[Lnc-business] Caryn Ann Harlos fundraising and membership recruitment
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Feb 23 18:03:28 EST 2018
Joshua, I have no idea why you're writing about "malice"? No one has
used such language. (Certainly not me.) I hope you're not casting
aspersion my way.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-02-23 17:29, Joshua Katz wrote:
> Okay, I will remember in the future. I don't care how I'm addressed
> one way or the other.
> Like I said, my distinction is not about quantity, it's about how it
> was spent. The ED and Ms. Harlos did not act with malice. The
> expenditures were, we're told, approved by the chair. Ms. Harlos
> acted
> in reliance on representations made to her. She is not the right
> place
> for this expenditure to fall, now that it's been made. Moving
> forward,
> the issue should be addressed.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Likewise, I agree with most of Joshua Katz's reply to me.
> It's returning funds that shouldn't have been disbursed. If the
> amount were large, like in the thousands, would you still not want
> it returned? What if it were 10K? I ask, as the amount of funds
> shouldn't' matter. It's the principal.
> (Also, I don't use "Ms" or other honorifics, my name is
> sufficient.
> If you wish to be addressed as Mr. Katz, I'm happy to do so, btw.)
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-02-23 16:54, Joshua Katz wrote:
>
> I agree with most of Ms. Van Horn's points, although I'd emphasize
> that
> my issue is more about disclosure of potential issues to the
> board
> ahead of time and the potential fiduciary issues I see here. I
> explained some, I can find more. The solution to that is, in
> the
> future, disclosure to the board of transactions involving LNC
> members,
> and the orientation I mentioned earlier. Anyway, I am writing
> to
> express disagreement with one point: I almost always disagree
> with
> clawbacks or requested clawbacks absent actual malfeasance. I
> would
> disagree with requesting the return of funds or stopping funds
> in
> progress.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> Wes, here's my feedback, and I don't mind saying that I was
> shocked
> to read that an LNC member is being reimbursed to attend state
> conventions within their own region.
> Dear LNC,
> Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of dues-paying
> members
> by
> attending state conventions and getting people to join or
> renew.
> At first, she did this at state conventions she was
> attending
> in her
> region at her own expense.
> I've no problem with this. LNC representatives often attend
> state
> conventions within their own region, and if she works to boost
> national membership while there, that's cool.<<<
> Her results were so strong that I asked her if she would
> be
> willing
> to go to some other states outside of her region to do
> similar
> fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> reimbursed.
> < This is something that should have been told to the LNC, and
> even
> discussed. Why are we only finding this out, after someone
> inquired? Where's the transparency?<<<
> We have been struggling to keep membership from falling.
> We
> send
> renewal emails and renewal letters that perform reasonably
> well
> but
> pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we try have
> very
> low
> ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively strong.
> Caryn Ann attended the Washington State convention last
> weekend
> and
> recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the national
> LP.
> That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her for her
> travel.
> I have a problem with this. Many LNC Regional
> Representatives
> will attend state conventions within their region. If any of
> them
> do membership recruiting for national while there, that's
> something
> they choose to do. Are you suggesting that Caryn Ann wouldn't
> have
> tried to boost membership at a state convention within her
> region,
> if she wasn't reimbursed? Because, I doubt that. This was
> something she was doing as she chose to do, while attending
> conventions within her own region. This isn't something that an
> LNC
> member should be reimbursed for. <<<
> I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state conventions to
> have
> her do
> this work. No one else has done this as successfully as
> Caryn
> Ann.
> Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for her time.
> Wes, you don't know what others have done regarding recruiting,
> as
> most people do it as a normal part of being in the LP. I, nor
> most
> others, keep a log of the people we've gotten to join the LP,
> as I
> see it as a given this is done.<<<
> Wes, do you know why my own state affiliate has let national
> membership drop? Because, they're unhappy with the national
> LP.
> At
> my last state convention, our officers said that they want
> people
> to
> keep state memberships current, but national doesn't do
> anything
> for
> them, so they don't care much about that. I had to mention
> that
> our
> delegate count is tied to national membership, and since then,
> I
> followed -up on that, but our numbers still have dropped. I've
> been
> thinking of a way to reverse that, but if LPIN is successful in
> reversing that trend, it's because our volunteers are
> passionate
> about the LP and liberty actions. Not because anyone is being
> reimbursed for the expenses of travel and time. (My state
> isn't
> the
> only one that feels this way, btw)<<<
> For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take the time
> to
> attend,
> I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears. The thing
> with
> Jess
> is that we pay her for her hours to travel, attend, and
> return
> from
> state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high of a ROI.
> I personally wouldn't send anyone to state conventions to
> boost
> national membership, if the national LP is paying for it.
> Instead,
> we should work to create a better LP that's responsive to it's
> members and the public, and we grow through people seeking to
> join
> us. Organic growth.<<<
> I received a complaint today that it is inappropriate for
> someone
> running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> reimbursed.
> I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think it's a
> violation
> of our policies.
> It's a matter of principal. Byreimbursing Caryn Ann Harlos for
> traveling to state conventions within her own region, the LP is
> subsidizing her efforts as a regional representative. This is
> inappropriate.<<<
> Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> feedback.
> If
> you
> request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any other
> LNC
> member
> to state conventions for the purpose of recruiting
> dues-paying
> members, we can end the program.
> Yes, I'm requesting a stop to reimbursing LNC members for
> travel
> to
> state conventions within their own region. I also am
> requesting
> that Caryn Ann repay the LP for the reimbursement costs of any
> state
> conventions she attended within her region.
