[Lnc-business] Question on 2018 Delegate Allocations and Region Formation Pamphlet
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Mon Feb 12 09:37:47 EST 2018
Thank you. Without watermarking it, it might be helpful to insert a cover
page before it clearly identifying it as a proposed sample.
But my concern in general remains - as you say - many will just use that
form. Should we influence their form and function to that extent? Perhaps
a much simpler form just covering the minimal basics be suggested with a
checklist of items that might want to be considered if a region is creating
their own form?
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:11 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
wrote:
> On page 4 of that delegate allocation document, please note the
> following paragraph (underline added for emphasis):
> "Some regions opt to use regional formation agreements to document
> mutually agreed upon rules for their region before any future disputes
> arise. A recommended basic regional agreement is included at the end of
> this document, though you are not required to use this particular one
> or any one at all."
> I don't watermark it with "DRAFT" because some regions just want to
> print the page as is and use it. If they want to use some, but not
> all, it's easy to copy/paste the language they want into another
> document.
> Spanning pages 3-4 of the document, it explains that there is a time
> period in which regions may be formed or dissolved. Thus the language
> about "if the National Bylaws so permit".
> -Alicia
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I know that the Delegation Chair Manual is to be released later
> (and I
> do not have a copy of the 2016 Delegate Allocations and Region
> Formation Pamphlet) but there appear to be some differences that
> I was
> curious about. In the 2016 Delegation Chair Manual, the attached
> form
> was included re: region formations, but it is not included in
> this
> pamphlet. Is it because it is just more relevant to the later
> manual?
> Here are the questions I have about the actual "Libertarian Party
> Region Formation Agreement" from the 2018 document (a copy of
> that page
> is also attached);
> 1. Why does this form not say "sample" or "proposed"? It gives
> the
> impression that this is a required format, and I don't see where
> we are
> authorized to do that. The regional states may not know that
> they can
> agree to different multiple different terms such as removal and
> replacement as per our Bylaws (or at least that is my reading - I
> am
> open to correction here). I think the way this is presented
> heavily
> influences regions to use that specific agreement, and the second
> paragraph pretty specifically states that this exact agreement
> has to
> be signed. Where do we have that authority?
> 2. In the fourth paragraph there are specific rules for
> withdrawing
> and joining regions after nominations have started "if the
> National
> Bylaws so permit." But the National Bylaws don't get that
> specific so
> do they "allow" or not - why not just say something more
> general? But
> what right do we have to have such a requirement at all in this
> agreement?
> 3. Paragraph 3 gives some rules for elections, such as requiring
> a
> ballot if it is a contested race, but Convention Rule 8 seems to
> give a
> lot more flexibility than that (and allows for the possibility of
> this
> specific agreement not being signed).
> So as I am beginning talks with states to form a representative
> region
> I would like these issues cleared up as the current Regional 1
> states
> may wish to draw up their own agreement (and so might others).
> Also I
> am answering questions from members on this, so I would like some
> clarity as soon as possible.
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 2. [3]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 3. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
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Thank you. Without watermarking it, it might be helpful to insert a
cover page before it clearly identifying it as a proposed sample.
But my concern in general remains - as you say - many will just use
that form. Should we influence their form and function to that
extent? Perhaps a much simpler form just covering the minimal basics
be suggested with a checklist of items that might want to be considered
if a region is creating their own form?
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:11 AM Alicia Mattson
<[1]alicia.mattson at lp.org> wrote:
On page 4 of that delegate allocation document, please note the
following paragraph (underline added for emphasis):
"Some regions opt to use regional formation agreements to
document
mutually agreed upon rules for their region before any future
disputes
arise. A recommended basic regional agreement is included at the
end of
this document, though you are not required to use this particular
one
or any one at all."
I don't watermark it with "DRAFT" because some regions just want
to
print the page as is and use it. If they want to use some, but
not
all, it's easy to copy/paste the language they want into another
document.
Spanning pages 3-4 of the document, it explains that there is a
time
period in which regions may be formed or dissolved. Thus the
language
about "if the National Bylaws so permit".
-Alicia
On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][2]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
I know that the Delegation Chair Manual is to be released
later
(and I
do not have a copy of the 2016 Delegate Allocations and
Region
Formation Pamphlet) but there appear to be some differences
that
I was
curious about. In the 2016 Delegation Chair Manual, the
attached
form
was included re: region formations, but it is not included
in
this
pamphlet. Is it because it is just more relevant to the
later
manual?
Here are the questions I have about the actual "Libertarian
Party
Region Formation Agreement" from the 2018 document (a copy
of
that page
is also attached);
1. Why does this form not say "sample" or "proposed"? It
gives
the
impression that this is a required format, and I don't see
where
we are
authorized to do that. The regional states may not know
that
they can
agree to different multiple different terms such as removal
and
replacement as per our Bylaws (or at least that is my
reading - I
am
open to correction here). I think the way this is presented
heavily
influences regions to use that specific agreement, and the
second
paragraph pretty specifically states that this exact
agreement
has to
be signed. Where do we have that authority?
2. In the fourth paragraph there are specific rules for
withdrawing
and joining regions after nominations have started "if the
National
Bylaws so permit." But the National Bylaws don't get that
specific so
do they "allow" or not - why not just say something more
general? But
what right do we have to have such a requirement at all in
this
agreement?
3. Paragraph 3 gives some rules for elections, such as
requiring
a
ballot if it is a contested race, but Convention Rule 8
seems to
give a
lot more flexibility than that (and allows for the
possibility of
this
specific agreement not being signed).
So as I am beginning talks with states to form a
representative
region
I would like these issues cleared up as the current Regional
1
states
may wish to draw up their own agreement (and so might
others).
Also I
am answering questions from members on this, so I would like
some
clarity as soon as possible.
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
2. [3][3]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. mailto:[4]carynannharlos at gmail.com
2. mailto:[5]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
3. [6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. mailto:alicia.mattson at lp.org
2. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
3. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
4. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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