[Lnc-business] Caryn Ann Harlos fundraising and membership recruitment
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Feb 23 17:58:22 EST 2018
Caryn Ann,
I think the reaction by many on the LNC should let you know that this
isn't something many on the LNC knew about. As many of us would have
wanted this discussed.
As for the .65 steemit account funds, I'm only aware, since you wrote
about it in the national Admin group for social media. There are
probably people on the LNC who didn't see that. Nor, have I seen any FB
writings about you being reimbursed to attend two state conventions
within your regions. Because, I would have raised my objections to this
board if I'd known.
That you're saying the Chair knew and approved, in my mind, only makes
it worse. There was no outright effort to inform this board. An after
the fact, information dump, only due to someone objecting, isn't
transparency.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-02-23 17:20, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> As to disclosure issue- it was approved by the ED. The Chair was in
> that loop. The whole arc of fundraising was to start involving
> board
> members more.
> Considering I disclosed pennies on a steemit video this certainly is
> not some grand omission. When I am given official sanction to do
> something by the Party - and everything is approved by Chair or
> Treasurer - it isn’t something that is a conflict which is to
> disclose
> unknown or potentially unknown things. The Party asked me. It is
> on
> financial statements. The Chair and Treasurer were aware. I openly
> talked about it on Facebook.
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:10 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Elizabeth I am shocked frankly at an ability to read something
> sinister
> but not everything.
> My comment to the Platform Committee had ZERO intentions of that.
> I have already clearly stated here that recruitment trips are just
> that
> and nothing more. My comment was simply and only how I would spend
> my
> time. Which I do at every event.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joshua Katz
> <[2]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with most of Ms. Van Horn's points, although I'd
> emphasize that
> my issue is more about disclosure of potential issues to the
> board
> ahead of time and the potential fiduciary issues I see here. I
> explained some, I can find more. The solution to that is, in
> the
> future, disclosure to the board of transactions involving LNC
> members,
> and the orientation I mentioned earlier. Anyway, I am writing
> to
> express disagreement with one point: I almost always disagree
> with
> clawbacks or requested clawbacks absent actual malfeasance. I
> would
> disagree with requesting the return of funds or stopping funds
> in
> progress.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[1][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> Wes, here's my feedback, and I don't mind saying that I was
> shocked
> to read that an LNC member is being reimbursed to attend
> state
> conventions within their own region.
> Dear LNC,
> Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of dues-paying
> members by
> attending state conventions and getting people to join
> or
> renew.
> At first, she did this at state conventions she was
> attending
> in her
> region at her own expense.
> I've no problem with this. LNC representatives often attend
> state
> conventions within their own region, and if she works to
> boost
> national membership while there, that's cool.<<<
> Her results were so strong that I asked her if she would
> be
> willing
> to go to some other states outside of her region to do
> similar
> fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> reimbursed.
> < This is something that should have been told to the LNC,
> and
> even
> discussed. Why are we only finding this out, after someone
> inquired? Where's the transparency?<<<
> We have been struggling to keep membership from falling.
> We
> send
> renewal emails and renewal letters that perform
> reasonably
> well
> but
> pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we try
> have
> very
> low
> ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively strong.
> Caryn Ann attended the Washington State convention last
> weekend
> and
> recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the national
> LP.
> That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her for her
> travel.
> I have a problem with this. Many LNC Regional
> Representatives
> will attend state conventions within their region. If any of
> them
> do membership recruiting for national while there, that's
> something
> they choose to do. Are you suggesting that Caryn Ann
> wouldn't
> have
> tried to boost membership at a state convention within her
> region,
> if she wasn't reimbursed? Because, I doubt that. This was
> something she was doing as she chose to do, while attending
> conventions within her own region. This isn't something that
> an
> LNC
> member should be reimbursed for. <<<
> I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state conventions to
> have
> her do
> this work. No one else has done this as successfully as
> Caryn
> Ann.
> Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for her
> time.
> Wes, you don't know what others have done regarding
> recruiting,
> as
> most people do it as a normal part of being in the LP. I,
> nor
> most
> others, keep a log of the people we've gotten to join the LP,
> as I
> see it as a given this is done.<<<
> Wes, do you know why my own state affiliate has let national
> membership drop? Because, they're unhappy with the national
> LP. At
> my last state convention, our officers said that they want
> people to
> keep state memberships current, but national doesn't do
> anything for
> them, so they don't care much about that. I had to mention
> that our
> delegate count is tied to national membership, and since
> then,
> I
> followed -up on that, but our numbers still have dropped.
> I've
> been
> thinking of a way to reverse that, but if LPIN is successful
> in
> reversing that trend, it's because our volunteers are
> passionate
> about the LP and liberty actions. Not because anyone is
> being
> reimbursed for the expenses of travel and time. (My state
> isn't the
> only one that feels this way, btw)<<<
> For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take the
> time
> to
> attend,
> I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears. The thing
> with
> Jess
> is that we pay her for her hours to travel, attend, and
> return
> from
> state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high of a
> ROI.
> I personally wouldn't send anyone to state conventions to
> boost
> national membership, if the national LP is paying for it.
> Instead,
> we should work to create a better LP that's responsive to
> it's
> members and the public, and we grow through people seeking to
> join
> us. Organic growth.<<<
> I received a complaint today that it is inappropriate
> for
> someone
> running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> reimbursed.
> I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think it's a
> violation
> of our policies.
