[Lnc-business] New email list problem

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Mon Jan 22 01:05:24 EST 2018


It isn't a subscription thing, I think some people have saved an old mail
list that is manually typed from the last LNC roster.  That has been
updated everywhere that I know of.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:

> I only see the email from Alison, when an LNC member replies.  There seems
> to be an old list that people are sending to, and I'm not on it.  (I
> suspect Dustin Nanna isn't either.)  If that could also be corrected that
> would be great.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
>
> On 2018-01-21 22:27, Starchild wrote:
>
>> As originally written, my message below included some boldface and
>> italicized text, but that information seems to have been somehow
>> automatically deleted from what has reached the list. Some dashes also
>> seem to have been converted into gibberish, and a number in brackets
>> (e.g. "[1]") has mysteriously appeared in front of every email address
>> or web link that I included in my email.
>>
>>         I am guessing these new issues may be related to Ken Moellman's
>> continuing efforts to fix another problem which was discussed during
>> the last IT Committee meeting after again being brought to my
>> attention by LP member Chuck Moulton (the fact that some messages
>> posted to the LNC list have been showing up in the online list
>> archives with visible HTML code, making them difficult to read), and
>> so am copying Ken to make him aware of this latest problem.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                         RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>
>>    Thank you for your reply, Alison. Like Caryn Ann, I'm glad to hear you
>>>   say that the reporter got it wrong and you do not support legislation
>>>   to punish local governments for not cooperating with federal
>>>   anti-immigrant enforcement efforts.
>>>
>>>   Since you describe yourself as an anarcho-capitalist, I presume you
>>>   consider all government laws to be fundamentally immoral and
>>>   illegitimate, but given the evident confusion with what was reported,
>>>   the Saratoga Herald-Tribune will probably want to hear a more specific
>>>   disclaimer before publishing a correction.
>>>
>>>   I realize you're busy with your campaign and have asked for help, so if
>>>   you will give me just a quick written statement clearly affirming that
>>>   you oppose efforts to ban or crack down on "sanctuary cities" in
>>>   Florida, such as the legislation described
>>>   at [1]http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city
>>> -ban-bil
>>>   l-makes-comeback, I will pass the information along and work on getting
>>>   the paper to correct their story for the record, so that neither your
>>>   campaign nor the libertarian position on immigration are
>>>   mischaracterized.
>>>
>>>   I already left a voicemail for the reporter, Zac Anderson [he's at
>>>   (941) 361-4836, or email [2]zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com], giving
>>> him
>>>   the heads-up that his story apparently got your position wrong and
>>>   asking him to call me back. According to the paper's website, he is
>>>   their political editor as well as a reporter, so I'm guessing he has
>>>   authority to address the issue himself and didn't attempt to contact
>>>   another editor.
>>>
>>>                      *          *          *
>>>
>>>   Regarding the immigration issue in general, here is some information I
>>>   hope you or other Libertarian candidates may find helpful when
>>>   communicating with the press or members of the public on this topic in
>>>   the future...
>>>
>>>   Except with regard to the importation of slaves after 1808, the
>>>   Constitution does not give Congress any authority to control
>>>   immigration (who enters one of the states), only naturalization (the
>>>   process of becoming a U.S. citizen). This is reflected by the fact that
>>>   for the first century or so of U.S. history (until 1875), there were no
>>>   federal statutes restricting entry to the United States (see
>>>   [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immig
>>> ration_laws
>>>   ). Even today, being in the country without government permission is
>>>   considered by the authorities to be a civil offense, like getting a
>>>   parking ticket, not a criminal offense (see e.g.
>>>   [4]http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/
>>> florida-con
>>>   ference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-unlawfully-crime/).
>>>
>>>   However, as the scope and power of the federal government expanded,
>>>   politicians felt less and less constrained by the Constitution and
>>>   began to increasingly stretch and violate it in various manners. Sadly,
>>>   government courts have largely acquiesced to most of these power grabs,
>>>   so most people today do not realize that like the federal anti-drug
>>>   laws, the federal regulation of products and services by myriad
>>>   agencies, the federal "ownership" of large tracts of land in many
>>>   states, etc., federal immigration laws are unconstitutional and
