[Lnc-business] Caryn Ann Harlos fundraising and membership recruitment
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sun Feb 25 15:33:29 EST 2018
Thank you Erin. I think your points are entirely reasonable.
Others are complaining however that this merely a profile raising ploy
(that’s pretty insulting) so it would not have mattered to them because I
allegedly had said for a year something I didn’t and so on and so forth.
But the fact is I did report it. I thank you for acknowledging that
perhaps you should have asked more about it.
Hopefully some others who have really tried to tar me will concede they had
that opportunity as well.
The bigger precedent this has set is that people will be more reluctant to
more than required because things get nastily personal.
For those who haven’t- thank you. And let’s fix any faulty policies.
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:17 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> Not reading reports is the fault of those not reading them. Wes
> apparently did. And inb4 “but your reports are so long!” - that was in the
> summary - in the part that is easy and short and everyone can read.
>
> The fact is however that regional reports are given short shrift
> historically on the LNC. In the past it was often an item stricken from
> the agenda entirely.
>
> LNC Members are expected to read reports. It is our job. Not reading the
> nitty gritty of each state is understandable that is why I do the summary.
>
> This is a classic: “you should have said something!!!”
>
> This is something.
>
> “You should have said something else!”
>
> For a time you were not on this body. Perhaps along with the plentiful
> outrage you seem to have on one point you can now decide that perhaps
> reports should be read.
>
> -Caryn
>
>
>
>
>
> The policies in place were followed. And those who had the authority to
> approve did. And I did report.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:53 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> There have been absolutely incorrect items mixed in. So I stand in my
>> comment.
>>
>> It was reported.
>>
>> I doubt that will make the gossip rounds.
>>
>> No matter that is life in the LP fortunately.
>>
>> I’m sure a new outrage will be easily found.
>>
>> I completely appreciate the legitimate concerns. Very much so. And
>> completely legitimate concerns can and have been salted with political
>> smear.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:40 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <
>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently, very few LNC members read your report.
>>>
>>> This also doesn't address the issue of this being discussed by the LNC,
>>> before a decision was made. Your report is after a decision was made,
>>> and without this board weighing-in.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>
>>> On 2018-02-25 14:17, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> > Thank you Wes. Actually last night I did wake up and realize THIS WAS
>>> > IN MY REPORT. I put EVERYTHING in my reports.
>>> >
>>> > Any LNC member could have read that. It was sent to party members.
>>> > It
>>> > was posted online multiple places.
>>> >
>>> > I reported it.
>>> >
>>> > I hope that at least settles part of the political smear job that
>>> > has
>>> > ensued.
>>> >
>>> > And I am going to relisten to that entire NOLA meeting (though there
>>> > was equipment malfunction for part of the time) as I am pretty
>>> > positive
>>> > it was discussed informally there. Wes or Lauren may recall.
>>> >
>>> > All of our policies were followed. I DID DISCLOSE THIS TO THE LNC.
>>> >
>>> > -Caryn Ann
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 7:24 AM Wes Benedict
>>> > <[1]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Substantial updates below.
>>> > Robert Kraus, based on the general direction provided by the
>>> > chair (a
>>> > copy pasted below), please issue the reimbursement to Caryn Ann
>>> > Harlos
>>> > ($439.73 I believe), but wait until Tuesday morning to do it to
>>> > give
>>> > the LNC the opportunity to get a motion started to deny the
>>> > reimbursement in case they want to do that (something I think
>>> > is
>>> > unlikely, but of course possible). If a motion addressing these
>>> > issues
>>> > has co-sponsors, even though we won't know for 10 days whether
>>> > or
>>> > not
>>> > it would pass, if a motion were in process, I'd find it prudent
>>> > to hold
>>> > off on the reimbursement until such a motion has time to
>>> > complete.
>>> > Although it's among lots of other information, I think it's
>>> > worth
>>> > pointing out that Ms. Harlos included that she would be sent to
>>> > some
>>> > state convention in 2018 in her region report at the December
>>> > 2017 LNC
>>> > meeting in New Orleans. Excerpt below:
>>> > Membership Growth - "I have been obtaining the lists of
>>> > Regional
>>> > lapsed members for Region 1 and making calls to encourage
>>> > renewal
>>> > earlier this year. I also have been promoting National
>>> > memberships
>>> > at the state conventions and have personally signed up about
>>> > 150 new
>>> > members between in-person and on-line renewals. I am being
>>> > sent
>>> > to
>>> > several conventions in 2018 by the national party to recruit.
