[Lnc-business] Caryn Ann Harlos fundraising and membership recruitment
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Fri Feb 23 18:16:30 EST 2018
I didn't insinuate, I asked a direct question. As for the courtesy of a
direct inquiry, I suggest that all of this could have been avoided, with
the courtesy of direct communications with this board.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-02-23 18:02, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Like usual - I omitted a “no” - Joshua there is no moving forward at
> least with my volunteering on this. I will decline.
> I will do things on my own as I have done. Less effectively and
> less
> often but more peacefully.
> My integrity is my highest possession and to have an insinuation
> stated
> by a peer without even the courtesy of a direct inquiry is my cutoff
> point.
> It is said Libertarians have trouble accomplishing things and eat
> their
> own.
> QED.
> I never thought I would regret my recruiting success. The LP has
> surprised me once again.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:49 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Well, Caryn Ann, it's you who have used the word sinister, not I.
> You wrote:
> " My comment was simply and only how I would spend my time. Which
> I
> do
> at every event."
> In which case, you can do without being reimbursed, by the
> national
> LP.
> Glad we're in agreement.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-02-23 17:10, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > Elizabeth I am shocked frankly at an ability to read something
> sinister
> > but not everything.
> > My comment to the Platform Committee had ZERO intentions of
> that.
> > I have already clearly stated here that recruitment trips are
> just
> > that
> > and nothing more. My comment was simply and only how I would
> spend
> > my
> > time. Which I do at every event.
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joshua Katz
> > <[1][2]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with most of Ms. Van Horn's points, although I'd
> > emphasize that
> > my issue is more about disclosure of potential issues to
> the
> > board
> > ahead of time and the potential fiduciary issues I see
> here. I
> > explained some, I can find more. The solution to that
> is,
> in
> > the
> > future, disclosure to the board of transactions
> involving
> LNC
> > members,
> > and the orientation I mentioned earlier. Anyway, I am
> writing
> > to
> > express disagreement with one point: I almost always
> disagree
> > with
> > clawbacks or requested clawbacks absent actual
> malfeasance. I
> > would
> > disagree with requesting the return of funds or stopping
> funds
> > in
> > progress.
> > Joshua A. Katz
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> > <[1][2][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> > Wes, here's my feedback, and I don't mind saying that
> I
> was
> > shocked
> > to read that an LNC member is being reimbursed to
> attend
> > state
> > conventions within their own region.
> > Dear LNC,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
> dues-paying
> > members by
> > attending state conventions and getting people to
> join
> > or
> > renew.
> > At first, she did this at state conventions she
> was
> > attending
> > in her
> > region at her own expense.
> > I've no problem with this. LNC representatives often
> attend
> > state
> > conventions within their own region, and if she works
> to
> > boost
> > national membership while there, that's cool.<<<
> > Her results were so strong that I asked her if
> she
> would
> > be
> > willing
> > to go to some other states outside of her region
> to
> do
> > similar
> > fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> > reimbursed.
> > < This is something that should have been told to the
> LNC,
> > and
> > even
> > discussed. Why are we only finding this out, after
> someone
> > inquired? Where's the transparency?<<<
> > We have been struggling to keep membership from
> falling.
> > We
> > send
> > renewal emails and renewal letters that perform
> > reasonably
> > well
> > but
> > pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we
> try
> > have
> > very
> > low
> > ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
> strong.
> > Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
> convention
> last
> > weekend
> > and
> > recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the
> national
> > LP.
> > That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her
> for her
> > travel.
> > I have a problem with this. Many LNC Regional
> > Representatives
> > will attend state conventions within their region. If
> any of
> > them
> > do membership recruiting for national while there,
> that's
> > something
> > they choose to do. Are you suggesting that Caryn Ann
> > wouldn't
> > have
> > tried to boost membership at a state convention within
> her
> > region,
> > if she wasn't reimbursed? Because, I doubt that.
> This
> was
> > something she was doing as she chose to do, while
> attending
> > conventions within her own region. This isn't
> something
> that
> > an
> > LNC
> > member should be reimbursed for. <<<
> > I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
> conventions to
> > have
> > her do
> > this work. No one else has done this as
> successfully as
> > Caryn
> > Ann.
> > Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for
> her
> > time.
> > Wes, you don't know what others have done regarding
> > recruiting,
> > as
> > most people do it as a normal part of being in the LP.
> I,
> > nor
> > most
> > others, keep a log of the people we've gotten to join
> the LP,
> > as I
> > see it as a given this is done.<<<
> > Wes, do you know why my own state affiliate has let
> national
> > membership drop? Because, they're unhappy with the
> national
> > LP. At
> > my last state convention, our officers said that they
> want
> > people to
> > keep state memberships current, but national doesn't
> do
> > anything for
> > them, so they don't care much about that. I had to
> mention
> > that our
> > delegate count is tied to national membership, and
> since
> > then,
> > I
> > followed -up on that, but our numbers still have
> dropped.
