[Lnc-business] I assume this is Liberty Hangout's Republican Lies
Nicholas Sarwark
chair at lp.org
Sun Feb 4 12:37:06 EST 2018
Official statements made, spread them as far and wide as you'd like.
https://twitter.com/nsarwark/status/960022266539950081
https://www.facebook.com/nsarwark/posts/1213807062085979
-Nick
On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Steven Nekhaila <steven.nekhaila at lp.org> wrote:
> I concur,
>
> A lie will get half way around the world before the truth has a chance
> to get its pants on. Perhaps, making an officially statement clarifying
> what really happened is in order, perhaps pre-faced by the Chair, on
> our official social media platforms may be in order. A lot of party
> members are upset, in Florida included, it may be wise to set the
> record straight. We have the opportunity to control the response and
> set the timing and the message, lets take it.
>
> In Liberty,
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative Alternate
> impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
> “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
> On Feb 4, 2018 at 11:27 AM, <[1]Patrick Mcknight> wrote:
>
> This story is going viral and giving us alot of bad press. I think we
> need to clarify that nobody was "banned", we simply couldn't afford a
> $35,000 speaking fee.
> Thanks,
> Patrick McKnight
> Region 8 Rep
> Chair, NJLP
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[1]chair at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> It appears accurate to me, not sure what else would be necessary to
> say.
> -Nick
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > Would that summary be accurate? Is there anything else relevant
> to
> > add? I only first heard of this today and have been pretty busy
> to
> > look into it.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> <[1][3]chair at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > You are free to send what you'd like to members who ask you.
> > As I've had to explain more often than I'd like over the last
> month
> > or
> > two, I'm not the boss of any other LNC member or officer.
> > -Nick
> > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[2][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > > How about this?
> > > No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking at the
> LP
> > > convention. Some interested members spoke to Paul's
> booking
> > agent who
> > > indicated that Paul might be interested if his speaking fee
> of
> > $35,000
> > > were paid. This agent also represents Judge Napolitano.
> These
> > members
> > > asked for Paul to be put on the agenda and said they would
> > raise the
> > > money. Convention agendas cannot be planned in that way.
> Also,
> > raising
> > > that kind of money for a speaker fee from Libertarians
> would
> > mean that
> > > there is less funds for very worthy candidates running in
> 2018
> > and we
> > > have a lot of talented and informative speakers who are
> > interested for
> > > a much lower (or no) fee. If the members raise the money
> and
> > Paul
> > > comes, it is extremely unlikely that a spot would not be
> made
> > for him
> > > gladly. We gave Paul an award last year for his
> long-standing
> > > contributions to liberty. Paul himself has never contacted
> the
> > LP to
> > > indicate personal interest and was never told he was
> unwelcome.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > <[1][3][5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > That post gets a bit personal. I guess I will edit it down
> to
> > just the
> > > facts and reword.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> > <[2][4][6]chair at lp.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > What I sent to the list is what I have sent to individual
> > members
> > > who
> > > have asked me to comment.
> > > -Nick
> > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > <[3][5][7]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > > > Nick do we have an official statement that I can
> send to
> > > members who
> > > > ask? Or something you summed up?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:23 PM, Nicholas Sarwark
> > > <[1][4][6][8]chair at lp.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > “A lie will go round the world while truth is
> pulling
> > its
> > > boots on.”
> > > > Andy Craig from Wisconsin summed up the situation
> in a
> > > Facebook post
> > > > (
> > > > [2][5][7][9]https://www.facebook.
> > com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> >
> > >
> > > > 947442695418584
> > > > ) that I've copied and pasted below:
> > > > "No, Ron Paul wasn't banned or rejected from speaking
> at
> > the LP
> > > > convention.
> > > > Some folks with no real agenda other than causing a
> stink,
> > spoke
> > > to
> > > > Paul's booking agent, who expressed interest if Paul's
> > usual
> > > > speaking
> > > > fee was paid ($35,000), because that's the job of a
> booking
> > > agent.
> > > > (The same agent also reps Judge Napolitano, and
> mentioned
> > that).
> > > > This
> > > > group then went to the folks handling the convention
> for
> > the LP,
> > > > demanded Paul be put on the agenda, and claimed they'd
> > later
> > > raise
> > > > the
> > > > money to pay him. LP didn't bite, for obvious reasons.