> It's a matter of principal. Byreimbursing Caryn Ann Harlos
> for
> traveling to state conventions within her own region, the LP
> is
> subsidizing her efforts as a regional representative. This is
> inappropriate.<<<
> Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> feedback. If
> you
> request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any other
> LNC
> member
> to state conventions for the purpose of recruiting
> dues-paying
> members, we can end the program.
> Yes, I'm requesting a stop to reimbursing LNC members for
> travel to
> state conventions within their own region. I also am
> requesting
> that Caryn Ann repay the LP for the reimbursement costs of
> any
> state
> conventions she attended within her region.
> As for "sending her" to other state conventions, this should
> be
> discussed by the LNC.<<<
> A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to go to
> state
> convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> members--why
> don't
> you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved her
> willingness
> and capability within her own region. No other LNC
> members
> have
> mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying members from
> their
> states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together are not able
> to
> attend
> every state convention. If you are interested in
> helping,
> and
> willing to prove your ability first at a state in your
> region
> or at
> another state at your own expense, let me know and we
> might be
> able
> to try that. And then we can report the results.
> Wes, I know a woman who renewed her membership due to a FB
> post
> that Andy Craig made. (She publicly wrote that he's the
> reason
> she
> renewed) I'd wager that Andy is responsible for quite a
> number of
> people renewing or joining the LP. As Andy's an excellent
> advocate
> for the cause that is the LP. If you want to find someone
> who's out
> there building up hope in the LP, and getting people on
> board,
> he's
> the one. You probably don't know this stuff, as Andy doesn't
> seek
> to be recognized for his efforts, he probably sees it as
> normal
> for
> people who support the LP.
> Nor, do I know of others within the LP who keep track of how
> many
> people they've recruited. So, your statement asking people
> to
> "prove your ability", is moot.<<<
> (truncated)
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-02-22 22:56, Wes Benedict wrote:
> Dear LNC,
> Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of dues-paying
> members by
> attending state conventions and getting people to join
> or
> renew.
> At first, she did this at state conventions she was
> attending
> in her
> region at her own expense.
> Her results were so strong that I asked her if she would
> be
> willing
> to go to some other states outside of her region to do
> similar
> fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> reimbursed.
> We have been struggling to keep membership from falling.
> We
> send
> renewal emails and renewal letters that perform
> reasonably
> well
> but
> pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we try
> have
> very
> low
> ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively strong.
> Caryn Ann attended the Washington State convention last
> weekend
> and
> recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the national
> LP.
> That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her for her
> travel.
> I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state conventions to
> have
> her do
> this work. No one else has done this as successfully as
> Caryn
> Ann.
> Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for her
> time.
> For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take the
> time
> to
> attend,
> I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears. The thing
> with
> Jess
> is that we pay her for her hours to travel, attend, and
> return
> from
> state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high of a
> ROI.
> I received a complaint today that it is inappropriate
> for
> someone
> running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> reimbursed.
> I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think it's a
> violation
> of our policies.
> Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> feedback. If
> you
> request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any other
> LNC
> member
> to state conventions for the purpose of recruiting
> dues-paying
> members, we can end the program.
> A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to go to
> state
> convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> members--why
> don't
> you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved her
> willingness
> and capability within her own region. No other LNC
> members
> have
> mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying members from
> their
> states. Cary[2]n Ann and Jess Mears together are not
> able
> to
> attend
> every state convention. If you are interested in
> helping,
> and
> willing to prove your ability first at a state in your
> region
> or at
> another state at your own expense, let me know and we
> might be
> able
> to try that. And then we can report the results.
> Below is a report from Robert Kraus with some of the
> fundraising
> results from Caryn Ann.
> I welcome your feedback.
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> [3](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [1][4][4]wes.benedict at lp.org
> [2][5][5]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
> [3][6][6]http://lp.org/membership
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Harlos Fundraising
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
> From: Robert S. Kraus [4]<[7][7]robert.kraus at lp.org>
> To: Wes Benedict [5]<[8][8]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> I have [9]Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total of $2,335.00
> for 82
> members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks have also
> contributed
> a
> net total excluding conv related gifts of $6,261.74 since
> 2016
> convention - bunch of them to Hist Preservation of course so
> she has
> her
> fans)
> In addition she is likely 95% responsible for the $12,120
> raised for
> Historic Preservation
> Finally she has given $2181 herself since the 2016 convention
> (non
> convention related - however $1525 was for Hist Preservation)
> --
> Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
> [6]Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke Street
> Alexandria, VA 22314
> Ph: [10]202.333.0008 x 231
> References
> 1. mailto:[11][9]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 2. [12][10]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 3. [13][11]http://lp.org/membership
> 4. mailto:[14][12]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[15][13]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 6. mailto:[16]Operations at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[14]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 2.
>
> [15]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
> ntry=gmail&source=g
> 3. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 4. mailto:[16]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 5. [17]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 6. [18]http://lp.org/membership
> 7. mailto:[19]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[20]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 9.
>
> [21]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
> l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> 10. tel:202.333.0008 x 231
> 11. mailto:[22]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 12. [23]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 13. [24]http://lp.org/membership
> 14. mailto:[25]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 15. mailto:[26]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 16. mailto:[27]Operations at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 4. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 5. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 6. http://lp.org/membership
> 7. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 8. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 9. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 10. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 11. http://lp.org/membership
> 12. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 13. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 14. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 15.
> https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&entry=gmail&source=g
> 16. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 17. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 18. http://lp.org/membership
> 19. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 20. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 21.
> https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+total+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> 22. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 23. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 24. http://lp.org/membership
> 25. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 26. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 27. mailto:Operations at LP.org
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