>>>   therefore illegal.
>>>
>>>   Morally speaking, of course, it doesn't much matter whether a bad law
>>>   is "legal" or not. Plenty of horrific abuses committed by government
>>>   authorities throughout history have been perfectly legal according to
>>>   the laws enacted by themselves or their colleagues. But since many
>>>   people have been taught to automatically view the law as a good thing
>>>   (for an enlightening discussion of this, I highly recommend watching
>>>   the speech Larken Rose gave at an Independence Day rally a few years
>>>   ago, online at [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ), being
>>>   able to explain how you are not advocating lawbreaking when you stand
>>>   up for the rights of undocumented migrants, but in fact upholding the
>>>   highest law of the land, can be useful when when you are asked your
>>>   position on "enforcing the law", "illegal" immigration, etc.
>>>
>>>   One final point � you didn't say in your reply whether the reporter's
>>>   comments that you "argu(ed) that undocumented immigrants present
>>>   potential health and public safety problems" were also inaccurate, but
>>>   if you did say anything along those lines, I would strongly urge you to
>>>   avoid such comments in the future. Virtually anyone can be accurately
>>>   said to represent a potential public health or safety problem (you or I
>>>   might potentially get sick, or do something unsafe in public!), but the
>>>   law should never criminalize or discriminate against people on such
>>>   vague grounds � no one should be detained without probable cause to
>>>   suspect that a particular individual poses a credible threat to public
>>>   health or safety. The mere fact of being undocumented does not make
>>>   anyone a threat to public health or safety.
>>>
>>>   Good luck out there on the campaign trail, and don't forget that
>>>   electoral victory is only a small part of the battle � your ability
>>> to
>>>   advance the cause of freedom as an elected official will largely depend
>>>   on your ability to articulate and defend the libertarian message to
>>>   your constituents and colleagues whose support you will need in order
>>>   to be an effective legislator and get pro-freedom changes enacted while
>>>   blocking attempts to expand the size, scope, cost, and power of
>>>   government!
>>>
>>>   Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      ((( starchild )))
>>>
>>>   At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>                           [6]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>
>>>                                    (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>   P.S. � I'm copying Florida LP member Ryan Ramsey on this email since
>>> he
>>>   wrote separately to members of the LNC regarding my initial message
>>>   about the Herald-Tribune article; I'll try to respond to him separately
>>>   later, but am behind on constituent email lately.
>>>
>>>   On Jan 21, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>>   Thank you Alison that is why I wanted to hear directly from you.
>>>
>>>   Now go knock them dead.  Figuratively of course.
>>>
>>>   -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>   On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:27 PM Alison Foxall
>>>   <[7]alison at foxallforflorida.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   To whom this may concern:
>>>   "Legislation that would punish local governments that don�t fully
>>>   cooperate with federal immigration authorities drew support from
>>>   Libertarian Alison Foxall and criticism from Democrat Margaret Good..."
>>>   I never said I supported legislation to punish local governments.
>>>   Further, "drew support....and criticism" never happened because the
>>>   audience didn't clap for either candidate. The journalist, Zac
>>>   Anderson, definitely got those points wrong. He never directly quoted
>>>   me except when I said it was a hot-button issue and I don't know why
>>>   (continue reading to see why I said that).
>>>   I oppose the top-down approach from the state of FL forcing local
>>>   governments to enforce federal immigration laws. The GOP continues to
>>>   push this. Something to note: our local law enforcement and the
>>>   majority of our constituents here in Sarasota support legal immigration
>>>   and do not want their city or county turned into a haven for
>>>   "undocumented" peoples, so they have chosen to enforce federal laws.
>>>   As a candidate for FL state house representative, in my opinion, it is
>>>   wise to have a working relationship with existing local elected
>>>   officials and despite what happens in different areas of the country,
>>>   our Sherrif here in Sarasota is well-liked and supports the second
>>>   amendment and an armed citizenry. I support the Sherrif and the City
>>>   Council� and ultimately the rest of the community's decision to
>>> enforce
>>>   the law. It is, after all, what the constituency wants and why the
>>>   Sherrif has been at his station, continuously elected for the last 10
>>>   years.