> > I've
> > been
> > thinking of a way to reverse that, but if LPIN is
> successful
> > in
> > reversing that trend, it's because our volunteers are
> > passionate
> > about the LP and liberty actions. Not because anyone
> is
> > being
> > reimbursed for the expenses of travel and time. (My
> state
> > isn't the
> > only one that feels this way, btw)<<<
> > For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take
> the
> > time
> > to
> > attend,
> > I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears.
> The
> thing
> > with
> > Jess
> > is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
> attend,
> and
> > return
> > from
> > state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high
> of
> a
> > ROI.
> > I personally wouldn't send anyone to state
> conventions
> to
> > boost
> > national membership, if the national LP is paying for
> it.
> > Instead,
> > we should work to create a better LP that's responsive
> to
> > it's
> > members and the public, and we grow through people
> seeking to
> > join
> > us. Organic growth.<<<
> > I received a complaint today that it is
> inappropriate
> > for
> > someone
> > running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> > reimbursed.
> > I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think
> it's a
> > violation
> > of our policies.
> > It's a matter of principal. Byreimbursing Caryn Ann
> Harlos
> > for
> > traveling to state conventions within her own region,
> the LP
> > is
> > subsidizing her efforts as a regional representative.
> This is
> > inappropriate.<<<
> > Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> > feedback. If
> > you
> > request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any
> other
> > LNC
> > member
> > to state conventions for the purpose of
> recruiting
> > dues-paying
> > members, we can end the program.
> > Yes, I'm requesting a stop to reimbursing LNC members
> for
> > travel to
> > state conventions within their own region. I also am
> > requesting
> > that Caryn Ann repay the LP for the reimbursement
> costs
> of
> > any
> > state
> > conventions she attended within her region.
> > As for "sending her" to other state conventions, this
> should
> > be
> > discussed by the LNC.<<<
> > A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to
> go
> to
> > state
> > convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> > members--why
> > don't
> > you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved
> her
> > willingness
> > and capability within her own region. No other
> LNC
> > members
> > have
> > mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
> members
> from
> > their
> > states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together are not
> able
> > to
> > attend
> > every state convention. If you are interested in
> > helping,
> > and
> > willing to prove your ability first at a state in
> your
> > region
> > or at
> > another state at your own expense, let me know
> and
> we
> > might be
> > able
> > to try that. And then we can report the results.
> > Wes, I know a woman who renewed her membership due to
> a
> FB
> > post
> > that Andy Craig made. (She publicly wrote that he's
> the
> > reason
> > she
> > renewed) I'd wager that Andy is responsible for
> quite
> a
> > number of
> > people renewing or joining the LP. As Andy's an
> excellent
> > advocate
> > for the cause that is the LP. If you want to find
> someone
> > who's out
> > there building up hope in the LP, and getting people
> on
> > board,
> > he's
> > the one. You probably don't know this stuff, as Andy
> doesn't
> > seek
> > to be recognized for his efforts, he probably sees it
> as
> > normal
> > for
> > people who support the LP.
> > Nor, do I know of others within the LP who keep track
> of
> how
> > many
> > people they've recruited. So, your statement asking
> people
> > to
> > "prove your ability", is moot.<<<
> > (truncated)
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > On 2018-02-22 22:56, Wes Benedict wrote:
> > Dear LNC,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
> dues-paying
> > members by
> > attending state conventions and getting people to
> join
> > or
> > renew.
> > At first, she did this at state conventions she
> was
> > attending
> > in her
> > region at her own expense.
> > Her results were so strong that I asked her if
> she
> would
> > be
> > willing
> > to go to some other states outside of her region
> to
> do
> > similar
> > fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
> > reimbursed.
> > We have been struggling to keep membership from
> falling.
> > We
> > send
> > renewal emails and renewal letters that perform
> > reasonably
> > well
> > but
> > pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we
> try
> > have
> > very
> > low
> > ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
> strong.
> > Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
> convention
> last
> > weekend
> > and
> > recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the
> national
> > LP.
> > That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her
> for her
> > travel.
> > I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
> conventions to
> > have
> > her do
> > this work. No one else has done this as
> successfully as
> > Caryn
> > Ann.
> > Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for
> her
> > time.
> > For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take
> the
> > time
> > to
> > attend,
> > I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears.
