[Lnc-business] Caryn Ann Harlos fundraising and membership recruitment

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sun Feb 25 14:17:21 EST 2018


Thank you Wes.  Actually last night I did wake up and realize THIS WAS IN
MY REPORT.  I put EVERYTHING in my reports.

Any LNC member could have read that.  It was sent to party members.  It was
posted online multiple places.

I reported it.

I hope that at least settles part of the political smear job that has
ensued.

And I am going to relisten to that entire NOLA meeting (though there was
equipment malfunction for part of the time) as I am pretty positive it was
discussed informally there.  Wes or Lauren may recall.

All of our policies were followed.  I DID DISCLOSE THIS TO THE LNC.

-Caryn Ann








On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 7:24 AM Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:

>    Substantial updates below.
>
>    Robert Kraus, based on the general direction provided by the chair (a
>    copy pasted below), please issue the reimbursement to Caryn Ann Harlos
>    ($439.73 I believe), but wait until Tuesday morning to do it to give
>    the LNC the opportunity to get a motion started to deny the
>    reimbursement in case they want to do that (something I think is
>    unlikely, but of course possible). If a motion addressing these issues
>    has co-sponsors, even though we won't know for 10 days whether or not
>    it would pass, if a motion were in process, I'd find it prudent to hold
>    off on the reimbursement until such a motion has time to complete.
>
>    Although it's among lots of other information, I think it's worth
>    pointing out that Ms. Harlos included that she would be sent to some
>    state convention in 2018 in her region report at the December 2017 LNC
>    meeting in New Orleans. Excerpt below:
>
>      Membership Growth -  "I have been obtaining the lists of Regional
>      lapsed members for Region 1 and making calls to encourage renewal
>      earlier this year. I also have been promoting National memberships
>      at the state conventions and have personally signed up about 150 new
>      members between in-person and on-line renewals. I am being sent to
>      several conventions in 2018 by the national party to recruit. I
>      constantly coach and encourage my region regarding national
>      memberships."
>
>    [1]http://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-12-09_LNC_Meeting_
>    Region_1_Report.pdf
>
>    I do not recall if this program was discussed during some portion of
>    the LNC meeting (like budget or elsewhere). Daniel Hayes mentioned he
>    recalls hearing about the program but that could have been outside of
>    the meeting. I don't think I personally brought it up during the staff
>    portion of the meeting. In case anyone is inclined to do review the LNC
>    meeting, the LNC meeting can be watched again here:
>    [2]https://www.lp.org/event/lnc-meeting-new-orleans-la/
>
>    Going forward . . .
>
>    Caryn Ann Harlos, please resume our plans for you to attend state
>    conventions, to recruit members, and to have your travel reimbursed by
>    the LNC (again, like above, unless the LNC initiates a motion aimed at
>    ending the practice in which case it would be wise to wait for that
>    motion to complete). Going forward, I think we should restrict
>    reimbursements for visits outside of your region. Thank you for your
>    service. Sorry about the kerfuffle.
>
>    If any other LNC members are interested in visiting a state convention
>    to recruit members and to have the expenses covered by the party,
>    please identify the state convention you'd like to try and I'll let you
>    know if that one is covered yet and if I think it's a good opportunity.
>    If interested, for transparency purposes, I think it's best to make
>    your offer publicly on this LNC discuss list. Also, please provide
>    projections on the expenses and revenue you expect. I'll not personally
>    approve a trip that is very likely to have too poor of an ROI (e.g. a
>    trip to an expensive place to reach with a likely low attendance--no
>    offense intended, but Hawaii comes to mind--I'll not approve Hawaii
>    unless someone makes a really good case for it). I will intend to
>    report your results and based on your results from your first state
>    we'll see if a second state is warranted.
>
>    LNC members, this project is not critical. It will likely cost less
>    than 1% of our budget, and will likely bring in less than 1% to 3% of
>    our members. If it's too much of a distraction, I will not be offended
>    if you vote to end the program and it likely won't have a major impact
>    (unless more LNC members participate and are more successful than I
>    anticipate).
>
>    I do like trying new things to get our membership up, and like using
>    volunteers when they are available if the staff required to support the
>    volunteers isn't overly burdensome. I also like having LNC members use
>    their talents when available.
>
>    As usual, our operations director Robert Kraus is always happy to
>    provide lists of people to LNC members to call for membership renewals
>    and donations to the national party from the comfort of your home. If
>    interested in making fundraising calls, let me or Robert know.
>
>    (The chair's comments are below as referenced above.)
>
>    Thanks,
>
>    --Wes Benedict
>
>    -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject: [Lnc-business] Expense Reimbursement for Fundraising
>        Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:06:19 -0700
>        From: Nicholas Sarwark [3]<chair at lp.org>
>    Reply-To: [4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>          To: [5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Dear All,
>
> Expense reimbursements to LNC members have been made (and will be made
> in the future) according to the rules set out in our policy manual.
> The Chair and/or the Treasurer (depending on the situation) approve
> the expenses and no officer approves his or her own expenses.
>
> When expense reimbursements for party business are made to a member of
> the LNC, they are reported on the related party transactions portion
> of the Treasurer's report.
>
> As our fundraising infrastructure has improved, there are more
> opportunities for fundraising events than there is availability from
> only staff and the Chair. If LNC members are able to handle events at
> the direction of the Executive Director or Head of Development, they
> have been (and will continue to be) reimbursed for their expenses
> associated with those events.
>
> Membership recruitment is one part of an effective fundraising
> strategy.  When a person makes an initial financial commitment to the
> party, they are much more likely to make future financial commitments
> over their lifetime (and sometimes at the end of it).
>
> Absent a change in the policy manual or specific guidance in the form
> of a vote of the national committee, it is my intention to proceed as
> we have been doing in consultation with the Treasurer, Executive
> Director, and the Head of Development.
>
> Yours in liberty,
> Nick
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [6]wes.benedict at lp.org
> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: [7]http://lp.org/membership
>
>    Wes Benedict wrote on 2/23/2018 2:09 PM:
>
>      Thanks for the response.
>      Joshua, we have sent Chair Sarwark and Vice Chair Vohra to
>      fundraising events and have reimbursed their travel expenses.
>      Our Head of Development is setting up additional fundraising events
>      with the intention of the chair to attend.
>      What do you think about that? Would you recommend we cease
>      reimbursing the travel expenses for sending the chair for
>      fundraising events?
>      Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>      Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>      1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>      (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [8]wes.benedict at lp.org
>      facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>      Join the Libertarian Party at: [9]http://lp.org/membership