>>> > I
>>> > constantly coach and encourage my region regarding national
>>> > memberships."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > [1][2]http://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-12-09_LNC_Me
>>> > eting_
>>> > Region_1_Report.pdf
>>> > I do not recall if this program was discussed during some
>>> > portion
>>> > of
>>> > the LNC meeting (like budget or elsewhere). Daniel Hayes
>>> > mentioned he
>>> > recalls hearing about the program but that could have been
>>> > outside of
>>> > the meeting. I don't think I personally brought it up during
>>> > the
>>> > staff
>>> > portion of the meeting. In case anyone is inclined to do review
>>> > the LNC
>>> > meeting, the LNC meeting can be watched again here:
>>> > [2][3]https://www.lp.org/event/lnc-meeting-new-orleans-la/
>>> > Going forward . . .
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos, please resume our plans for you to attend
>>> > state
>>> > conventions, to recruit members, and to have your travel
>>> > reimbursed by
>>> > the LNC (again, like above, unless the LNC initiates a motion
>>> > aimed at
>>> > ending the practice in which case it would be wise to wait for
>>> > that
>>> > motion to complete). Going forward, I think we should restrict
>>> > reimbursements for visits outside of your region. Thank you for
>>> > your
>>> > service. Sorry about the kerfuffle.
>>> > If any other LNC members are interested in visiting a state
>>> > convention
>>> > to recruit members and to have the expenses covered by the
>>> > party,
>>> > please identify the state convention you'd like to try and I'll
>>> > let you
>>> > know if that one is covered yet and if I think it's a good
>>> > opportunity.
>>> > If interested, for transparency purposes, I think it's best to
>>> > make
>>> > your offer publicly on this LNC discuss list. Also, please
>>> > provide
>>> > projections on the expenses and revenue you expect. I'll not
>>> > personally
>>> > approve a trip that is very likely to have too poor of an ROI
>>> > (e.g. a
>>> > trip to an expensive place to reach with a likely low
>>> > attendance--no
>>> > offense intended, but Hawaii comes to mind--I'll not approve
>>> > Hawaii
>>> > unless someone makes a really good case for it). I will intend
>>> > to
>>> > report your results and based on your results from your first
>>> > state
>>> > we'll see if a second state is warranted.
>>> > LNC members, this project is not critical. It will likely cost
>>> > less
>>> > than 1% of our budget, and will likely bring in less than 1% to
>>> > 3% of
>>> > our members. If it's too much of a distraction, I will not be
>>> > offended
>>> > if you vote to end the program and it likely won't have a major
>>> > impact
>>> > (unless more LNC members participate and are more successful
>>> > than
>>> > I
>>> > anticipate).
>>> > I do like trying new things to get our membership up, and like
>>> > using
>>> > volunteers when they are available if the staff required to
>>> > support the
>>> > volunteers isn't overly burdensome. I also like having LNC
>>> > members use
>>> > their talents when available.
>>> > As usual, our operations director Robert Kraus is always happy
>>> > to
>>> > provide lists of people to LNC members to call for membership
>>> > renewals
>>> > and donations to the national party from the comfort of your
>>> > home. If
>>> > interested in making fundraising calls, let me or Robert know.
>>> > (The chair's comments are below as referenced above.)
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > --Wes Benedict
>>> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> > Subject: [Lnc-business] Expense Reimbursement for Fundraising
>>> > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:06:19 -0700
>>> > From: Nicholas Sarwark [3]<[4]chair at lp.org>
>>> > Reply-To: [4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > To: [5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > Dear All,
>>> > Expense reimbursements to LNC members have been made (and will be
>>> > made
>>> > in the future) according to the rules set out in our policy
>>> > manual.
>>> > The Chair and/or the Treasurer (depending on the situation)
>>> > approve
>>> > the expenses and no officer approves his or her own expenses.
>>> > When expense reimbursements for party business are made to a
>>> > member
>>> > of
>>> > the LNC, they are reported on the related party transactions
>>> > portion
>>> > of the Treasurer's report.
>>> > As our fundraising infrastructure has improved, there are more
>>> > opportunities for fundraising events than there is availability
>>> > from
>>> > only staff and the Chair. If LNC members are able to handle events
>>> > at
>>> > the direction of the Executive Director or Head of Development,
>>> > they
>>> > have been (and will continue to be) reimbursed for their expenses
>>> > associated with those events.