>>>   A question that often comes up, much more so than talking about the
>>>   issues, is "how will you work with the old guard in Tallahassee [the
>>>   Capital]?". Voters are legitimately considering how a Libertarian
>>>   Representative would work within the Republican majority and Democratic
>>>   minority. Voters are curious if I will be able to form alliances or
>>>   alienate myself in the House. Something they clearly don't want is
>>>   alienation.
>>>   Even though I support the decisions of my constituents and their own
>>>   local governance, I under no circumstance would vote at the state level
>>>   to make counties or cities enforce federal immigration laws. That is up
>>>   to local governments. In Florida, we have "home rule" laws and the
>>>   state should not be imposing their will onto local municipalities. It
>>>   is written in our state constitution. I would have very little to do
>>>   when it comes to immigration issues which is why it is not present on
>>>   my website. I've knocked on thousands of doors and out of all those
>>>   people I have spoken to, none have ever brought up immigration. None.
>>>   Sarasota does not face an "illegal" immigration "problem".
>>>   So, why was it asked at a League of Women voters event? Because the GOP
>>>   sent scare tactic mailers to almost all voters in the district in late
>>>   December to drum up voter turnout in a special election to vote against
>>>   the Democrat. They employed the same tactic early last year in a city
>>>   council election. The GOP lost. Badly. Since December when that first
>>>   mailer went out, immigration questions have only come up twice in
>>>   public appearances. The Democrats in Sarasota on the city council have
>>>   no interest in ceasing to enforce federal immigration laws, but the GOP
>>>   is blowing the issue out of proportion as if it's something they want.
>>>   Personally, I am not enthusiastic about the issue (neither are the
>>>   DEM's here) and it's not something I go around talking about to solicit
>>>   votes. My platform is largely economic and energy based, with
>>>   highlights about restoring rights to felons that have finished their
>>>   sentences and ending the drug war to help end the opioid crisis in our
>>>   area, as well as jumpstart a hemp industry in our state.
>>>   Sarasota is not like most places. 62% of its income comes from
>>>   dividends, interest, and social security payouts. That will tip you off
>>>   to the demographics here: older retirees. And when I say older, I mean
>>>   really older, from the Silent Generation. We have more deaths in
>>>   Sarasota than we do births. At least 10% of people here remember
>>>   growing up during the great depression. A third of the population grew
>>>   up and lived through WWII. Nearly everyone remembers the start of the
>>>   Cold War, the wonders of the new space program, and Kennedy's
>>>   assassination. People talk about some of these events as if they
>>>   happened just a few years ago. The things they care about are what I
>>>   care about. I'm trying to become their representative, after all.
>>>   The libertarian facebook firing squad is a distraction from our goal of
>>>   reducing government. We are nowhere near even my stepping stone dream
>>>   of very limited government. Immigration laws need massive reform at the
>>>   federal level and how we get there is not through me or the seat I'm
>>>   trying to win. I became a Libertarian in 2014 when Adrian Wyllie made
>>>   the call to change my party registration. At the time I was
>>>   non-partisan and a self-described anarcho-capitalist (hence the strong
>>>   platform about economic freedom). I believed that political parties
>>>   were a big part of the problems our country is facing and resisted
>>>   joining for some time. But after seeing the injustice of debate
>>>   exclusion that Wyllie faced in Florida, and the possibility of the
>>>   Libertarian Party becoming a major party by reaching 5% threshold of
>>>   registered voters, I took a leap of faith and joined "the collective"
>>>   of big-L Libertarians in Florida and I haven't looked back since. I
>>>   figured I might as well be a part of the change, instead of not
>>>   participating at all.
>>>   Our campaign has received a ridiculous amount of mainstream media
>>>   attention locally. TV and printed news is the preferred news
>>>   consumption platform for our audience, and we've gotten a lot of it.
>>>   Yesterday, the local news station came out to our canvassing assembly
>>>   before we hit the streets. I am meeting with TV, radio, and news
>>>   journalists every day this week. January 30th we will be in the
>>>   televised debates and it is anticipated to be one of the most watched
>>>   things on local television this year. I've attached some coverage that
>>>   ran in this mornings paper. My photo is front and center. The article
>>>   mentions we are a big wild card, campaigning aggressively, and could
>>>   draw significant support. These are the kindest things a news
>>>   journalist have said about a Libertarian campaign I've ever read about
>>>   in Florida. This is our chance to win.
