[Lnc-business] Question on 2018 Delegate Allocations and Region Formation Pamphlet

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Mon Feb 12 09:37:47 EST 2018


Thank you.  Without watermarking it, it might be helpful to insert a cover
page before it clearly identifying it as a proposed sample.

But my concern in general remains - as you say - many will just use that
form.  Should we influence their form and function to that extent?  Perhaps
a much simpler form just covering the minimal basics be suggested with a
checklist of items that might want to be considered if a region is creating
their own form?


On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:11 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
wrote:

>    On page 4 of that delegate allocation document, please note the
>    following paragraph (underline added for emphasis):
>    "Some regions opt to use regional formation agreements to document
>    mutually agreed upon rules for their region before any future disputes
>    arise. A recommended basic regional agreement is included at the end of
>    this document, though you are not required to use this particular one
>    or any one at all."
>    I don't watermark it with "DRAFT" because some regions just want to
>    print the page as is and use it.  If they want to use some, but not
>    all, it's easy to copy/paste the language they want into another
>    document.
>    Spanning pages 3-4 of the document, it explains that there is a time
>    period in which regions may be formed or dissolved.  Thus the language
>    about "if the National Bylaws so permit".
>    -Alicia
>
>    On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>    <[1]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         I know that the Delegation Chair Manual is to be released later
>      (and I
>         do not have a copy of the 2016 Delegate Allocations and Region
>         Formation Pamphlet) but there appear to be some differences that
>      I was
>         curious about.  In the 2016 Delegation Chair Manual, the attached
>      form
>         was included re: region formations, but it is not included in
>      this
>         pamphlet. Is it because it is just more relevant to the later
>      manual?
>         Here are the questions I have about the actual "Libertarian Party
>         Region Formation Agreement" from the 2018 document (a copy of
>      that page
>         is also attached);
>         1.  Why does this form not say "sample" or "proposed"?  It gives
>      the
>         impression that this is a required format, and I don't see where
>      we are
>         authorized to do that.  The regional states may not know that
>      they can
>         agree to different multiple different terms such as removal and
>         replacement as per our Bylaws (or at least that is my reading - I
>      am
>         open to correction here).  I think the way this is presented
>      heavily
>         influences regions to use that specific agreement, and the second
>         paragraph pretty specifically states that this exact agreement
>      has to
>         be signed.  Where do we have that authority?
>         2.  In the fourth paragraph there are specific rules for
>      withdrawing
>         and joining regions after nominations have started "if the
>      National
>         Bylaws so permit."  But the National Bylaws don't get that
>      specific so
>         do they "allow" or not - why not just say something more
>      general?  But
>         what right do we have to have such a requirement at all in this
>         agreement?
>         3.  Paragraph 3 gives some rules for elections, such as requiring
>      a
>         ballot if it is a contested race, but Convention Rule 8 seems to
>      give a
>         lot more flexibility than that (and allows for the possibility of
>      this
>         specific agreement not being signed).
>         So as I am beginning talks with states to form a representative
>      region
>         I would like these issues cleared up as the current Regional 1
>      states
>         may wish to draw up their own agreement (and so might others).
>      Also I
>         am answering questions from members on this, so I would like some
>         clarity as soon as possible.
>         --
>         In Liberty,
>         Caryn Ann Harlos
>         Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>         Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>      Washington)
>         - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>         Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>         Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>         A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>         We defend your rights
>         And oppose the use of force
>         Taxation is theft
>      References
>         1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>         2. [3]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    3. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
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   Thank you.  Without watermarking it, it might be helpful to insert a
   cover page before it clearly identifying it as a proposed sample.

   But my concern in general remains - as you say - many will just use
   that form.  Should we influence their form and function to that
   extent?  Perhaps a much simpler form just covering the minimal basics
   be suggested with a checklist of items that might want to be considered
   if a region is creating their own form?

   On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:11 AM Alicia Mattson
   <[1]alicia.mattson at lp.org> wrote:

        On page 4 of that delegate allocation document, please note the
        following paragraph (underline added for emphasis):
        "Some regions opt to use regional formation agreements to
     document
        mutually agreed upon rules for their region before any future
     disputes
        arise. A recommended basic regional agreement is included at the
     end of
        this document, though you are not required to use this particular
     one
        or any one at all."
        I don't watermark it with "DRAFT" because some regions just want
     to
        print the page as is and use it.  If they want to use some, but
     not
        all, it's easy to copy/paste the language they want into another
        document.
        Spanning pages 3-4 of the document, it explains that there is a
     time
        period in which regions may be formed or dissolved.  Thus the
     language
        about "if the National Bylaws so permit".
        -Alicia
        On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
        <[1][2]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
             I know that the Delegation Chair Manual is to be released
     later
          (and I
             do not have a copy of the 2016 Delegate Allocations and
     Region
             Formation Pamphlet) but there appear to be some differences
     that
          I was
             curious about.  In the 2016 Delegation Chair Manual, the
     attached
          form
             was included re: region formations, but it is not included
     in
          this
             pamphlet. Is it because it is just more relevant to the
     later
          manual?
             Here are the questions I have about the actual "Libertarian
     Party
             Region Formation Agreement" from the 2018 document (a copy
     of
          that page
             is also attached);
             1.  Why does this form not say "sample" or "proposed"?  It
     gives
          the
             impression that this is a required format, and I don't see
     where
          we are
             authorized to do that.  The regional states may not know
     that
          they can
             agree to different multiple different terms such as removal
     and
             replacement as per our Bylaws (or at least that is my
     reading - I
          am
             open to correction here).  I think the way this is presented
          heavily
             influences regions to use that specific agreement, and the
     second
             paragraph pretty specifically states that this exact
     agreement
          has to
             be signed.  Where do we have that authority?
             2.  In the fourth paragraph there are specific rules for
          withdrawing
             and joining regions after nominations have started "if the
          National
             Bylaws so permit."  But the National Bylaws don't get that
          specific so
             do they "allow" or not - why not just say something more
          general?  But
             what right do we have to have such a requirement at all in
     this
             agreement?
             3.  Paragraph 3 gives some rules for elections, such as
     requiring
          a
             ballot if it is a contested race, but Convention Rule 8
     seems to
          give a
             lot more flexibility than that (and allows for the
     possibility of
          this
             specific agreement not being signed).
             So as I am beginning talks with states to form a
     representative
          region
             I would like these issues cleared up as the current Regional
     1
          states
             may wish to draw up their own agreement (and so might
     others).
          Also I
             am answering questions from members on this, so I would like
     some
             clarity as soon as possible.
             --
             In Liberty,
             Caryn Ann Harlos
             Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
     (Alaska,
             Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
          Washington)
             - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
             Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
             Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
             A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
             We defend your rights
             And oppose the use of force
             Taxation is theft
          References
             1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
             2. [3][3]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     References
        1. mailto:[4]carynannharlos at gmail.com
        2. mailto:[5]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        3. [6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/

References

   1. mailto:alicia.mattson at lp.org
   2. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
   3. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
   4. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
   5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/


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