>      On 2/23/2018 1:56 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>
>          As I said, what's done is done.  You should send the funds.
>      That's
>          just my opinion, of course, since I can't act for this
>      organization,
>          but it's my opinion.
>          Joshua A. Katz
>          On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Wes Benedict
>      [10]<[1]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>          wrote:
>            Here's where we stand expense-wise on this if I have my facts
>            correct--and I have gotten facts wrong on this so I want to be
>            transparent and corrected if I'm wrong.
>            So far, we have reimbursed Caryn Ann Harlos $198.96 for SW
>      Airlines
>            under "Membership Fundraising Costs" and I think that was for
>      the
>            Arizona state convention.
>            Additionally, Caryn Ann submitted expenses for reimbursement
>      for
>            $439.73 to be paid for fundraising at the WA state convention.
>            I submitted those expenses to the treasurer with a request for
>            approval, received the approval, but we haven't sent those
>      funds to
>            Caryn Ann yet. Approval attached, if attachments are working
>      today.
>            Now I'm unsure what I should do about the $439.73.
>            I'm pretty sure I should go ahead and have the funds issued,
>            because, this was all done in compliance with the policy
>      manual and
>            with the knowledge of the chair and treasurer.
>            Is there any opposition to me issuing the funds to Caryn Ann
>      for the
>            $439.73?
>            Today coincidentally we received the memberships in the mail
>      from
>            WA:  a total of 16 memberships for $690 total plus a $25 a
>      month
>            donor.
>            Josh, what do you think? Do you think I should issue the
>      payment of
>            $439.73 to Caryn Ann?
>            Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>            Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>            1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>            [2](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [[11]3]wes.benedict at lp.org
>            [4]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>            Join the Libertarian Party at: [5][12]http://lp.org/membership
>            On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>                I agree with the ED on scenario 1.  I lean towards
>      agreeing
>            about
>                Scenario 2.
>                There should also be LNC training, at the start of each
>      term
>            (or, at
>                least, this is my suggestion to future LNCs) about
>      recognizing
>            issues
>                relating to duties of directors.
>                Joshua A. Katz
>                On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Wes Benedict
>            [13]<[1][6]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>                wrote:
>                  Scenario 1.
>                  If the LNC wants to encourage the chair to approve
>      reimbursing
>            Caryn
>                  Ann Harlos for expenses for travel outside of her region
>      for
>            the
>                  purpose of recruiting dues-paying members, then the LNC
>      can
>            pass a
>                  motion to that effect.
>                  ==========
>                  Unless that happens, I lean towards taking Joshua's
>      advice of
>                  discontinuing the practice, given that no one has spoken
>      up in
>                  support, and that Caryn Ann has rescinded her
>      willingness.
>                  I think Caryn Ann probably recruited more dues-paying
>      members
>            to the
>                  national LP in the past 12 months than all other LNC
>      members
>                  combined.
>                  Aaron Starr started a program called "Give or Get". It
>      was
>            quite
>                  successful, was in 2006 to 2008 and you can read about
>      in the
>            LNC
>                  minutes here:
>                  [2][7][14]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
>                I believe flights and hotel expenses were covered for a
>      few LNC
>                members for the "Give or Get" program.  I point that out
>      because
>                there's a precedent for paying travel expenses for LNC
>      members to
>          do
>                fundraising.
>                The LNC has routinely reimbursed the current and former
>      Chairs
>          for
>                travel expenses related to party business including
>      fundraisers,
>          but
>                excluding LNC meetings, and in accordance with the Policy
>      Manual.
>                ==========
>                Scenario 2.
>                While typing this note a donor has offered to help cover
>      Caryn
>          Ann's
>                expenses for this purpose. If the donor is willing to
>      cover 100%
>          of
>                those expenses, and if the donor reimburses Caryn Ann
>      directly,
>          and
>                then the donor reports the reimbursements to me as an
>      in-kind
>                contribution (probably with the assistance of Caryn Ann),
>      that
>          would
>                take control of the process out of my hands and out of the
>      LNC's
>                hands.
>                ==========
>                I recommend the LNC vote regarding Scenario 1, so you can
>      make it
>                more clear whether or not you approve having LNC members
>      have
>                expenses reimbursed for raising funds, but that's up to
>      you all.
>          As
>                we ramp up our fundraising efforts, it will help me to
>      know if I
>                should make staff the primary relationship builders with
>      our
>          donors,
>                or if I should keep the opportunity open for board members
>      as
>          well.
>                I also encourage feedback from individual LNC members
>      regarding
>                Scenario 2 even though technically I don't think approval
>      is
>                required. I'd like that feedback because I'm willing to
>      cooperate
>                with Caryn Ann and the donor if there's not a lot of
>      opposition
>          by
>                the LNC. If there's a lot of opposition by the LNC, I'll
>      be less
>                cooperative with Caryn Ann as she recruits members and
>      raises
>          funds
>                for the party.
>                Thanks,
>                Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>                Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>                  [3]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>                  [4][8](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>      [5][[15]9]wes.benedict at lp.org
>                  [6][10]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>                  Join the Libertarian Party at:
>      [7][11][16]http://lp.org/membership
>              On 2/23/2018 12:01 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>                  Wes,
>                  Thank you for opening a discussion on this.  I do not
>      believe
>          it is
>                  proper to use party funds to send LNC members to state
>          conventions
>                  unless they are "lame ducks" (and, honestly, probably
>      not then
>                  either).  The facts provided are enlightening and
>      important,
>          but
>              the
>                  question here is about the principle, not the people or
>      the
>              individual
>                  circumstances.  The principle is that, as you note in
>      your
>          email,
>              this
>                  is a discretionary decision by staff.  Staff is
>      determining,
>          based,
>              to
>                  be sure, on perfectly legitimate factors, which LNC
>      members are