> As for "sending her" to other state conventions, this should be
> discussed by the LNC.<<<
> A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to go to
> state
> convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> members--why
> don't
> you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved her
> willingness
> and capability within her own region. No other LNC members
> have
> mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying members from
> their
> states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together are not able to
> attend
> every state convention. If you are interested in helping,
> and
> willing to prove your ability first at a state in your
> region
> or at
> another state at your own expense, let me know and we
> might
> be
> able
> to try that. And then we can report the results.
> Wes, I know a woman who renewed her membership due to a FB
> post
> that Andy Craig made. (She publicly wrote that he's the reason
> she
> renewed) I'd wager that Andy is responsible for quite a
> number
> of
> people renewing or joining the LP. As Andy's an excellent
> advocate
> for the cause that is the LP. If you want to find someone
> who's
> out
> there building up hope in the LP, and getting people on board,
> he's
> the one. You probably don't know this stuff, as Andy doesn't
> seek
> to be recognized for his efforts, he probably sees it as normal
> for
> people who support the LP.
> Nor, do I know of others within the LP who keep track of how
> many
> people they've recruited. So, your statement asking people to
> "prove your ability", is moot.<<<
> (truncated)
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-02-22 22:56, Wes Benedict wrote:
> Dear LNC,
> Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of dues-paying
> members
> by
> attending state conventions and getting people to join or
> renew.
> At first, she did this at state conventions she was
> attending
> in her
> region at her own expense.
> Her results were so strong that I asked her if she would
> be
> willing
> to go to some other states outside of her region to do
> similar
> fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> reimbursed.
> We have been struggling to keep membership from falling.
> We
> send
> renewal emails and renewal letters that perform reasonably
> well
> but
> pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we try have
> very
> low
> ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively strong.
> Caryn Ann attended the Washington State convention last
> weekend
> and
> recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the national
> LP.
> That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her for her
> travel.
> I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state conventions to
> have
> her do
> this work. No one else has done this as successfully as
> Caryn
> Ann.
> Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for her time.
> For conventions tha[3]t Caryn Ann is unable to take the
> time
> to
> attend,
> I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears. The thing
> with
> Jess
> is that we pay her for her hours to travel, attend, and
> return
> from
> state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high of a ROI.
> I received a complaint today that it is inappropriate for
> someone
> running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> reimbursed.
> I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think it's a
> violation
> of our policies.
> Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> feedback.
> If
> you
> request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any other
> LNC
> member
> to state conventions for the purpose of recruiting
> dues-paying
> members, we can end the program.
> A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to go to
> state
> convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> members--why
> don't
> you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved her
> willingness
> and capability within her own region. No other LNC members
> have
> mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying members from
> their
>
> states. Cary[2]n Ann and Jess Mears together are not
> able
> to
> attend
> every state convention. If you are interested in
> helping,
> and
> willing to prove your ability first at a state in your
> region
> or at
> another state at your own expense, let me know and we
> might be
> able
> to try that. And then we can report the results.
> Below is a report from Robert Kraus with some of the
> fundraising
> results from Caryn Ann.
> I welcome your feedback.
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> [3][4](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [1][4][5]wes.benedict at lp.org
> [2][5][6]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
> [3][6][7]http://lp.org/membership
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Harlos Fundraising
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
> From: Robert S. Kraus [4]<[7][8]robert.kraus at lp.org>
> To: Wes Benedict [5]<[8][9]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> I have [9]Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total of $2,335.00
> for 82
> members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks have also
> contributed
> a
> net total excluding conv related gifts of $6,261.74 since
> 2016
> convention - bunch of them to Hist Preservation of course so
> she has
> her
> fans)
> In addition she is likely 95% responsible for the $12,120
> raised for
> Historic Preservation
> Finally she has given $2181 herself since the 2016 convention
> (non
> convention related - however $1525 was for Hist Preservation)
> --
> Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
> [6]Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke Street
> Alexandria, VA 22314
> Ph: [10]202.333.0008 x 231
> References
> 1. mailto:[11][10]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 2. [12][11]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 3. [13][12]http://lp.org/membership
> 4. mailto:[14][13]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[15][14]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 6. mailto:[16]Operations at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[15]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 2.
> [16]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are
> +n&entry=gmail&source=g
> 3. tel:[17](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 4. mailto:[18]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 5. [19]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 6. [20]http://lp.org/membership
> 7. mailto:[21]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[22]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 9.
> [23]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+
> total+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> 10. tel:[24]202.333.0008 x 231
> 11. mailto:[25]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 12. [26]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 13. [27]http://lp.org/membership
> 14. mailto:[28]robert.kraus at lp.org
> 15. mailto:[29]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 16. mailto:[30]Operations at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 3.
> https://maps.google.com/?q=t+Caryn+Ann+is+unable+to+take+the+t&entry=gmail&source=g
> 4. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 5. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 6. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 7. http://lp.org/membership
> 8. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 9. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 10. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 11. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 12. http://lp.org/membership
> 13. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 14. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 15. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 16.
> https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&entry=gmail&source=g
> 17. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 18. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 19. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 20. http://lp.org/membership
> 21. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 22. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 23.
> https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+total+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> 24. tel:202.333.0008 x 231
> 25. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 26. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 27. http://lp.org/membership
> 28. mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org
> 29. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 30. mailto:Operations at LP.org
More information about the Lnc-business
mailing list