[Lnc-business] I assume this is Liberty Hangout's Republican Lies
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Feb 1 19:59:39 EST 2018
was not were
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> How about this?
>
> No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> convention. Some interested members spoke to Paul's booking agent who
> indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee of $35,000 were
> paid. This agent also represents Judge Napolitano. These members asked
> for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would raise the money.
> Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way. Also, raising that kind
> of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians would mean that there is less
> funds for very worthy candidates running in 2018 and we have a lot of
> talented and informative speakers who are interested for a much lower (or
> no) fee. If the members raise the money and Paul comes, it is extremely
> unlikely that a spot would not be made for him gladly. We gave Paul an
> award last year for his long-standing contributions to liberty. Paul
> himself has never contacted the LP to indicate personal interest and was
> never told he was unwelcome.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> That post gets a bit personal. I guess I will edit it down to just the
>> facts and reword.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual members who
>>> have asked me to comment.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>> > Nick do we have an official statement that I can send to members who
>>> > ask? Or something you summed up?
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[1]chair at lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots
>>> on.”
>>> > Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation in a Facebook
>>> post
>>> > (
>>> > [2]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
>>> > 947442695418584
>>> > ) that I've copied and pasted below:
>>> > "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
>>> > convention.
>>> > Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a stink, spoke
>>> to
>>> > Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's usual
>>> > speaking
>>> > fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a booking agent.
>>> > (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and mentioned that).
>>> > This
>>> > group then went to the folks handling the convention for the LP,
>>> > demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd later raise
>>> > the
>>> > money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons. Even if
>>> they
>>> > could have done it (dubious), the party's not particularly
>>> > interested
>>> > in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an exorbitant
>>> > speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic] Caucus would
>>> > like to raise and spend that much money and rent a room in New
>>> > Orleans
>>> > and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that. There's nothing
>>> > stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian candidates who
>>> > could
>>> > better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There are races
>>> that
>>> > could be won on less money than that.
>>> > And if he desires it enough to say he's coming regardless, I have
>>> > little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the main-stage. It was
>>> > just
>>> > at the last convention that we gave him an award that he accepted
>>> > via
>>> > video message, after all. (An award given with some fair internal
>>> > grumbling over his lack of support for the party or any of its
>>> > candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
>>> Republicans).
>>> > Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul himself expressed
>>> no
>>> > interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he still hasn't.
>>> > The whole point of this exercise was never to actually have him
>>> > speak,
>>> > but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy, and that
>>> > intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of gripes about
>>> > the
>>> > party's management and operations and convention-planning, but
>>> this
>>> > whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the convention don't
>>> > really
>>> > matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody from the LP
>>> told
>>> > Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
>>> > -Nick
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM, <[3]arvin.vohra at lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek clarification.
>>> > >
>>> > > [4]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
>>> > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > References
>>> >
>>> > 1. mailto:chair at lp.org
>>> > 2. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442
>>> 695418584
>>> > 3. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
>>> > 4. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-wont-let
>>> -ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
>>>
>>
>>
>
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was not were
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
How about this?
No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
convention. Some interested members spoke to Paul's booking agent who
indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee of $35,000
were paid. This agent also represents Judge Napolitano. These members
asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would raise the
money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way. Also, raising
that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians would mean that
there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in 2018 and we
have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are interested for
a much lower (or no) fee. If the members raise the money and Paul
comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be made for him
gladly. We gave Paul an award last year for his long-standing
contributions to liberty. Paul himself has never contacted the LP to
indicate personal interest and was never told he was unwelcome.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
That post gets a bit personal. I guess I will edit it down to just the
facts and reword.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[3]chair at lp.org>
wrote:
What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual members
who
have asked me to comment.
-Nick
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> Nick do we have an official statement that I can send to
members who
> ask? Or something you summed up?
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
<[1][5]chair at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> “A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its
boots on.”
> Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation in a
Facebook post
> (
> [2][6]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 947442695418584
> ) that I've copied and pasted below:
> "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the LP
> convention.
> Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a stink, spoke
to
> Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's usual
> speaking
> fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a booking
agent.
> (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and mentioned that).
> This
> group then went to the folks handling the convention for the LP,
> demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd later
raise
> the
> money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons. Even if
they
> could have done it (dubious), the party's not particularly
> interested
> in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an exorbitant
> speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic] Caucus
would
> like to raise and spend that much money and rent a room in New
> Orleans
> and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that. There's
nothing
> stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian candidates who
> could
> better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There are races
that
> could be won on less money than that.
> And if he desires it enough to say he's coming regardless, I
have
> little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the main-stage. It
was
> just
> at the last convention that we gave him an award that he
accepted
> via
> video message, after all. (An award given with some fair
internal
> grumbling over his lack of support for the party or any of its
> candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
Republicans).
> Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul himself
expressed no
> interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he still
hasn't.
> The whole point of this exercise was never to actually have him
> speak,
> but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy, and that
> intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of gripes
about
> the
> party's management and operations and convention-planning, but
this
> whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the convention don't
> really
> matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody from the LP
told
> Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
> -Nick
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM, <[3][7]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
wrote:
> > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
clarification.
> >
> > [4][8]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> >
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[9]chair at lp.org
> 2. [10]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> 3. mailto:[11]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 4. [12]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
/02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
References
1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:chair at lp.org
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:chair at lp.org
6. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
7. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
8. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
9. mailto:chair at lp.org
10. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
11. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
12. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
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