>>> > Membership recruitment is one part of an effective fundraising
>>> > strategy. When a person makes an initial financial commitment to
>>> > the
>>> > party, they are much more likely to make future financial
>>> > commitments
>>> > over their lifetime (and sometimes at the end of it).
>>> > Absent a change in the policy manual or specific guidance in the
>>> > form
>>> > of a vote of the national committee, it is my intention to proceed
>>> > as
>>> > we have been doing in consultation with the Treasurer, Executive
>>> > Director, and the Head of Development.
>>> > Yours in liberty,
>>> > Nick
>>> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> > 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> > (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [6][7]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > [8]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> > Join the Libertarian Party at: [7][9]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > Wes Benedict wrote on 2/23/2018 2:09 PM:
>>> > Thanks for the response.
>>> > Joshua, we have sent Chair Sarwark and Vice Chair Vohra to
>>> > fundraising events and have reimbursed their travel expenses.
>>> > Our Head of Development is setting up additional fundraising
>>> > events
>>> > with the intention of the chair to attend.
>>> > What do you think about that? Would you recommend we cease
>>> > reimbursing the travel expenses for sending the chair for
>>> > fundraising events?
>>> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> > 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> > (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [8][10]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > [11]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> > Join the Libertarian Party at:
>>> > [9][12]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > On 2/23/2018 1:56 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>> > As I said, what's done is done. You should send the
>>> > funds.
>>> > That's
>>> > just my opinion, of course, since I can't act for this
>>> > organization,
>>> > but it's my opinion.
>>> > Joshua A. Katz
>>> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Wes Benedict
>>> > [10]<[1][13]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > Here's where we stand expense-wise on this if I have my
>>> > facts
>>> > correct--and I have gotten facts wrong on this so I
>>> > want
>>> > to be
>>> > transparent and corrected if I'm wrong.
>>> > So far, we have reimbursed Caryn Ann Harlos $198.96 for
>>> > SW
>>> > Airlines
>>> > under "Membership Fundraising Costs" and I think that
>>> > was
>>> > for
>>> > the
>>> > Arizona state convention.
>>> > Additionally, Caryn Ann submitted expenses for
>>> > reimbursement
>>> > for
>>> > $439.73 to be paid for fundraising at the WA state
>>> > convention.
>>> > I submitted those expenses to the treasurer with a
>>> > request for
>>> > approval, received the approval, but we haven't sent
>>> > those
>>> > funds to
>>> > Caryn Ann yet. Approval attached, if attachments are
>>> > working
>>> > today.
>>> > Now I'm unsure what I should do about the $439.73.
>>> > I'm pretty sure I should go ahead and have the funds
>>> > issued,
>>> > because, this was all done in compliance with the
>>> > policy
>>> > manual and
>>> > with the knowledge of the chair and treasurer.
>>> > Is there any opposition to me issuing the funds to
>>> > Caryn
>>> > Ann
>>> > for the
>>> > $439.73?
>>> > Today coincidentally we received the memberships in the
>>> > mail
>>> > from
>>> > WA: a total of 16 memberships for $690 total plus a
>>> > $25
>>> > a
>>> > month
>>> > donor.
>>> > Josh, what do you think? Do you think I should issue
>>> > the
>>> > payment of
>>> > $439.73 to Caryn Ann?
>>> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> > 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> > [2](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>>> > [[11]3][14]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > [4][15]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> > Join the Libertarian Party at:
>>> > [5][12][16]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>> > I agree with the ED on scenario 1. I lean towards
>>> > agreeing
>>> > about
>>> > Scenario 2.
>>> > There should also be LNC training, at the start of
>>> > each
>>> > term
>>> > (or, at
>>> > least, this is my suggestion to future LNCs) about
>>> > recognizing
>>> > issues
>>> > relating to duties of directors.
>>> > Joshua A. Katz
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Joshua+A.+Katz&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Wes Benedict
>>> > [13]<[1][6][17]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > Scenario 1.
>>> > If the LNC wants to encourage the chair to
>>> > approve
>>> > reimbursing
>>> > Caryn
>>> > Ann Harlos for expenses for travel outside of her
>>> > region
>>> > for
>>> > the
>>> > purpose of recruiting dues-paying members, then
>>> > the
>>> > LNC
>>> > can
>>> > pass a
>>> > motion to that effect.