>              being
>                  sent and where.  There is nothing compelling staff in
>      the
>          future to
>              use
>                  the factors you identify here, and different, less
>      legitimate
>              factors,
>                  could be used in the future.  The way to prevent that is
>      "all
>          or
>                  nothing."  But "all" is impractical, and also not a good
>      idea.
>                  Other corporations handle this in a more direct fashion
>      - they
>          pay
>                  directors.  We don't do that (and I'm not suggesting
>      it).  In
>          fact,
>              we
>                  encourage directors to donate, and I highly appreciate
>      that Ms.
>              Harlos
>                  does so.  I don't see how it changes this arrangement,
>      though.
>          We
>              have
>                  rules against being an employee and a director
>      simultaneously -
>          to
>              the
>                  extent an LNC member benefits (in addition to the party
>          benefits)
>              from
>                  such travel paid for by the party, the arrangement is
>      somewhat
>          akin
>              to
>                  employing that director to provide a service: in this
>      case,
>              membership
>                  recruitment.  Maybe Ms. Harlos gets no benefit at all
>      from such
>              travel,
>                  but will that be true for future LNC members?  The
>      potentials
>          for
>                  self-dealing are numerous.  Directors play a role in
>      selecting
>          and
>                  hiring staff - could directors hire and retain staff who
>      will
>              provide
>                  travel for those specific directors, and in turn, then
>      enjoy an
>                  advantage in future LNC elections?
>                  I have every confidence that Ms. Harlos does not
>      campaign while
>          at
>                  these conventions.  If an LNC member attends a
>      convention and
>          is
>              highly
>                  visible (you can't recruit national members if you sit
>      in the
>          back
>              of
>                  the room quietly), benefits are still gained, albeit
>          incidentally
>              and
>                  without that being the motive, in future elections.
>      It's not a
>              policy
>                  manual violation because they're no campaigning, but the
>          conflicts
>                  remain potentially large.  By definition, it is a
>      benefit not
>              available
>                  to other candidates - the reason it doesn't violate the
>      policy
>              manual
>                  is that it's not done in the role of candidate.
>                  Be that as it may, we could still decide that the
>      benefits
>          outweigh
>              the
>                  dangers.  That would be a reasonable decision.  However,
>      I am
>          of
>              the
>                  opinion that before it began, it should have been
>      disclosed to
>          the
>                  board and a vote taken of the disinterested directors.
>      It
>          could be
>                  pointed out that, potentially at least, there would be
>      no
>              disinterested
>                  directors in such a decision (at least in spirit) - that
>      would
>          be a
>                  reason not to do it.
>                  Your answer to why you aren't sending other LNC members
>      to
>          state
>                  conventions is perfectly appropriate and rational.  You
>      should
>          not
>              send
>                  people to state conventions at party expense who will
>      not
>          produce a
>                  positive return on investment (I, for instance, probably
>              wouldn't).  Of
>                  course, other LNC members could, conceivably, produce
>      value in
>              other
>                  ways.  I have provided parliamentary services for
>      several state
>                  parties, sometimes with funding from the state party,
>      sometimes
>          at
>              my
>                  own expense.  That's not something that produces funds
>      for the
>              party,
>                  of course, but it does provide affiliate support,
>      something we
>          also
>                  do.  I most certainly should not do that on party
>      funds.  What,
>                  precisely, is the difference?  Well, membership brings
>      in money
>              and, as
>                  you note, numbers have been falling.  Does that make it
>      a
>          priority
>              over
>                  providing other services, or the many other things we
>      could
>          send
>              LNC
>                  members to do?  Well, maybe.  The LNC did not adopt any
>      goals
>          this
>                  term.  Last term, the LNC adopted goals, and
>          retaining/increasing
>                  membership wasn't one of them.  I believe you told us
>      that you
>              weren't
>                  focusing on membership numbers, as a result.  As has
>      come up in
>              prior
>                  discussions, I agree with not prioritizing membership
>      numbers -
>          I
>              think
>                  that, over the long term (granted, not the immediate
>      term) we
>          need
>              to
>                  focus on relying less on membership for revenue and
>      developing
>              other
>                  streams.  To your credit, staff (and especially Lauren)
>      has
>          been
>                  developing other revenue streams, and doing so very
>          effectively.
>                  Membership does have the advantage of predictable cash
>      flow,
>                  admittedly.  But I simply am not that worried about
>      falling
>              membership
>                  numbers persay - if anything, I think of membership
>      numbers as
>          the
>                  tail, not the dog.  That is, I think we can improve
>      membership
>          by
>              doing
>                  things like electing candidates to public office and
>      having
>          them
>                  implement libertarian policies.  More importantly, this
>      board
>              doesn't
>                  seem to regard it as a priority.  But that is a somewhat
>          different
>                  question.
>                  Or, to use another example, members of the LNC travel to
>      states
>              where
>                  signatures are needed and gather hundreds of volunteer
>          signatures.
>                  Granted, they don't desire to be paid for their expenses
>      in
>          those
>                  cases, but if they did, I don't think staff would agree
>      to pay
>          -
>              and I
>                  think that would be the right call, most of the time at
>      least.
>              That
>                  also doesn't put money in our pocket, although it has
>      the
>          ultimate
>                  effect (if history is any guide) of keeping money there
>      that
>          would
>                  otherwise leave.
>                  So, in summary, my position is that we should not fund
>      LNC
>          member
>                  travel, even if the LNC member agrees not to run for
>          reelection.
>              But I
>                  recognize that opinions can differ on that, so my
>      additional
>              opinion is
>                  that the board is within its rights to decide otherwise,
>      but
>          that
>                  potentially conflicted transactions involving board
>      members
>          should
>              be
>                  discussed with the board ahead of time, and approved by
>      a
>          majority
>              of
>                  disinterested directors.  What's done is done.  I think