> The
> thing
> > with
> > Jess
> > is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
> attend,
> and
> > return
> > from
> > state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high
> of
> a
> > ROI.
> > I received a complaint today that it is
> inappropriate
> > for
> > someone
> > running for a position on the LNC to have travel
> > reimbursed.
> > I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think
> it's a
> > violation
> > of our policies.
> > Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
> > feedback. If
> > you
> > request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any
> other
> > LNC
> > member
> > to state conventions for the purpose of
> recruiting
> > dues-paying
> > members, we can end the program.
> > A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to
> go
> to
> > state
> > convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
> > members--why
> > don't
> > you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved
> her
> > willingness
> > and capability within her own region. No other
> LNC
> > members
> > have
> > mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
> members
> from
> > their
> > states. Cary[2]n Ann and Jess Mears together are
> not
> > able
> > to
> > attend
> > every state convention. If you are interested in
> > helping,
> > and
> > willing to prove your ability first at a state in
> your
> > region
> > or at
> > another state at your own expense, let me know
> and
> we
> > might be
> > able
> > to try that. And then we can report the results.
> > Below is a report from Robert Kraus with some of
> the
> > fundraising
> > results from Caryn Ann.
> > I welcome your feedback.
> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> > 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> > [3](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> [1][4][3][4]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > [2][5][4][5]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> > Join the Libertarian Party at:
> > [3][6][5][6]http://lp.org/membership
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject: Harlos Fundraising
> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
> > From: Robert S. Kraus
> [4]<[7][6][7]robert.kraus at lp.org>
> > To: Wes Benedict
> [5]<[8][7][8]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> > I have [9]Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total of
> $2,335.00
> > for 82
> > members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks have
> also
> > contributed
> > a
> > net total excluding conv related gifts of $6,261.74
> since
> > 2016
> > convention - bunch of them to Hist Preservation of
> course so
> > she has
> > her
> > fans)
> > In addition she is likely 95% responsible for the
> $12,120
> > raised for
> > Historic Preservation
> > Finally she has given $2181 herself since the 2016
> convention
> > (non
> > convention related - however $1525 was for Hist
> Preservation)
> > --
> > Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
> > [6]Operations at LP.org
> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> > 1444 Duke Street
> > Alexandria, VA 22314
> > Ph: [10]202.333.0008 x 231
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[11][8][9]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 2. [12][9][10]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 3. [13][10][11]http://lp.org/membership
> > 4. mailto:[14][11][12]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:[15][12][13]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 6. mailto:[16]Operations at LP.org
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[13][14]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 2.
> >
> >
>
> [14][15]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are
> +n&e
> > ntry=gmail&source=g
> > 3. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 4. mailto:[15][16]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 5. [16][17]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 6. [17][18]http://lp.org/membership
> > 7. mailto:[18][19]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:[19][20]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 9.
> >
> >
>
> [20][21]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+
> tota
> > l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 10. tel:202.333.0008 x 231
> > 11. mailto:[21][22]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 12. [22][23]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 13. [23][24]http://lp.org/membership
> > 14. mailto:[24][25]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 15. mailto:[25][26]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 16. mailto:[26]Operations at LP.org
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[27]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > 2. mailto:[28]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[29]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 4. [30]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 5. [31]http://lp.org/membership
> > 6. mailto:[32]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 7. mailto:[33]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:[34]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 9. [35]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 10. [36]http://lp.org/membership
> > 11. mailto:[37]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 12. mailto:[38]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 13. mailto:[39]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 14.
> >
>
> [40]https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&e
> ntry=gmail&source=g
> > 15. mailto:[41]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 16. [42]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 17. [43]http://lp.org/membership
> > 18. mailto:[44]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 19. mailto:[45]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 20.
> >
>
> [46]https://maps.google.com/?q=Harlos+pegged+as+solicitor+for+a+tota
> l+of+$2,33&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 21. mailto:[47]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 22. [48]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 23. [49]http://lp.org/membership
> > 24. mailto:[50]robert.kraus at lp.org
> > 25. mailto:[51]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 26. mailto:[52]Operations at LP.org
>
> References
>
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> 2. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 4. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 5. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 6. http://lp.org/membership
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> 8. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 9. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 10. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 11. http://lp.org/membership
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> 13. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 14. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
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> 17. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 18. http://lp.org/membership
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> 20. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
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> 22. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 23. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 24. http://lp.org/membership
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> 29. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 30. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 31. http://lp.org/membership
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> 35. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 36. http://lp.org/membership
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> 38. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
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> 40.
> https://maps.google.com/?q=n+Ann+and+Jess+Mears+together+are+n&entry=gmail&source=g
> 41. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> 42. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 43. http://lp.org/membership
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> 46.
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