>>>   I implore you all to help drum up support to win this seat instead of
>>>   hampering it. We have huge momentum here on the ground, and we've
>>>   already broken fundraising records for a FL Libertarian State House
>>>   campaign in a special election, and are about $1,800 away from breaking
>>>   the overall amount raised in any FL Libertarian State House campaign.
>>>   We are making history and smashing through records from nearly 15 years
>>>   ago. Libertarians in Florida are on the rise.
>>>   As this email took an absorbent amount of time to write, if you have
>>>   follow-up questions, please give me a call: 941-840-0369. My time
>>> needs
>>>   to be spent very wisely from now until election day on February 13th.
>>>   This is the home stretch, the culmination of months and thousands of
>>>   hours of work. I'm running to advance our movement, to grow our party,
>>>   and most of all to have Libertarian representation in our state. The
>>>   opportunity to win is dangling in front of us, ripe, and ready for the
>>>   taking. The question is: do you really want it as much as I do?
>>>   [f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4dZ0vW4WJ4Tb3MPpWYN65
>>> jGX-d3_yKW9
>>>   jlCX31k1H6H0?si=4861442635857920&pi=0300150b-276f-4cc8-
>>> b606-39637f4
>>>   6a075&ti=undefined]
>>>   Thank you,
>>>   Alison Foxall
>>>   Libertarian Candidate for FL House District 72
>>>   Special Election, February 13th, 2018
>>>   Volunteer Today: [8]foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
>>>
>>>   On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>   <[9]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I would like to hear Alison's view.
>>>
>>>   On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Starchild <[10]starchild at lp.org>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> SARASOTA � Legislation that would punish local governments that don�t
>>>>
>>>   fully cooperate with federal immigration authorities drew support from
>>>   Libertarian Alison Foxall and criticism from Democrat Margaret Good
>>>   during a candidate forum for the state House District 72 race Tuesday.
>>>
>>>> Foxall, a Sarasota marketing company owner, noted that the so-called
>>>>
>>>   sanctuary cities bill � which cleared the Florida House last week
>>> � has
>>>   become �a very hot button issue.�
>>>
>>>>
>>>> �I don�t understand why,� Foxall said in arguing that undocumented
>>>>
>>>   immigrants present potential health and public safety problems.
>>>   (From
>>>   [11]http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180116/sarasota-stat
>>> e-house-can
>>>   didates-debate-immigration-guns-abortion-at-forum)
>>>           I can't find anything on Alison Foxall's website about
>>>   immigration one way or the other, and want to give her the benefit of
>>>   the doubt that the paper got it wrong. I've copied the candidate, who
>>>   is also a member of the Social Media Process Review Committee, on this
>>>   message so she can address what her local paper reported.
>>>           Hopefully we are not too preoccupied with policing intemperate
>>>   posts on Facebook to be concerned if a Libertarian candidate is taking
>>>   actual anti-libertarian positions at a public campaign event covered by
>>>   the media. Allison's campaign is currently being touted in an ad on the
>>>   front page of [12]LP.org.
>>>   Love & Liberty,
>>>                                      ((( starchild )))
>>>   At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>                                   [13]starchild at lp.org
>>>                                   (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Lnc-business mailing list
>>>     [14]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>     [15]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>   1. http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city-
>>> ban-bill-makes-comebac
>>>   2. mailto:zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com
>>>   3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigrat
>>> ion_laws
>>>   4. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/
>>> florida-conference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-
>>> unlawfully-crime/
>>>   5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ
>>>   6. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>   7. mailto:alison at foxallforflorida.com
>>>   8. http://foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
>>>   9. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>  10. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>>  11. http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180116/sarasota-state-ho
>>> use-candidates-debate-immigration-guns-abortion-at-forum
>>>  12. http://LP.org/
>>>  13. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>>>  14. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>  15. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
>>>
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   It isn't a subscription thing, I think some people have saved an old
   mail list that is manually typed from the last LNC roster.  That has
   been updated everywhere that I know of.