>      that
>          before
>              it
>                  continues, action should be taken to approve it (or not)
>      by a
>              majority
>                  of disinterested directors.  There's no rule that can
>      compel
>          that
>                  outcome, it's just my opinion.
>                  Joshua A. Katz
>                    On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Wes Benedict
>                  [17]<[1][8][12]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>                  wrote:
>                         Dear LNC,
>                         Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
>      dues-paying
>          members
>              by
>                         attending state conventions and getting people to
>      join
>          or
>                    renew.
>                         At first, she did this at state conventions she
>      was
>              attending
>                    in her
>                         region at her own expense.
>                         Her results were so strong that I asked her if
>      she would
>          be
>                    willing
>                         to go to some other states outside of her region
>      to do
>              similar
>                         fundraising efforts if her travel expenses were
>          reimbursed.
>                         We have been struggling to keep membership from
>      falling.
>          We
>                    send
>                         renewal emails and renewal letters that perform
>          reasonably
>              well
>                    but
>                         pretty much exhaust that method. Other methods we
>      try
>          have
>              very
>                    low
>                         ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
>      strong.
>                         Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
>      convention last
>              weekend
>                    and
>                         recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for the
>      national
>          LP.
>                         That trip is one in which we have reimbursed her
>      for her
>                    travel.
>                         I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
>      conventions to
>          have
>                    her do
>                         this work. No one else has done this as
>      successfully as
>              Caryn
>                    Ann.
>                         Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her for
>      her
>          time.
>                         For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to take
>      the
>          time to
>                    attend,
>                         I will be sending our staff member Jess Mears.
>      The thing
>              with
>                    Jess
>                         is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
>      attend, and
>              return
>                    from
>                         state conventions. She's unlikely to get as high
>      of a
>          ROI.
>                         I received a complaint today that it is
>      inappropriate
>          for
>                    someone
>                         running for a position on the LNC to have travel
>          reimbursed.
>                         I sympathize with the complaint, but do not think
>      it's a
>                    violation
>                         of our policies.
>                         Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for your
>          feedback.
>              If
>                    you
>                         request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos or any
>      other
>          LNC
>                    member
>                         to state conventions for the purpose of
>      recruiting
>              dues-paying
>                         members, we can end the program.
>                         A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing to
>      go to
>          state
>                         convention at the expense of the LNC and recruit
>              members--why
>                    don't
>                         you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann proved
>      her
>                    willingness
>                         and capability within her own region. No other
>      LNC
>          members
>              have
>                         mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
>      members from
>              their
>                         states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together are not
>      able
>          to
>                    attend
>                         every state convention. If you are interested in
>          helping,
>              and
>                         willing to prove your ability first at a state in
>      your
>              region
>                    or at
>                         another state at your own expense, let me know
>      and we
>          might
>              be
>                    able
>                           [9]to try that. And then we can report the
>      results.
>                           Below is a report from Robert Kraus with some
>      of the
>                      fundraising
>                           results from Caryn Ann.
>                           I welcome your feedback.
>                      Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>                      Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>                      1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>                        [2][10][13](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>            [1][3][11][[18]14]wes.benedict at lp.org
>                        [2][4][12][15]facebook.com/libertarians
>      @LPNational
>                        Join the Libertarian Party at:
>                  [3][5][13][16][19]http://lp.org/membership
>                           -------- Forwarded Message --------
>                           Subject: Harlos Fundraising
>                              Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
>                            From: Robert S. Kraus
>          [4][20]<[6][14][17]robert.kraus at lp.org>
>                              To: Wes Benedict
>      [5]<[7][15][[21]18]wes.benedict at lp.org
>          >
>                      I have Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total of
>      $2,335.00
>          for
>                82
>                      members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks have
>      also
>                contributed
>                      a
>                      net total excluding conv related gifts of $6,261.74
>      since
>          2016
>                      convention - bunch of them to Hist Preservation of
>      course
>          so
>                she has
>                      her
>                      fans)
>                      In addition she is likely 95% responsible for the
>      $12,120
>                raised for
>                      Historic Preservation
>                      Finally she has given $2181 herself since the 2016
>          convention
>                (non
>                      convention related - however $1525 was for Hist
>          Preservation)
>                      --
>                      Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
>                      [[22]6]Operations at LP.org
>                      Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>                      1444 Duke Street
>                      Alexandria, VA 22314
>                      Ph: [8]202.333.0008 x 231
>                      References
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>                           2.
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>    3. mailto:chair at lp.org
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>
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   Thank you Wes.  Actually last night I did wake up and realize THIS WAS
   IN MY REPORT.  I put EVERYTHING in my reports.

