[Lnc-business] Motion to Censure
Starchild
starchild at lp.org
Fri Jan 19 22:25:28 EST 2018
Although I oppose the motion to remove Arvin Vohra as vice chair (but might support a well-written censure motion that makes it clear this is not a statement opposing radical libertarianism), I think Caryn Ann is correct on this bylaws point.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
starchild at lp.org
(415) 625-FREE
On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> I quote our Bylaws:
>
> ARTICLE 2: PURPOSES
>
> The Party is organized to implement and give voice to the principles
> embodied in the Statement of Principles by: functioning as a
> libertarian political entity separate and distinct from all other
> political parties or movements; moving public policy in a libertarian
> direction by building a political party that elects Libertarians to
> public office; chartering affiliate parties throughout the United
> States and promoting their growth and activities; nominating candidates
> for President and Vice-President of the United States, and supporting
> Party and affiliate party candidates for political office; and,
> entering into public information activities.
>
> That Bylaw defines our purpose and it DOES NOT say what this Motion
> says "is primary." We have ONE purpose.: to implement and give voice
> to the principles embodied in the Statement of Principles with MANY
> EQUAL ways to do so.
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Further the motion is contrary to our Bylaws and thus out of order.
> I challenge the motion on those grounds and ask for a ruling of the
> Chair.
> We cannot in motions redefine the primary purpose of the Party which is
> NOT that and was VOTED DOWN last convention.
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Because Region 1 so far wants suspension. I will not have their rights
> gamed away like this.
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:53 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I don’t consider it adequate and this seems like an end run around
> other members when the fair thing is to add this to the electronic
> call.
>
> Colour me not particularly pleased. Everyone should have a chance to
> argue their case.
>
> Please don’t force my hand to co-sponsor the other one in order to
> protect Region 1’s rights.
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:02 PM Daniel Hayes <[4]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Alicia, what would be the end date on this ballot?
> Daniel
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alicia Mattson
> <[5]alicia.mattson at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Since there are already a sufficient number of people requesting
> an
>> electronic meeting, but they're hammering out the meeting
> date/time
>> still, why not just add this to the call of the meeting and
> handle it
>> at the same time? Otherwise we're going to have overlapping
> subjects,
>> one by email ballot and one by electronic meeting.
>> -Alicia
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jeff Hewitt
> <[1][6]jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Move to censure LNC Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated
> comments
>> made
>> on social media that are inflammatory and destructive to the
>> building
>> of a competent political entity whose primary function is to
> draw
>> people to libertarian ideas and to elect Libertarian
> candidates to
>> office.
>> Jeff Hewitt
>> LNC Region 4 Representive
>>
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> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 4. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 5. mailto:alicia.mattson at lp.org
> 6. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
> 7. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 9. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
> 10. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 12. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 13. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
> 14. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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Although I oppose the motion to remove Arvin Vohra as vice chair (but
might support a well-written censure motion that makes it clear this is
not a statement opposing radical libertarianism), I think Caryn Ann is
correct on this bylaws point.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[1]starchild at lp.org
(415) 625-FREE
On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I quote our Bylaws:
ARTICLE 2: PURPOSES
The Party is organized to implement and give voice to the principles
embodied in the Statement of Principles by: functioning as a
libertarian political entity separate and distinct from all other
political parties or movements; moving public policy in a libertarian
direction by building a political party that elects Libertarians to
public office; chartering affiliate parties throughout the United
States and promoting their growth and activities; nominating
candidates
for President and Vice-President of the United States, and supporting
Party and affiliate party candidates for political office; and,
entering into public information activities.
That Bylaw defines our purpose and it DOES NOT say what this Motion
says "is primary." We have ONE purpose.: to implement and give voice
to the principles embodied in the Statement of Principles with MANY
EQUAL ways to do so.
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Further the motion is contrary to our Bylaws and thus out of order.
I challenge the motion on those grounds and ask for a ruling of the
Chair.
We cannot in motions redefine the primary purpose of the Party which
is
NOT that and was VOTED DOWN last convention.
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Because Region 1 so far wants suspension. I will not have their
rights
gamed away like this.
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:53 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
<[3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I don�t consider it adequate and this seems like an end run around
other members when the fair thing is to add this to the electronic
call.
Colour me not particularly pleased. Everyone should have a chance to
argue their case.
Please don�t force my hand to co-sponsor the other one in order to
protect Region 1�s rights.
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:02 PM Daniel Hayes <[4]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
wrote:
Alicia, what would be the end date on this ballot?
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Alicia Mattson
<[5]alicia.mattson at lp.org> wrote:
Since there are already a sufficient number of people requesting
an
electronic meeting, but they're hammering out the meeting
date/time
still, why not just add this to the call of the meeting and
handle it
at the same time? Otherwise we're going to have overlapping
subjects,
one by email ballot and one by electronic meeting.
-Alicia
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Jeff Hewitt
<[1][6]jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org>
wrote:
Move to censure LNC Vice-Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated
comments
made
on social media that are inflammatory and destructive to the
building
of a competent political entity whose primary function is to
draw
people to libertarian ideas and to elect Libertarian
candidates to
office.
Jeff Hewitt
LNC Region 4 Representive
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2. [3]mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. [4]mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. [5]mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
5. [6]mailto:alicia.mattson at lp.org
6. [7]mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
7. [8]mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
8. [9]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
9. [10]mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
10. [11]mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. [12]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
12. [13]mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
6. mailto:alicia.mattson at lp.org
7. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
8. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
10. mailto:jeffrey.hewitt at lp.org
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