   On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
   <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:

     I only see the email from Alison, when an LNC member replies.  There
     seems to be an old list that people are sending to, and I'm not on
     it.  (I suspect Dustin Nanna isn't either.)  If that could also be
     corrected that would be great.
     ---
     Elizabeth Van Horn

   On 2018-01-21 22:27, Starchild wrote:

     As originally written, my message below included some boldface and
     italicized text, but that information seems to have been somehow
     automatically deleted from what has reached the list. Some dashes
     also
     seem to have been converted into gibberish, and a number in brackets
     (e.g. "[1]") has mysteriously appeared in front of every email
     address
     or web link that I included in my email.
             I am guessing these new issues may be related to Ken
     Moellman's
     continuing efforts to fix another problem which was discussed during
     the last IT Committee meeting after again being brought to my
     attention by LP member Chuck Moulton (the fact that some messages
     posted to the LNC list have been showing up in the online list
     archives with visible HTML code, making them difficult to read), and
     so am copying Ken to make him aware of this latest problem.
     Love & Liberty,
                                        ((( starchild )))
     At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                             [2]RealReform at earthlink.net
                                     (415) 625-FREE
     On Jan 21, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Starchild wrote:

        Thank you for your reply, Alison. Like Caryn Ann, I'm glad to
     hear you
       say that the reporter got it wrong and you do not support
     legislation
       to punish local governments for not cooperating with federal
       anti-immigrant enforcement efforts.
       Since you describe yourself as an anarcho-capitalist, I presume
     you
       consider all government laws to be fundamentally immoral and
       illegitimate, but given the evident confusion with what was
     reported,
       the Saratoga Herald-Tribune will probably want to hear a more
     specific
       disclaimer before publishing a correction.
       I realize you're busy with your campaign and have asked for help,
     so if
       you will give me just a quick written statement clearly affirming
     that
       you oppose efforts to ban or crack down on "sanctuary cities" in
       Florida, such as the legislation described
       at [1][3]http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city
     -ban-bil
       l-makes-comeback, I will pass the information along and work on
     getting
       the paper to correct their story for the record, so that neither
     your
       campaign nor the libertarian position on immigration are
       mischaracterized.
       I already left a voicemail for the reporter, Zac Anderson [he's at
       [4](941) 361-4836, or email [2][5]zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com],
     giving him
       the heads-up that his story apparently got your position wrong and
       asking him to call me back. According to the paper's website, he
     is
       their political editor as well as a reporter, so I'm guessing he
     has
       authority to address the issue himself and didn't attempt to
     contact
       another editor.
                          *          *          *
       Regarding the immigration issue in general, here is some
     information I
       hope you or other Libertarian candidates may find helpful when
       communicating with the press or members of the public on this
     topic in
       the future...
       Except with regard to the importation of slaves after 1808, the
       Constitution does not give Congress any authority to control
       immigration (who enters one of the states), only naturalization
     (the
       process of becoming a U.S. citizen). This is reflected by the fact
     that
       for the first century or so of U.S. history (until 1875), there
     were no
       federal statutes restricting entry to the United States (see
       [3][6]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immig
     ration_laws
       ). Even today, being in the country without government permission
     is
       considered by the authorities to be a civil offense, like getting
     a
       parking ticket, not a criminal offense (see e.g.
       [4][7]http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/
     florida-con
       ference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-unlawfully-crime/).
       However, as the scope and power of the federal government
     expanded,
       politicians felt less and less constrained by the Constitution and
       began to increasingly stretch and violate it in various manners.
     Sadly,
       government courts have largely acquiesced to most of these power
     grabs,
       so most people today do not realize that like the federal
     anti-drug
       laws, the federal regulation of products and services by myriad
       agencies, the federal "ownership" of large tracts of land in many
       states, etc., federal immigration laws are unconstitutional and
       therefore illegal.
       Morally speaking, of course, it doesn't much matter whether a bad
     law
       is "legal" or not. Plenty of horrific abuses committed by
     government
       authorities throughout history have been perfectly legal according
     to
       the laws enacted by themselves or their colleagues. But since many
       people have been taught to automatically view the law as a good
     thing
       (for an enlightening discussion of this, I highly recommend
     watching
       the speech Larken Rose gave at an Independence Day rally a few