>>> > ==========
>>> > Unless that happens, I lean towards taking
>>> > Joshua's
>>> > advice of
>>> > discontinuing the practice, given that no one has
>>> > spoken
>>> > up in
>>> > support, and that Caryn Ann has rescinded her
>>> > willingness.
>>> > I think Caryn Ann probably recruited more
>>> > dues-paying
>>> > members
>>> > to the
>>> > national LP in the past 12 months than all other
>>> > LNC
>>> > members
>>> > combined.
>>> > Aaron Starr started a program called "Give or
>>> > Get".
>>> > It
>>> > was
>>> > quite
>>> > successful, was in 2006 to 2008 and you can read
>>> > about
>>> > in the
>>> > LNC
>>> > minutes here:
>>> >
>>> > [2][7][14][18]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
>>> > I believe flights and hotel expenses were covered
>>> > for
>>> > a
>>> > few LNC
>>> > members for the "Give or Get" program. I point
>>> > that
>>> > out
>>> > because
>>> > there's a precedent for paying travel expenses for
>>> > LNC
>>> > members to
>>> > do
>>> > fundraising.
>>> > The LNC has routinely reimbursed the current and
>>> > former
>>> > Chairs
>>> > for
>>> > travel expenses related to party business including
>>> > fundraisers,
>>> > but
>>> > excluding LNC meetings, and in accordance with the
>>> > Policy
>>> > Manual.
>>> > ==========
>>> > Scenario 2.
>>> > While typing this note a donor has offered to help
>>> > cover
>>> > Caryn
>>> > Ann's
>>> > expenses for this purpose. If the donor is willing
>>> > to
>>> > cover 100%
>>> > of
>>> > those expenses, and if the donor reimburses Caryn
>>> > Ann
>>> > directly,
>>> > and
>>> > then the donor reports the reimbursements to me as
>>> > an
>>> > in-kind
>>> > contribution (probably with the assistance of Caryn
>>> > Ann),
>>> > that
>>> > would
>>> > take control of the process out of my hands and out
>>> > of the
>>> > LNC's
>>> > hands.
>>> > ==========
>>> > I recommend the LNC vote regarding Scenario 1, so
>>> > you
>>> > can
>>> > make it
>>> > more clear whether or not you approve having LNC
>>> > members
>>> > have
>>> > expenses reimbursed for raising funds, but that's
>>> > up
>>> > to
>>> > you all.
>>> > As
>>> > we ramp up our fundraising efforts, it will help me
>>> > to
>>> > know if I
>>> > should make staff the primary relationship builders
>>> > with
>>> > our
>>> > donors,
>>> > or if I should keep the opportunity open for board
>>> > members
>>> > as
>>> > well.
>>> > I also encourage feedback from individual LNC
>>> > members
>>> > regarding
>>> > Scenario 2 even though technically I don't think
>>> > approval
>>> > is
>>> > required. I'd like that feedback because I'm
>>> > willing
>>> > to
>>> > cooperate
>>> > with Caryn Ann and the donor if there's not a lot
>>> > of
>>> > opposition
>>> > by
>>> > the LNC. If there's a lot of opposition by the LNC,
>>> > I'll
>>> > be less
>>> > cooperative with Caryn Ann as she recruits members
>>> > and
>>> > raises
>>> > funds
>>> > for the party.
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> > [3]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> > [4][8](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>>> > [5][[15]9][19]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > [6][10][20]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> > Join the Libertarian Party at:
>>> > [7][11][16][21]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > On 2/23/2018 12:01 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>> > Wes,
>>> > Thank you for opening a discussion on this. I do
>>> > not
>>> > believe
>>> > it is
>>> > proper to use party funds to send LNC members to
>>> > state
>>> > conventions
>>> > unless they are "lame ducks" (and, honestly,
>>> > probably
>>> > not then
>>> > either). The facts provided are enlightening and
>>> > important,
>>> > but
>>> > the
>>> > question here is about the principle, not the
>>> > people or
>>> > the
>>> > individual
>>> > circumstances. The principle is that, as you
>>> > note
>>> > in
>>> > your
>>> > email,
>>> > this
>>> > is a discretionary decision by staff. Staff is
>>> > determining,
>>> > based,
>>> > to
>>> > be sure, on perfectly legitimate factors, which
>>> > LNC
>>> > members are
>>> > being
>>> > sent and where. There is nothing compelling
>>> > staff
>>> > in
>>> > the
>>> > future to
>>> > use
>>> > the factors you identify here, and different,
>>> > less
>>> > legitimate
>>> > factors,
>>> > could be used in the future. The way to prevent
>>> > that is
>>> > "all
>>> > or
>>> > nothing." But "all" is impractical, and also not
>>> > a
>>> > good
>>> > idea.
