[Lnc-business] Fwd: Investigation of complaint against Arvin Vohra pursuant to LNC Policy Manual Section 2.01(4)
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Jan 27 04:02:04 EST 2018
I am having a similar discussion in the Region 1 group. Mr. Fish from
Alaska (who I think is also an attorney?) noticed the same potential
over-reach.
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:11 AM, Starchild <starchild at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> Glad to hear that you support the counsel's investigation results
> having been made public (at least that's what I take from your message
> below) – if I'm misconstruing what you wrote, please let us know.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:51 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>
> > Glad to see you owned the censure motion. The LP members, and the LNC
> board, deserves to know who authors a censure motion that goes to a vote.
> >
> > As for the "actual findings and legal conclusions", of Oliver B. Hall,
> Special Counsel, it's already being discussed for the past hour in my
> Region 3 group, with links the document and anyone can see it. I want
> people to see it, as it shows that a complaint was acted upon.
> >
> > Regarding the legal counsel document, I wrote this in the Region 3 group
> regarding discussion of the document:
> >
> > "That document has no bearing on what the LNC can do. It's merely
> stating that in the opinion of legal counsel, the particular complaint that
> Ms. Hamilton did, was deemed not to violate the line items in the policy
> that she used to complain. I agree with the decision by legal counsel on
> that, btw. Ms. Hamilton was making a stretch-at-best, with her complaint."
> >
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >
> > On 2018-01-27 02:39, Starchild wrote:
> >> I wrote it, as it sounds like you already know. I don't care about
> >> getting "credit"; I haven't even decided whether I will vote for the
> >> motion myself. I suggested this language to Daniel mainly because some
> >> of the previous language struck me as anti-radical, and I didn't want
> >> to see us go down that path.
> >> Do you actually support transparency in publicly disclosing the
> >> investigation results Elizabeth? Saying "Ooh, transparency. Good idea"
> >> sounds kind of sarcastic, but it can be hard to tell via email.
> >> Love & Liberty,
> >> ((( starchild )))
> >> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >> RealReform at earthlink.net
> >> (415) 625-FREE
> >> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
> >>> Ooh, transparency. Good idea. With that in mind, Starchild, do you
> know who wrote this second reworded censure motion?
> >>> This one: “Move to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated
> public
> >>> comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
> inflammatory and
> >>> sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian
> leaders and
> >>> candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for
> those ideas.”
> >>> Because, I think the writer would want to be given credit for
> rewording a censure motion. Don't you think?
> >>> ---
> >>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> >>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> >>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> >>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>> On 2018-01-26 23:58, Starchild wrote:
> >>>> Thank you, Arvin. All this kind of stuff should be handled
> >>>> transparently. I'm not sure that there's anyone on the LNC who would
> >>>> have wanted it kept secret, but if there was, you may have just saved
> >>>> us the necessity of having an extended argument about that.
> >>>> Love & Liberty,
> >>>> ((( starchild )))
> >>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
> >>>> (415) 625-FREE
> >>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:39 PM, Arvin Vohra wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all -
> >>>>> For the purposes of transparency, I am forwarding this to the list.
> It
> >>>>> is my understanding that as the person whom the complain was
> against, I
> >>>>> have the right to make these findings public.
> >>>>> -Arvin Vohra
> >>>>> Vice Chair
> >>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>> From: Nicholas Sarwark <[1]chair at lp.org>
> >>>>> Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Investigation of complaint against Arvin Vohra pursuant to
> LNC
> >>>>> Policy Manual Section 2.01(4)
> >>>>> To: Merissa Hamilton <[2]merissa at merissahamilton.com>
> >>>>> Cc: [3]vicechair at lp.org, Chuck Moulton <[4]chuck at moulton.org>
> >>>>> Dear Ms. Hamilton,
> >>>>> After receiving your complaint on January 12, 2018, I asked the LNC's
> >>>>> special counsel to review it and investigate the allegations pursuant
> >>>>> to the relevant section of the policy manual, which states "In
> >>>>> response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessary steps
> >>>>> to investigate the matter and will protect the individual’s
> >>>>> confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the need to
> >>>>> thoroughly investigate all complaints."
> >>>>> The results of the investigation are attached to this email in PDF
> >>>>> format.
> >>>>> Yours in liberty,
> >>>>> Nicholas Sarwark
> >>>>> Chair, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>> cc: Arvin Vohra, Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>> Chuck Moulton, Chairman of the Judicial Committee
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Arvin Vohra
> >>>>> [5]www.VoteVohra.com
> >>>>> [6]VoteVohra at gmail.com
> >>>>> (301) 320-3634
> >>>>> References
> >>>>> 1. mailto:chair at lp.org
> >>>>> 2. mailto:merissa at merissahamilton.com
> >>>>> 3. mailto:vicechair at lp.org
> >>>>> 4. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> >>>>> 5. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
> >>>>> 6. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
> >>>>> <Memo_Vohra Complaint_Final.pdf>
> >>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Starchild wrote:
> >>>>> I expect everyone would like to see the write-up, and suggest
> simply posting it to the list rather than emailing 25 people.