> Even
> > if
> > > they
> > > > could have done it (dubious), the party's not
> particularly
> > > > interested
> > > > in seeing Libertarian donors diverted to pay for an
> > exorbitant
> > > > speaking fee with no real benefit. If the Mises [sic]
> > Caucus
> > > would
> > > > like to raise and spend that much money and rent a
> room in
> > New
> > > > Orleans
> > > > and have Paul speak... well, good luck with that.
> There's
> > > nothing
> > > > stopping them, though I know a lot of Libertarian
> > candidates who
> > > > could
> > > > better spend that money in the 2018 elections. There
> are
> > races
> > > that
> > > > could be won on less money than that.
> > > > And if he desires it enough to say he's coming
> regardless,
> > I
> > > have
> > > > little doubt Paul would be given a slot on the
> main-stage.
> > It
> > > was
> > > > just
> > > > at the last convention that we gave him an award that
> he
> > > accepted
> > > > via
> > > > video message, after all. (An award given with some
> fair
> > > internal
> > > > grumbling over his lack of support for the party or
> any of
> > its
> > > > candidates, while still often endorsing and supporting
> > > Republicans).
> > > > Short version: much ado about nothing. Ron Paul
> himself
> > > expressed no
> > > > interest in wanting to speak in New Orleans, and he
> still
> > > hasn't.
> > > > The whole point of this exercise was never to actually
> have
> > him
> > > > speak,
> > > > but rather to frame a purely manufactured controversy,
> and
> > that
> > > > intention is absurdly transparent. I've had plenty of
> > gripes
> > > about
> > > > the
> > > > party's management and operations and
> convention-planning,
> > but
> > > this
> > > > whole thing is nonsense. Speaking slots at the
> convention
> > don't
> > > > really
> > > > matter that much (I had one last time!), and nobody
> from
> > the LP
> > > told
> > > > Paul he was unwelcome in New Orleans."
> > > > -Nick
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:32 PM,
> > <[3][6][8][10]arvin.vohra at lp.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > But since people are asking, I thought I'd seek
> > > clarification.
> > > > >
> > > > > [4][7][9][11]http://libertyhangout.
> > org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > > > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > References
> > > >
> > > > 1. mailto:[8][10][12]chair at lp.org
> > > > 2. [9][11][13]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> > > w.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> > > > 3. mailto:[10][12][14]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > > 4. [11][13][15]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> > > /02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-
> > convention/
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[14][16]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > > 2. mailto:[15][17]chair at lp.org
> > > 3. mailto:[16][18]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > > 4. mailto:[17][19]chair at lp.org
> > > 5. [18][20]https://www.facebook.com/
> Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > > 6. mailto:[19][21]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > 7. [20][22]http://libertyhangout.org/
> 2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > > 8. mailto:[21][23]chair at lp.org
> > > 9. [22][24]https://www.facebook.com/
> Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 947442695418584
> > > 10. mailto:[23][25]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > > 11. [24][26]http://libertyhangout.org/
> 2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[27]chair at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[28]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[29]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:[30]chair at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:[31]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 6. mailto:[32]chair at lp.org
> > 7. [33]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 8. mailto:[34]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 9. [35]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > 10. mailto:[36]chair at lp.org
> > 11. [37]https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> > 12. mailto:[38]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 13. [39]http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> > 14. mailto:[40]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 15. mailto:[41]chair at lp.org
> > 16. mailto:[42]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 17. mailto:[43]chair at lp.org
> > 18. [44]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> > 19. mailto:[45]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 20. [46]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> > 21. mailto:[47]chair at lp.org
> > 22. [48]https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 947442695418584
> > 23. mailto:[49]arvin.vohra at lp.org
> > 24. [50]http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> wont-let-ron-paul-speak-national-convention/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 5. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 6. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 7. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 8. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 9. https://www.facebook/
> 10. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 11. http://libertyhangout/
> 12. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 13. https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> 14. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 15. http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> 16. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 17. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 18. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 19. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 20. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 21. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 22. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> 23. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 24. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 25. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 26. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> 27. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 28. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 29. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 30. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 31. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 32. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 33. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 34. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 35. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> 36. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 37. https://www.facebook.com/Andre
> 38. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 39. http://libertyhangout.org/2018
> 40. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 41. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 42. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 43. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 44. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/
> 45. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 46. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-
> 47. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 48. https://www.facebook.com/Andrew.Craig.Dixie.Pug/posts/947442695418584
> 49. mailto:arvin.vohra at lp.org
> 50. http://libertyhangout.org/2018/02/libertarian-party-wont-let-ron-paul-spea
> k-national-convention/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com
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