra at gmail.com
        6. tel:(301) 320-3634
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        9. mailto:[56]VoteVohra at gmail.com
       10. mailto:[57]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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       12. mailto:[59]votevohra at gmail.com
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       14. mailto:[61]VoteVohra at gmail.com
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       17. mailto:[64]VoteVohra at gmail.com
       18. mailto:[65]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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