     years
       ago, online at [5][8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ),
     being
       able to explain how you are not advocating lawbreaking when you
     stand
       up for the rights of undocumented migrants, but in fact upholding
     the
       highest law of the land, can be useful when when you are asked
     your
       position on "enforcing the law", "illegal" immigration, etc.
       One final point � you didn't say in your reply whether the
     reporter's
       comments that you "argu(ed) that undocumented immigrants present
       potential health and public safety problems" were also inaccurate,
     but
       if you did say anything along those lines, I would strongly urge
     you to
       avoid such comments in the future. Virtually anyone can be
     accurately
       said to represent a potential public health or safety problem (you
     or I
       might potentially get sick, or do something unsafe in public!),
     but the
       law should never criminalize or discriminate against people on
     such
       vague grounds � no one should be detained without probable cause
     to
       suspect that a particular individual poses a credible threat to
     public
       health or safety. The mere fact of being undocumented does not
     make
       anyone a threat to public health or safety.
       Good luck out there on the campaign trail, and don't forget that
       electoral victory is only a small part of the battle � your
     ability to
       advance the cause of freedom as an elected official will largely
     depend
       on your ability to articulate and defend the libertarian message
     to
       your constituents and colleagues whose support you will need in
     order
       to be an effective legislator and get pro-freedom changes enacted
     while
       blocking attempts to expand the size, scope, cost, and power of
       government!
       Love & Liberty,
                                          ((( starchild )))
       At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                               [6][9]RealReform at earthlink.net
                                        (415) 625-FREE
       P.S. � I'm copying Florida LP member Ryan Ramsey on this email
     since he
       wrote separately to members of the LNC regarding my initial
     message
       about the Herald-Tribune article; I'll try to respond to him
     separately
       later, but am behind on constituent email lately.
       On Jan 21, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
       Thank you Alison that is why I wanted to hear directly from you.
       Now go knock them dead.  Figuratively of course.
       -Caryn Ann
       On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:27 PM Alison Foxall
       <[7][10]alison at foxallforflorida.com> wrote:
       To whom this may concern:
       "Legislation that would punish local governments that don�t
     fully
       cooperate with federal immigration authorities drew support from
       Libertarian Alison Foxall and criticism from Democrat Margaret
     Good..."
       I never said I supported legislation to punish local governments.
       Further, "drew support....and criticism" never happened because
     the
       audience didn't clap for either candidate. The journalist, Zac
       Anderson, definitely got those points wrong. He never directly
     quoted
       me except when I said it was a hot-button issue and I don't know
     why
       (continue reading to see why I said that).
       I oppose the top-down approach from the state of FL forcing local
       governments to enforce federal immigration laws. The GOP continues
     to
       push this. Something to note: our local law enforcement and the
       majority of our constituents here in Sarasota support legal
     immigration
       and do not want their city or county turned into a haven for
       "undocumented" peoples, so they have chosen to enforce federal
     laws.
       As a candidate for FL state house representative, in my opinion,
     it is
       wise to have a working relationship with existing local elected
       officials and despite what happens in different areas of the
     country,
       our Sherrif here in Sarasota is well-liked and supports the second
       amendment and an armed citizenry. I support the Sherrif and the
     City
       Council� and ultimately the rest of the community's decision to
     enforce
       the law. It is, after all, what the constituency wants and why the
       Sherrif has been at his station, continuously elected for the last
     10
       years.
       A question that often comes up, much more so than talking about
     the
       issues, is "how will you work with the old guard in Tallahassee
     [the
       Capital]?". Voters are legitimately considering how a Libertarian
       Representative would work within the Republican majority and
     Democratic
       minority. Voters are curious if I will be able to form alliances
     or
       alienate myself in the House. Something they clearly don't want is
       alienation.
       Even though I support the decisions of my constituents and their
     own
       local governance, I under no circumstance would vote at the state
     level
       to make counties or cities enforce federal immigration laws. That
     is up
       to local governments. In Florida, we have "home rule" laws and the
       state should not be imposing their will onto local municipalities.
     It
       is written in our state constitution. I would have very little to
     do
       when it comes to immigration issues which is why it is not present
     on
       my website. I've knocked on thousands of doors and out of all
     those
       people I have spoken to, none have ever brought up immigration.
     None.
       Sarasota does not face an "illegal" immigration "problem".