>>> > Other corporations handle this in a more direct
>>> > fashion
>>> > - they
>>> > pay
>>> > directors. We don't do that (and I'm not
>>> > suggesting
>>> > it). In
>>> > fact,
>>> > we
>>> > encourage directors to donate, and I highly
>>> > appreciate
>>> > that Ms.
>>> > Harlos
>>> > does so. I don't see how it changes this
>>> > arrangement,
>>> > though.
>>> > We
>>> > have
>>> > rules against being an employee and a director
>>> > simultaneously -
>>> > to
>>> > the
>>> > extent an LNC member benefits (in addition to the
>>> > party
>>> > benefits)
>>> > from
>>> > such travel paid for by the party, the
>>> > arrangement
>>> > is
>>> > somewhat
>>> > akin
>>> > to
>>> > employing that director to provide a service: in
>>> > this
>>> > case,
>>> > membership
>>> > recruitment. Maybe Ms. Harlos gets no benefit at
>>> > all
>>> > from such
>>> > travel,
>>> > but will that be true for future LNC members?
>>> > The
>>> > potentials
>>> > for
>>> > self-dealing are numerous. Directors play a role
>>> > in
>>> > selecting
>>> > and
>>> > hiring staff - could directors hire and retain
>>> > staff who
>>> > will
>>> > provide
>>> > travel for those specific directors, and in turn,
>>> > then
>>> > enjoy an
>>> > advantage in future LNC elections?
>>> > I have every confidence that Ms. Harlos does not
>>> > campaign while
>>> > at
>>> > these conventions. If an LNC member attends a
>>> > convention and
>>> > is
>>> > highly
>>> > visible (you can't recruit national members if
>>> > you
>>> > sit
>>> > in the
>>> > back
>>> > of
>>> > the room quietly), benefits are still gained,
>>> > albeit
>>> > incidentally
>>> > and
>>> > without that being the motive, in future
>>> > elections.
>>> > It's not a
>>> > policy
>>> > manual violation because they're no campaigning,
>>> > but the
>>> > conflicts
>>> > remain potentially large. By definition, it is a
>>> > benefit not
>>> > available
>>> > to other candidates - the reason it doesn't
>>> > violate
>>> > the
>>> > policy
>>> > manual
>>> > is that it's not done in the role of candidate.
>>> > Be that as it may, we could still decide that the
>>> > benefits
>>> > outweigh
>>> > the
>>> > dangers. That would be a reasonable decision.
>>> > However,
>>> > I am
>>> > of
>>> > the
>>> > opinion that before it began, it should have been
>>> > disclosed to
>>> > the
>>> > board and a vote taken of the disinterested
>>> > directors.
>>> > It
>>> > could be
>>> > pointed out that, potentially at least, there
>>> > would
>>> > be
>>> > no
>>> > disinterested
>>> > directors in such a decision (at least in spirit)
>>> > -
>>> > that
>>> > would
>>> > be a
>>> > reason not to do it.
>>> > Your answer to why you aren't sending other LNC
>>> > members
>>> > to
>>> > state
>>> > conventions is perfectly appropriate and
>>> > rational.