   Any LNC member could have read that.  It was sent to party members.  It
   was posted online multiple places.

   I reported it.

   I hope that at least settles part of the political smear job that has
   ensued.

   And I am going to relisten to that entire NOLA meeting (though there
   was equipment malfunction for part of the time) as I am pretty positive
   it was discussed informally there.  Wes or Lauren may recall.

   All of our policies were followed.  I DID DISCLOSE THIS TO THE LNC.

   -Caryn Ann

   On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 7:24 AM Wes Benedict <[1]wes.benedict at lp.org>
   wrote:

        Substantial updates below.
        Robert Kraus, based on the general direction provided by the
     chair (a
        copy pasted below), please issue the reimbursement to Caryn Ann
     Harlos
        ($439.73 I believe), but wait until Tuesday morning to do it to
     give
        the LNC the opportunity to get a motion started to deny the
        reimbursement in case they want to do that (something I think is
        unlikely, but of course possible). If a motion addressing these
     issues
        has co-sponsors, even though we won't know for 10 days whether or
     not
        it would pass, if a motion were in process, I'd find it prudent
     to hold
        off on the reimbursement until such a motion has time to
     complete.
        Although it's among lots of other information, I think it's worth
        pointing out that Ms. Harlos included that she would be sent to
     some
        state convention in 2018 in her region report at the December
     2017 LNC
        meeting in New Orleans. Excerpt below:
          Membership Growth -  "I have been obtaining the lists of
     Regional
          lapsed members for Region 1 and making calls to encourage
     renewal
          earlier this year. I also have been promoting National
     memberships
          at the state conventions and have personally signed up about
     150 new
          members between in-person and on-line renewals. I am being sent
     to
          several conventions in 2018 by the national party to recruit. I
          constantly coach and encourage my region regarding national
          memberships."