> >>>>> Love & Liberty,
> >>>>> ((( starchild )))
> >>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
> >>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>
>
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I am having a similar discussion in the Region 1 group. Mr. Fish from
Alaska (who I think is also an attorney?) noticed the same potential
over-reach.
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:11 AM, Starchild <[1]starchild at lp.org> wrote:
Elizabeth,
Glad to hear that you support the counsel's investigation
results having been made public (at least that's what I take from
your message below) – if I'm misconstruing what you wrote, please
let us know.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[2]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
On Jan 26, 2018, at 11:51 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
> Glad to see you owned the censure motion. The LP members, and the
LNC board, deserves to know who authors a censure motion that goes to a
vote.
>
> As for the "actual findings and legal conclusions", of Oliver B.
Hall, Special Counsel, it's already being discussed for the past hour
in my Region 3 group, with links the document and anyone can see it. I
want people to see it, as it shows that a complaint was acted upon.
>
> Regarding the legal counsel document, I wrote this in the Region 3
group regarding discussion of the document:
>
> "That document has no bearing on what the LNC can do. It's merely
stating that in the opinion of legal counsel, the particular complaint
that Ms. Hamilton did, was deemed not to violate the line items in the
policy that she used to complain. I agree with the decision by legal
counsel on that, btw. Ms. Hamilton was making a stretch-at-best, with
her complaint."
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> [3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
> On 2018-01-27 02:39, Starchild wrote:
>> I wrote it, as it sounds like you already know. I don't care about
>> getting "credit"; I haven't even decided whether I will vote for the
>> motion myself. I suggested this language to Daniel mainly because
some
>> of the previous language struck me as anti-radical, and I didn't
want
>> to see us go down that path.
>> Do you actually support transparency in publicly disclosing the
>> investigation results Elizabeth? Saying "Ooh, transparency. Good
idea"
>> sounds kind of sarcastic, but it can be hard to tell via email.
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> [4]RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>> Ooh, transparency. Good idea. With that in mind, Starchild, do
you know who wrote this second reworded censure motion?
>>> This one: “Move to censure LNC Vice Chair Arvin Vohra for repeated
public
>>> comments which have presented libertarian ideas in an
inflammatory and
>>> sometimes offensive manner not conducive to Libertarian
leaders and
>>> candidates for public office winning hearts and minds for
those ideas.”
>>> Because, I think the writer would want to be given credit for
rewording a censure motion. Don't you think?
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>> [5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>> On 2018-01-26 23:58, Starchild wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Arvin. All this kind of stuff should be handled
>>>> transparently. I'm not sure that there's anyone on the LNC who
would
>>>> have wanted it kept secret, but if there was, you may have just
saved
>>>> us the necessity of having an extended argument about that.
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> [6]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:39 PM, Arvin Vohra wrote:
>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>> For the purposes of transparency, I am forwarding this to the
list. It
>>>>> is my understanding that as the person whom the complain was
against, I
>>>>> have the right to make these findings public.
>>>>> -Arvin Vohra
>>>>> Vice Chair
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Nicholas Sarwark <[1][7]chair at lp.org>
>>>>> Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Investigation of complaint against Arvin Vohra pursuant
to LNC
>>>>> Policy Manual Section 2.01(4)
>>>>> To: Merissa Hamilton <[2][8]merissa at merissahamilton.com>
>>>>> Cc: [3][9]vicechair at lp.org, Chuck Moulton
<[4][10]chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>> Dear Ms. Hamilton,
>>>>> After receiving your complaint on January 12, 2018, I asked the
LNC's
>>>>> special counsel to review it and investigate the allegations
pursuant
>>>>> to the relevant section of the policy manual, which states "In
>>>>> response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessary
steps
>>>>> to investigate the matter and will protect the individual’s
>>>>> confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the need to
>>>>> thoroughly investigate all complaints."
>>>>> The results of the investigation are attached to this email in
PDF
>>>>> format.
>>>>> Yours in liberty,
>>>>> Nicholas Sarwark
>>>>> Chair, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> cc: Arvin Vohra, Vice Chair, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> Chuck Moulton, Chairman of the Judicial Committee
>>>>> --
>>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>>> [5][11]www.VoteVohra.com
>>>>> [6][12]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>>>> [13](301) 320-3634
>>>>> References
>>>>> 1. mailto:[14]chair at lp.org
>>>>> 2. mailto:[15]merissa at merissahamilton.com
>>>>> 3. mailto:[16]vicechair at lp.org
>>>>> 4. mailto:[17]chuck at moulton.org
>>>>> 5. [18]http://www.VoteVohra.com/
>>>>> 6. mailto:[19]VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>>>> <Memo_Vohra Complaint_Final.pdf>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>>> I expect everyone would like to see the write-up, and suggest
simply posting it to the list rather than emailing 25 people.
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> [20]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
References
1. mailto:starchild at lp.org
2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
4. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
6. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
7. mailto:chair at lp.org
8. mailto:merissa at merissahamilton.com
9. mailto:vicechair at lp.org
10. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
11. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
12. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
13. tel:(301) 320-3634
14. mailto:chair at lp.org
15. mailto:merissa at merissahamilton.com
16. mailto:vicechair at lp.org
17. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
18. http://www.VoteVohra.com/
19. mailto:VoteVohra at gmail.com
20. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
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