>>> > You
>>> > should
>>> > not
>>> > send
>>> > people to state conventions at party expense who
>>> > will
>>> > not
>>> > produce a
>>> > positive return on investment (I, for instance,
>>> > probably
>>> > wouldn't). Of
>>> > course, other LNC members could, conceivably,
>>> > produce
>>> > value in
>>> > other
>>> > ways. I have provided parliamentary services for
>>> > several state
>>> > parties, sometimes with funding from the state
>>> > party,
>>> > sometimes
>>> > at
>>> > my
>>> > own expense. That's not something that produces
>>> > funds
>>> > for the
>>> > party,
>>> > of course, but it does provide affiliate support,
>>> > something we
>>> > also
>>> > do. I most certainly should not do that on party
>>> > funds. What,
>>> > precisely, is the difference? Well, membership
>>> > brings
>>> > in money
>>> > and, as
>>> > you note, numbers have been falling. Does that
>>> > make it
>>> > a
>>> > priority
>>> > over
>>> > providing other services, or the many other
>>> > things
>>> > we
>>> > could
>>> > send
>>> > LNC
>>> > members to do? Well, maybe. The LNC did not
>>> > adopt
>>> > any
>>> > goals
>>> > this
>>> > term. Last term, the LNC adopted goals, and
>>> > retaining/increasing
>>> > membership wasn't one of them. I believe you
>>> > told
>>> > us
>>> > that you
>>> > weren't
>>> > focusing on membership numbers, as a result. As
>>> > has
>>> > come up in
>>> > prior
>>> > discussions, I agree with not prioritizing
>>> > membership
>>> > numbers -
>>> > I
>>> > think
>>> > that, over the long term (granted, not the
>>> > immediate
>>> > term) we
>>> > need
>>> > to
>>> > focus on relying less on membership for revenue
>>> > and
>>> > developing
>>> > other
>>> > streams. To your credit, staff (and especially
>>> > Lauren)
>>> > has
>>> > been
>>> > developing other revenue streams, and doing so
>>> > very
>>> > effectively.
>>> > Membership does have the advantage of predictable
>>> > cash
>>> > flow,
>>> > admittedly. But I simply am not that worried
>>> > about
>>> > falling
>>> > membership
>>> > numbers persay - if anything, I think of
>>> > membership
>>> > numbers as
>>> > the
>>> > tail, not the dog. That is, I think we can
>>> > improve
>>> > membership
>>> > by
>>> > doing
>>> > things like electing candidates to public office
>>> > and
>>> > having
>>> > them
>>> > implement libertarian policies. More
>>> > importantly,
>>> > this
>>> > board
>>> > doesn't
>>> > seem to regard it as a priority. But that is a
>>> > somewhat
>>> > different
>>> > question.
>>> > Or, to use another example, members of the LNC
>>> > travel to
>>> > states
>>> > where
>>> > signatures are needed and gather hundreds of
>>> > volunteer
>>> > signatures.
>>> > Granted, they don't desire to be paid for their
>>> > expenses
>>> > in
>>> > those
>>> > cases, but if they did, I don't think staff would
>>> > agree
>>> > to pay
>>> > -
>>> > and I
>>> > think that would be the right call, most of the
>>> > time at
>>> > least.
>>> > That
>>> > also doesn't put money in our pocket, although it
>>> > has
>>> > the
>>> > ultimate
>>> > effect (if history is any guide) of keeping money
>>> > there
>>> > that
>>> > would
>>> > otherwise leave.
>>> > So, in summary, my position is that we should not
>>> > fund
>>> > LNC
>>> > member
>>> > travel, even if the LNC member agrees not to run
>>> > for
>>> > reelection.
>>> > But I
>>> > recognize that opinions can differ on that, so my
>>> > additional
>>> > opinion is
>>> > that the board is within its rights to decide
>>> > otherwise,
>>> > but
>>> > that
>>> > potentially conflicted transactions involving
>>> > board
>>> > members
>>> > should
>>> > be
>>> > discussed with the board ahead of time, and
>>> > approved by
>>> > a
>>> > majority
>>> > of
>>> > disinterested directors. What's done is done. I
>>> > think
>>> > that
>>> > before
>>> > it
>>> > continues, action should be taken to approve it
>>> > (or
>>> > not)
>>> > by a
>>> > majority
>>> > of disinterested directors. There's no rule that
>>> > can
>>> > compel
>>> > that
>>> > outcome, it's just my opinion.
>>> > Joshua A. Katz
>>> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Wes Benedict
>>> > [17]<[1][8][12][22]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > Dear LNC,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot of
>>> > dues-paying
>>> > members
>>> > by
>>> > attending state conventions and getting
>>> > people to
>>> > join
>>> > or
>>> > renew.
>>> > At first, she did this at state
>>> > conventions
>>> > she
>>> > was
>>> > attending
>>> > in her
>>> > region at her own expense.
>>> > Her results were so strong that I asked
>>> > her
>>> > if
>>> > she would
>>> > be
>>> > willing
>>> > to go to some other states outside of her
>>> > region
>>> > to do
>>> > similar
>>> > fundraising efforts if her travel expenses
>>> > were
>>> > reimbursed.