     [1][2]http://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-12-09_LNC_Me
     eting_
        Region_1_Report.pdf
        I do not recall if this program was discussed during some portion
     of
        the LNC meeting (like budget or elsewhere). Daniel Hayes
     mentioned he
        recalls hearing about the program but that could have been
     outside of
        the meeting. I don't think I personally brought it up during the
     staff
        portion of the meeting. In case anyone is inclined to do review
     the LNC
        meeting, the LNC meeting can be watched again here:
        [2][3]https://www.lp.org/event/lnc-meeting-new-orleans-la/
        Going forward . . .
        Caryn Ann Harlos, please resume our plans for you to attend state
        conventions, to recruit members, and to have your travel
     reimbursed by
        the LNC (again, like above, unless the LNC initiates a motion
     aimed at
        ending the practice in which case it would be wise to wait for
     that
        motion to complete). Going forward, I think we should restrict
        reimbursements for visits outside of your region. Thank you for
     your
        service. Sorry about the kerfuffle.
        If any other LNC members are interested in visiting a state
     convention
        to recruit members and to have the expenses covered by the party,
        please identify the state convention you'd like to try and I'll
     let you
        know if that one is covered yet and if I think it's a good
     opportunity.
        If interested, for transparency purposes, I think it's best to
     make
        your offer publicly on this LNC discuss list. Also, please
     provide
        projections on the expenses and revenue you expect. I'll not
     personally
        approve a trip that is very likely to have too poor of an ROI
     (e.g. a
        trip to an expensive place to reach with a likely low
     attendance--no
        offense intended, but Hawaii comes to mind--I'll not approve
     Hawaii
        unless someone makes a really good case for it). I will intend to
        report your results and based on your results from your first
     state
        we'll see if a second state is warranted.
        LNC members, this project is not critical. It will likely cost
     less
        than 1% of our budget, and will likely bring in less than 1% to
     3% of
        our members. If it's too much of a distraction, I will not be
     offended
        if you vote to end the program and it likely won't have a major
     impact
        (unless more LNC members participate and are more successful than
     I
        anticipate).
        I do like trying new things to get our membership up, and like
     using
        volunteers when they are available if the staff required to
     support the
        volunteers isn't overly burdensome. I also like having LNC
     members use
        their talents when available.
        As usual, our operations director Robert Kraus is always happy to
        provide lists of people to LNC members to call for membership
     renewals
        and donations to the national party from the comfort of your
     home. If
        interested in making fundraising calls, let me or Robert know.
        (The chair's comments are below as referenced above.)
        Thanks,
        --Wes Benedict
        -------- Forwarded Message --------
         Subject: [Lnc-business] Expense Reimbursement for Fundraising
            Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:06:19 -0700
            From: Nicholas Sarwark [3]<[4]chair at lp.org>
        Reply-To: [4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
              To: [5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     Dear All,
     Expense reimbursements to LNC members have been made (and will be
     made
     in the future) according to the rules set out in our policy manual.
     The Chair and/or the Treasurer (depending on the situation) approve
     the expenses and no officer approves his or her own expenses.
     When expense reimbursements for party business are made to a member
     of
     the LNC, they are reported on the related party transactions portion
     of the Treasurer's report.
     As our fundraising infrastructure has improved, there are more
     opportunities for fundraising events than there is availability from
     only staff and the Chair. If LNC members are able to handle events
     at
     the direction of the Executive Director or Head of Development, they
     have been (and will continue to be) reimbursed for their expenses
     associated with those events.
     Membership recruitment is one part of an effective fundraising
     strategy.  When a person makes an initial financial commitment to
     the
     party, they are much more likely to make future financial
     commitments
     over their lifetime (and sometimes at the end of it).
     Absent a change in the policy manual or specific guidance in the
     form
     of a vote of the national committee, it is my intention to proceed
     as
     we have been doing in consultation with the Treasurer, Executive
     Director, and the Head of Development.
     Yours in liberty,
     Nick
     Wes Benedict, Executive Director
     Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
     1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
     (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [6][7]wes.benedict at lp.org
     [8]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
     Join the Libertarian Party at: [7][9]http://lp.org/membership
        Wes Benedict wrote on 2/23/2018 2:09 PM:
          Thanks for the response.
          Joshua, we have sent Chair Sarwark and Vice Chair Vohra to
          fundraising events and have reimbursed their travel expenses.
          Our Head of Development is setting up additional fundraising
     events
          with the intention of the chair to attend.
          What do you think about that? Would you recommend we cease
          reimbursing the travel expenses for sending the chair for
          fundraising events?
          Wes Benedict, Executive Director
          Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
          1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
          (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [8][10]wes.benedict at lp.org
          [11]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
          Join the Libertarian Party at: [9][12]http://lp.org/membership
          On 2/23/2018 1:56 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
              As I said, what's done is done.  You should send the funds.
          That's
              just my opinion, of course, since I can't act for this
          organization,
              but it's my opinion.
              Joshua A. Katz
              On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Wes Benedict
          [10]<[1][13]wes.benedict at lp.org>
              wrote:
                Here's where we stand expense-wise on this if I have my
     facts
                correct--and I have gotten facts wrong on this so I want
     to be
                transparent and corrected if I'm wrong.
                So far, we have reimbursed Caryn Ann Harlos $198.96 for
     SW
          Airlines
                under "Membership Fundraising Costs" and I think that was
     for
          the
                Arizona state convention.
                Additionally, Caryn Ann submitted expenses for
     reimbursement
          for
                $439.73 to be paid for fundraising at the WA state
     convention.
                I submitted those expenses to the treasurer with a
     request for
                approval, received the approval, but we haven't sent
     those
          funds to
                Caryn Ann yet. Approval attached, if attachments are
     working
          today.
                Now I'm unsure what I should do about the $439.73.
                I'm pretty sure I should go ahead and have the funds
     issued,
                because, this was all done in compliance with the policy
          manual and
                with the knowledge of the chair and treasurer.
                Is there any opposition to me issuing the funds to Caryn
     Ann
          for the
                $439.73?
                Today coincidentally we received the memberships in the
     mail
          from
                WA:  a total of 16 memberships for $690 total plus a $25
     a
          month
                donor.
                Josh, what do you think? Do you think I should issue the
          payment of
                $439.73 to Caryn Ann?
                Wes Benedict, Executive Director
                Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
                1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
                [2](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
     [[11]3][14]wes.benedict at lp.org
                [4][15]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
                Join the Libertarian Party at:
     [5][12][16]http://lp.org/membership
                On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
                    I agree with the ED on scenario 1.  I lean towards
          agreeing
                about
                    Scenario 2.
                    There should also be LNC training, at the start of
     each
          term
                (or, at
                    least, this is my suggestion to future LNCs) about
          recognizing
                issues
                    relating to duties of directors.
                    Joshua A. Katz
                    On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Wes Benedict
                [13]<[1][6][17]wes.benedict at lp.org>
                    wrote:
                      Scenario 1.
                      If the LNC wants to encourage the chair to approve
          reimbursing
                Caryn
                      Ann Harlos for expenses for travel outside of her
     region
          for
                the
                      purpose of recruiting dues-paying members, then the
     LNC
          can
                pass a
                      motion to that effect.
                      ==========
                      Unless that happens, I lean towards taking Joshua's
          advice of
                      discontinuing the practice, given that no one has
     spoken
          up in
                      support, and that Caryn Ann has rescinded her
          willingness.
                      I think Caryn Ann probably recruited more
     dues-paying
          members
                to the
                      national LP in the past 12 months than all other
     LNC
          members
                      combined.
                      Aaron Starr started a program called "Give or Get".
     It
          was
                quite
                      successful, was in 2006 to 2008 and you can read
     about
          in the
                LNC
                      minutes here:

     [2][7][14][18]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
                    I believe flights and hotel expenses were covered for
     a
          few LNC
                    members for the "Give or Get" program.  I point that
     out
          because
                    there's a precedent for paying travel expenses for
     LNC
          members to
              do
                    fundraising.
                    The LNC has routinely reimbursed the current and
     former
          Chairs
              for
                    travel expenses related to party business including
          fundraisers,
              but
                    excluding LNC meetings, and in accordance with the
     Policy
          Manual.
                    ==========
                    Scenario 2.
                    While typing this note a donor has offered to help
     cover
          Caryn
              Ann's
                    expenses for this purpose. If the donor is willing to
          cover 100%
              of
                    those expenses, and if the donor reimburses Caryn Ann
          directly,
              and
                    then the donor reports the reimbursements to me as an
          in-kind
                    contribution (probably with the assistance of Caryn
     Ann),
          that
              would
                    take control of the process out of my hands and out
     of the
          LNC's
                    hands.
                    ==========
                    I recommend the LNC vote regarding Scenario 1, so you
     can
          make it
                    more clear whether or not you approve having LNC
     members
          have
                    expenses reimbursed for raising funds, but that's up
     to
          you all.
              As
                    we ramp up our fundraising efforts, it will help me
     to
          know if I
                    should make staff the primary relationship builders
     with
          our
              donors,
                    or if I should keep the opportunity open for board
     members
          as
              well.
                    I also encourage feedback from individual LNC members
          regarding
                    Scenario 2 even though technically I don't think
     approval
          is
                    required. I'd like that feedback because I'm willing
     to
          cooperate
                    with Caryn Ann and the donor if there's not a lot of
          opposition
              by
                    the LNC. If there's a lot of opposition by the LNC,
     I'll
          be less
                    cooperative with Caryn Ann as she recruits members
     and
          raises
              funds
                    for the party.
                    Thanks,
                    Wes Benedict, Executive Director
                    Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
                      [3]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
                      [4][8](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
          [5][[15]9][19]wes.benedict at lp.org
                      [6][10][20]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
                      Join the Libertarian Party at:
          [7][11][16][21]http://lp.org/membership
                  On 2/23/2018 12:01 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:
                      Wes,
                      Thank you for opening a discussion on this.  I do
     not
          believe
              it is
                      proper to use party funds to send LNC members to
     state
              conventions
                      unless they are "lame ducks" (and, honestly,
     probably
          not then
                      either).  The facts provided are enlightening and
          important,
              but
                  the
                      question here is about the principle, not the
     people or
          the
                  individual
                      circumstances.  The principle is that, as you note
     in
          your
              email,
                  this
                      is a discretionary decision by staff.  Staff is
          determining,
              based,
                  to
                      be sure, on perfectly legitimate factors, which LNC
          members are
                  being
                      sent and where.  There is nothing compelling staff
     in
          the
              future to
                  use
                      the factors you identify here, and different, less
          legitimate
                  factors,
                      could be used in the future.  The way to prevent
     that is
          "all
              or
                      nothing."  But "all" is impractical, and also not a
     good
          idea.
                      Other corporations handle this in a more direct
     fashion
          - they
              pay
                      directors.  We don't do that (and I'm not
     suggesting
          it).  In
              fact,
                  we
                      encourage directors to donate, and I highly
     appreciate
          that Ms.
                  Harlos
                      does so.  I don't see how it changes this
     arrangement,
          though.
              We
                  have
                      rules against being an employee and a director
          simultaneously -
              to
                  the
                      extent an LNC member benefits (in addition to the
     party
              benefits)
                  from
                      such travel paid for by the party, the arrangement
     is
          somewhat
              akin
                  to
                      employing that director to provide a service: in
     this
          case,
                  membership
                      recruitment.  Maybe Ms. Harlos gets no benefit at
     all
          from such
                  travel,
                      but will that be true for future LNC members?  The
          potentials
              for
                      self-dealing are numerous.  Directors play a role
     in
          selecting
              and
                      hiring staff - could directors hire and retain
     staff who
          will
                  provide
                      travel for those specific directors, and in turn,
     then
          enjoy an
                      advantage in future LNC elections?
                      I have every confidence that Ms. Harlos does not
          campaign while
              at
                      these conventions.  If an LNC member attends a
          convention and
              is
                  highly
                      visible (you can't recruit national members if you
     sit
          in the
              back
                  of
                      the room quietly), benefits are still gained,
     albeit
              incidentally
                  and
                      without that being the motive, in future elections.
          It's not a
                  policy
                      manual violation because they're no campaigning,
     but the
              conflicts
                      remain potentially large.  By definition, it is a
          benefit not
                  available
                      to other candidates - the reason it doesn't violate
     the
          policy
                  manual
                      is that it's not done in the role of candidate.
                      Be that as it may, we could still decide that the
          benefits
              outweigh
                  the
                      dangers.  That would be a reasonable decision.
     However,
          I am
              of
                  the
                      opinion that before it began, it should have been
          disclosed to
              the
                      board and a vote taken of the disinterested
     directors.
          It
              could be
                      pointed out that, potentially at least, there would
     be
          no
                  disinterested
                      directors in such a decision (at least in spirit) -
     that
          would
              be a
                      reason not to do it.
                      Your answer to why you aren't sending other LNC
     members
          to
              state
                      conventions is perfectly appropriate and rational.
     You
          should
              not
                  send
                      people to state conventions at party expense who
     will
          not
              produce a
                      positive return on investment (I, for instance,
     probably
                  wouldn't).  Of
                      course, other LNC members could, conceivably,
     produce
          value in
                  other
                      ways.  I have provided parliamentary services for
          several state
                      parties, sometimes with funding from the state
     party,
          sometimes
              at
                  my
                      own expense.  That's not something that produces
     funds
          for the
                  party,
                      of course, but it does provide affiliate support,
          something we
              also
                      do.  I most certainly should not do that on party
          funds.  What,
                      precisely, is the difference?  Well, membership
     brings
          in money
                  and, as
                      you note, numbers have been falling.  Does that
     make it
          a
              priority
                  over
                      providing other services, or the many other things
     we
          could
              send
                  LNC
                      members to do?  Well, maybe.  The LNC did not adopt
     any
          goals
              this
                      term.  Last term, the LNC adopted goals, and
              retaining/increasing
                      membership wasn't one of them.  I believe you told
     us
          that you
                  weren't
                      focusing on membership numbers, as a result.  As
     has
          come up in
                  prior
                      discussions, I agree with not prioritizing
     membership
          numbers -
              I
                  think
                      that, over the long term (granted, not the
     immediate
          term) we
              need
                  to
                      focus on relying less on membership for revenue and
          developing
                  other
                      streams.  To your credit, staff (and especially
     Lauren)
          has
              been
                      developing other revenue streams, and doing so very
              effectively.
                      Membership does have the advantage of predictable