       So, why was it asked at a League of Women voters event? Because
     the GOP
       sent scare tactic mailers to almost all voters in the district in
     late
       December to drum up voter turnout in a special election to vote
     against
       the Democrat. They employed the same tactic early last year in a
     city
       council election. The GOP lost. Badly. Since December when that
     first
       mailer went out, immigration questions have only come up twice in
       public appearances. The Democrats in Sarasota on the city council
     have
       no interest in ceasing to enforce federal immigration laws, but
     the GOP
       is blowing the issue out of proportion as if it's something they
     want.
       Personally, I am not enthusiastic about the issue (neither are the
       DEM's here) and it's not something I go around talking about to
     solicit
       votes. My platform is largely economic and energy based, with
       highlights about restoring rights to felons that have finished
     their
       sentences and ending the drug war to help end the opioid crisis in
     our
       area, as well as jumpstart a hemp industry in our state.
       Sarasota is not like most places. 62% of its income comes from
       dividends, interest, and social security payouts. That will tip
     you off
       to the demographics here: older retirees. And when I say older, I
     mean
       really older, from the Silent Generation. We have more deaths in
       Sarasota than we do births. At least 10% of people here remember
       growing up during the great depression. A third of the population
     grew
       up and lived through WWII. Nearly everyone remembers the start of
     the
       Cold War, the wonders of the new space program, and Kennedy's
       assassination. People talk about some of these events as if they
       happened just a few years ago. The things they care about are what
     I
       care about. I'm trying to become their representative, after all.
       The libertarian facebook firing squad is a distraction from our
     goal of
       reducing government. We are nowhere near even my stepping stone
     dream
       of very limited government. Immigration laws need massive reform
     at the
       federal level and how we get there is not through me or the seat
     I'm
       trying to win. I became a Libertarian in 2014 when Adrian Wyllie
     made
       the call to change my party registration. At the time I was
       non-partisan and a self-described anarcho-capitalist (hence the
     strong
       platform about economic freedom). I believed that political
     parties
       were a big part of the problems our country is facing and resisted
       joining for some time. But after seeing the injustice of debate
       exclusion that Wyllie faced in Florida, and the possibility of the
       Libertarian Party becoming a major party by reaching 5% threshold
     of
       registered voters, I took a leap of faith and joined "the
     collective"
       of big-L Libertarians in Florida and I haven't looked back since.
     I
       figured I might as well be a part of the change, instead of not
       participating at all.
       Our campaign has received a ridiculous amount of mainstream media
       attention locally. TV and printed news is the preferred news
       consumption platform for our audience, and we've gotten a lot of
     it.
       Yesterday, the local news station came out to our canvassing
     assembly
       before we hit the streets. I am meeting with TV, radio, and news
       journalists every day this week. January 30th we will be in the
       televised debates and it is anticipated to be one of the most
     watched
       things on local television this year. I've attached some coverage
     that
       ran in this mornings paper. My photo is front and center. The
     article
       mentions we are a big wild card, campaigning aggressively, and
     could
       draw significant support. These are the kindest things a news
       journalist have said about a Libertarian campaign I've ever read
     about
       in Florida. This is our chance to win.
       I implore you all to help drum up support to win this seat instead
     of
       hampering it. We have huge momentum here on the ground, and we've
       already broken fundraising records for a FL Libertarian State
     House
       campaign in a special election, and are about $1,800 away from
     breaking
       the overall amount raised in any FL Libertarian State House
     campaign.
       We are making history and smashing through records from nearly 15
     years
       ago. Libertarians in Florida are on the rise.
       As this email took an absorbent amount of time to write, if you
     have
       follow-up questions, please give me a call: [11]941-840-0369. My
     time needs
       to be spent very wisely from now until election day on February
     13th.
       This is the home stretch, the culmination of months and thousands
     of
       hours of work. I'm running to advance our movement, to grow our
     party,
       and most of all to have Libertarian representation in our state.
     The
       opportunity to win is dangling in front of us, ripe, and ready for
     the
       taking. The question is: do you really want it as much as I do?
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       Thank you,
       Alison Foxall
       Libertarian Candidate for FL House District 72
       Special Election, February 13th, 2018
       Volunteer Today: [8][12]foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
       On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
       <[9][13]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
       I would like to hear Alison's view.
       On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Starchild
     <[10][14]starchild at lp.org>
       wrote:

     SARASOTA � Legislation that would punish local governments that
     don�t

       fully cooperate with federal immigration authorities drew support
     from
       Libertarian Alison Foxall and criticism from Democrat Margaret
     Good
       during a candidate forum for the state House District 72 race
     Tuesday.

     Foxall, a Sarasota marketing company owner, noted that the so-called

       sanctuary cities bill � which cleared the Florida House last
     week � has
       become �a very hot button issue.�

     �I don�t understand why,� Foxall said in arguing that
     undocumented

       immigrants present potential health and public safety problems.
       (From
       [11][15]http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180116/sarasota-stat
     e-house-can
       didates-debate-immigration-guns-abortion-at-forum)
               I can't find anything on Alison Foxall's website about
       immigration one way or the other, and want to give her the benefit
     of
       the doubt that the paper got it wrong. I've copied the candidate,
     who
       is also a member of the Social Media Process Review Committee, on
     this
       message so she can address what her local paper reported.
               Hopefully we are not too preoccupied with policing
     intemperate
       posts on Facebook to be concerned if a Libertarian candidate is
     taking
       actual anti-libertarian positions at a public campaign event
     covered by
       the media. Allison's campaign is currently being touted in an ad
     on the
       front page of [12]LP.org.
       Love & Liberty,
                                          ((( starchild )))
       At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                                       [13][16]starchild at lp.org
                                       (415) 625-FREE
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     References
       1. [19]http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city-
     ban-bill-makes-comebac
       2. mailto:[20]zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com
       3. [21]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
     List_of_United_States_immigration_laws
       4. [22]http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/
     florida-conference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-
     unlawfully-crime/
       5. [23]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ
       6. mailto:[24]RealReform at earthlink.net
       7. mailto:[25]alison at foxallforflorida.com
       8. [26]http://foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
       9. mailto:[27]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
      10. mailto:[28]starchild at lp.org
      11. [29]http://www.heraldtribune.com/n
     ews/20180116/sarasota-state-house-candidates-debate-immigrat
     ion-guns-abortion-at-forum
      12. [30]http://LP.org/
      13. mailto:[31]starchild at lp.org
      14. mailto:[32]Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
      15. [33]http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
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References

   1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
   2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
   3. http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city-ban-bil
   4. tel:(941) 361-4836
   5. mailto:zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com
   6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_laws
   7. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/florida-con
   8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ
   9. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
  10. mailto:alison at foxallforflorida.com
  11. tel:941-840-0369
  12. http://foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
  13. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  14. mailto:starchild at lp.org
  15. http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180116/sarasota-state-house-can
  16. mailto:starchild at lp.org
  17. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  18. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  19. http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248759-sanctuary-city-ban-bill-makes-comebac
  20. mailto:zac.anderson at heraldtribune.com
  21. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_immigration_laws
  22. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/15/florida-conference-catholic-bishops/being-united-states-unlawfully-crime/
  23. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNWnBmoFiGQ
  24. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
  25. mailto:alison at foxallforflorida.com
  26. http://foxallforflorida.com/volunteer
  27. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  28. mailto:starchild at lp.org
  29. http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180116/sarasota-state-house-candidates-debate-immigration-guns-abortion-at-forum
  30. http://LP.org/
  31. mailto:starchild at lp.org
  32. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  33. http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business
  34. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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  36. mailto:Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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