>>> > We have been struggling to keep membership
>>> > from
>>> > falling.
>>> > We
>>> > send
>>> > renewal emails and renewal letters that
>>> > perform
>>> > reasonably
>>> > well
>>> > but
>>> > pretty much exhaust that method. Other
>>> > methods we
>>> > try
>>> > have
>>> > very
>>> > low
>>> > ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been
>>> > comparatively
>>> > strong.
>>> > Caryn Ann attended the Washington State
>>> > convention last
>>> > weekend
>>> > and
>>> > recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying members for
>>> > the
>>> > national
>>> > LP.
>>> > That trip is one in which we have
>>> > reimbursed
>>> > her
>>> > for her
>>> > travel.
>>> > I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more state
>>> > conventions to
>>> > have
>>> > her do
>>> > this work. No one else has done this as
>>> > successfully as
>>> > Caryn
>>> > Ann.
>>> > Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't pay
>>> > her
>>> > for
>>> > her
>>> > time.
>>> > For conventions that Caryn Ann is unable
>>> > to
>>> > take
>>> > the
>>> > time to
>>> > attend,
>>> > I will be sending our staff member Jess
>>> > Mears.
>>> > The thing
>>> > with
>>> > Jess
>>> > is that we pay her for her hours to
>>> > travel,
>>> > attend, and
>>> > return
>>> > from
>>> > state conventions. She's unlikely to get
>>> > as
>>> > high
>>> > of a
>>> > ROI.
>>> > I received a complaint today that it is
>>> > inappropriate
>>> > for
>>> > someone
>>> > running for a position on the LNC to have
>>> > travel
>>> > reimbursed.
>>> > I sympathize with the complaint, but do
>>> > not
>>> > think
>>> > it's a
>>> > violation
>>> > of our policies.
>>> > Nevertheless, I bring this up to the LNC
>>> > for
>>> > your
>>> > feedback.
>>> > If
>>> > you
>>> > request a stop to sending Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > or any
>>> > other
>>> > LNC
>>> > member
>>> > to state conventions for the purpose of
>>> > recruiting
>>> > dues-paying
>>> > members, we can end the program.
>>> > A reasonable question might be, "I'm
>>> > willing
>>> > to
>>> > go to
>>> > state
>>> > convention at the expense of the LNC and
>>> > recruit
>>> > members--why
>>> > don't
>>> > you send me?" The answer is that Caryn Ann
>>> > proved
>>> > her
>>> > willingness
>>> > and capability within her own region. No
>>> > other
>>> > LNC
>>> > members
>>> > have
>>> > mailed us several envelopes of dues-paying
>>> > members from
>>> > their
>>> > states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears together
>>> > are not
>>> > able
>>> > to
>>> > attend
>>> > every state convention. If you are
>>> > interested in
>>> > helping,
>>> > and
>>> > willing to prove your ability first at a
>>> > state in
>>> > your
>>> > region
>>> > or at
>>> > another state at your own expense, let me
>>> > know
>>> > and we
>>> > might
>>> > be
>>> > able
>>> > [9]to try that. And then we can report
>>> > the
>>> > results.
>>> > Below is a report from Robert Kraus with
>>> > some
>>> > of the
>>> > fundraising
>>> > results from Caryn Ann.
>>> > I welcome your feedback.
>>> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> > 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> > [2][10][13](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>>> > [1][3][11][[18]14][23]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > [2][4][12][15][24]
>>> facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > @LPNational
>>> > Join the Libertarian Party at:
>>> > [3][5][13][16][19][25]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> > Subject: Harlos Fundraising
>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47 -0500
>>> > From: Robert S. Kraus
>>> > [4][20]<[6][14][17][26]robert.kraus at lp.org>
>>> > To: Wes Benedict
>>> > [5]<[7][15][[21]18][27]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > >
>>> > I have Harlos pegged as solicitor for a total
>>> > of
>>> > $2,335.00
>>> > for
>>> > 82
>>> > members 49 of which where new (these 82 folks
>>> > have
>>> > also
>>> > contributed
>>> > a
>>> > net total excluding conv related gifts of
>>> > $6,261.74
>>> > since
>>> > 2016
>>> > convention - bunch of them to Hist
>>> > Preservation
>>> > of
>>> > course
>>> > so
>>> > she has
>>> > her
>>> > fans)
>>> > In addition she is likely 95% responsible for
>>> > the
>>> > $12,120
>>> > raised for
>>> > Historic Preservation
>>> > Finally she has given $2181 herself since the
>>> > 2016
>>> > convention
>>> > (non
>>> > convention related - however $1525 was for
>>> > Hist
>>> > Preservation)
>>> > --
>>> > Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
>>> > [[22]6]Operations at LP.org
>>> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> > 1444 Duke Street
>>> > Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> > Ph: [8]202.333.0008 x 231
>>> > References
>>> > 1.