     cash
          flow,
                      admittedly.  But I simply am not that worried about
          falling
                  membership
                      numbers persay - if anything, I think of membership
          numbers as
              the
                      tail, not the dog.  That is, I think we can improve
          membership
              by
                  doing
                      things like electing candidates to public office
     and
          having
              them
                      implement libertarian policies.  More importantly,
     this
          board
                  doesn't
                      seem to regard it as a priority.  But that is a
     somewhat
              different
                      question.
                      Or, to use another example, members of the LNC
     travel to
          states
                  where
                      signatures are needed and gather hundreds of
     volunteer
              signatures.
                      Granted, they don't desire to be paid for their
     expenses
          in
              those
                      cases, but if they did, I don't think staff would
     agree
          to pay
              -
                  and I
                      think that would be the right call, most of the
     time at
          least.
                  That
                      also doesn't put money in our pocket, although it
     has
          the
              ultimate
                      effect (if history is any guide) of keeping money
     there
          that
              would
                      otherwise leave.
                      So, in summary, my position is that we should not
     fund
          LNC
              member
                      travel, even if the LNC member agrees not to run
     for
              reelection.
                  But I
                      recognize that opinions can differ on that, so my
          additional
                  opinion is
                      that the board is within its rights to decide
     otherwise,
          but
              that
                      potentially conflicted transactions involving board
          members
              should
                  be
                      discussed with the board ahead of time, and
     approved by
          a
              majority
                  of
                      disinterested directors.  What's done is done.  I
     think
          that
              before
                  it
                      continues, action should be taken to approve it (or
     not)
          by a
                  majority
                      of disinterested directors.  There's no rule that
     can
          compel
              that
                      outcome, it's just my opinion.
                      Joshua A. Katz
                        On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Wes Benedict
                      [17]<[1][8][12][22]wes.benedict at lp.org>
                      wrote:
                             Dear LNC,
                             Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
          dues-paying
              members
                  by
                             attending state conventions and getting
     people to
          join
              or
                        renew.
                             At first, she did this at state conventions
     she
          was
                  attending
                        in her
                             region at her own expense.
                             Her results were so strong that I asked her
     if
          she would
              be
                        willing
                             to go to some other states outside of her
     region
          to do
                  similar
                             fundraising efforts if her travel expenses
     were
              reimbursed.
                             We have been struggling to keep membership
     from
          falling.
              We
                        send
                             renewal emails and renewal letters that
     perform
              reasonably
                  well
                        but
                             pretty much exhaust that method. Other
     methods we
          try
              have
                  very
                        low
                             ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been comparatively
          strong.
                             Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
          convention last
                  weekend
                        and
                             recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for
     the
          national
              LP.
                             That trip is one in which we have reimbursed
     her
          for her
                        travel.
                             I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
          conventions to
              have
                        her do
                             this work. No one else has done this as
          successfully as
                  Caryn
                        Ann.
                             Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay her
     for
          her
              time.
                             For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable to
     take
          the
              time to
                        attend,
                             I will be sending our staff member Jess
     Mears.
          The thing
                  with
                        Jess
                             is that we pay her for her hours to travel,
          attend, and
                  return
                        from
                             state conventions. She's unlikely to get as
     high
          of a
              ROI.
                             I received a complaint today that it is
          inappropriate
              for
                        someone
                             running for a position on the LNC to have
     travel
              reimbursed.
                             I sympathize with the complaint, but do not
     think
          it's a
                        violation
                             of our policies.
                             Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC for
     your
              feedback.
                  If
                        you
                             request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos
     or any
          other
              LNC
                        member
                             to state conventions for the purpose of
          recruiting
                  dues-paying
                             members, we can end the program.
                             A reasonable question might be, "I'm willing
     to
          go to
              state
                             convention at the expense of the LNC and
     recruit
                  members--why
                        don't
                             you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann
     proved
          her
                        willingness
                             and capability within her own region. No
     other
          LNC
              members
                  have
                             mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
          members from
                  their
                             states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together
     are not
          able
              to
                        attend
                             every state convention. If you are
     interested in
              helping,
                  and
                             willing to prove your ability first at a
     state in
          your
                  region
                        or at
                             another state at your own expense, let me
     know
          and we
              might
                  be
                        able
                               [9]to try that. And then we can report the
          results.
                               Below is a report from Robert Kraus with
     some
          of the
                          fundraising
                               results from Caryn Ann.
                               I welcome your feedback.
                          Wes Benedict, Executive Director
                          Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
                          1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
                            [2][10][13](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
                [1][3][11][[18]14][23]wes.benedict at lp.org
                            [2][4][12][15][24]facebook.com/libertarians
          @LPNational
                            Join the Libertarian Party at:
                      [3][5][13][16][19][25]http://lp.org/membership
                               -------- Forwarded Message --------
                               Subject: Harlos Fundraising
                                  Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
                                From: Robert S. Kraus
              [4][20]<[6][14][17][26]robert.kraus at lp.org>
                                  To: Wes Benedict
          [5]<[7][15][[21]18][27]wes.benedict at lp.org
              >
                          I have Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total
     of
          $2,335.00
              for
                    82
                          members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks
     have
          also
                    contributed
                          a
                          net total excluding conv related gifts of
     $6,261.74
          since
              2016
                          convention - bunch of them to Hist Preservation
     of
          course
              so
                    she has
                          her
                          fans)
                          In addition she is likely 95% responsible for
     the
          $12,120
                    raised for
                          Historic Preservation
                          Finally she has given $2181 herself since the
     2016
              convention
                    (non
                          convention related - however $1525 was for Hist
              Preservation)
                          --
                          Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
                          [[22]6]Operations at LP.org
                          Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
                          1444 Duke Street
                          Alexandria, VA 22314
                          Ph: [8]202.333.0008 x 231
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