>>> > mailto:[9][16][[23]19][28]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 2.
>>> > [10][17][20][24][29]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 3.
>>> > [11][18][21][25][30]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 4.
>>> > mailto:[12][19][[26]22][31]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 5.
>>> > mailto:[13][20][[27]23][32]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 6. mailto:[[28]14]Operations at LP.org
>>> > References
>>> > 1. mailto:[21][[29]24][33]
>>> wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 2. tel:[22][25](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>> > 3. mailto:[23][[30]26][34]
>>> wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 4.
>>> > [24][27][31][35]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 5. [25][28][32][36]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 6. mailto:[26][[33]29][37]
>>> robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 7. mailto:[27][[34]30][38]
>>> wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 8. tel:[28]202.333.0008 x 231
>>> > 9. mailto:[29][[35]31][39]
>>> wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 10.
>>> > [30][32][36][40]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 11. [31][33][37][41]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 12. mailto:[32][[38]34][42]
>>> robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 13. mailto:[33][[39]35][43]
>>> wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 14. mailto:[[40]34]Operations at LP.org
>>> > References
>>> > 1. mailto:[[41]36][44]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 2.
>>> > [37][42][45]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
>>> > 3. [38][43][46]https://maps.google.com/?q=144
>>> > 4+Duke+St.,+Alexandria,+VA+22314&entry=gmail&source=g
>>> > 4. tel:[39](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>> > 5. mailto:[[44]40][47]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 6. [41][45][48]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 7. [42][46][49]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 8. mailto:[[47]43][50]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 9. [44][48][51]https://maps.google.com/?q=to+
>>> >
>>> > try+that.+And+then+we+can+report+the&entry=gmail&source=g
>>> > 10. tel:[45](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>> > 11. mailto:[[49]46][52]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 12. [47][50][53]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 13. [48][51][54]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 14. mailto:[[52]49][55]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 15. mailto:[[53]50][56]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 16. mailto:[[54]51][57]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 17. [52][55][58]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 18. [53][56][59]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 19. mailto:[[57]54][60]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 20. mailto:[[58]55][61]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 21. mailto:[[59]56][62]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 22. tel:[57](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>> > 23. mailto:[[60]58][63]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 24. [59][61][64]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 25. [60][62][65]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 26. mailto:[[63]61][66]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 27. mailto:[[64]62][67]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 28. tel:[63]202.333.0008 x 231
>>> > 29. mailto:[[65]64][68]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 30. [65][66][69]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 31. [66][67][70]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 32. mailto:[[68]67][71]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 33. mailto:[[69]68][72]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 34. mailto:[[70]69]Operations at LP.org
>>> > References
>>> > 1. [71]mailto:[73]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 2. [72]tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>> > 3. [73]mailto:[74]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 4. [74][75]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 5. [75][76]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 6. [76]mailto:[77]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 7. [77][78]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
>>> > 8. [78]tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>> > 9. [79]mailto:[79]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 10. [80][80]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 11. [81][81]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 12. [82]mailto:[82]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 13. [83]tel:(202)
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3%5Dtel:(202)&entry=gmail&source=g>333-0008
>>> ext. 232
>>> > 14. [84]mailto:[83]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 15. [85][84]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 16. [86][85]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 17. [87]mailto:[86]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 18. [88]mailto:[87]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 19. [89]mailto:[88]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 20. [90][89]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 21. [91][90]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 22. [92]mailto:[91]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 23. [93]mailto:[92]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 24. [94]mailto:[93]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 25. [95]tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>> > 26. [96]mailto:[94]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 27. [97][95]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 28. [98][96]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 29. [99]mailto:[97]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 30. [100]mailto:[98]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 31. [101]mailto:[99]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 32. [102][100]http://facebook.com/libertarians
>>> > 33. [103][101]http://lp.org/membership
>>> > 34. [104]mailto:[102]robert.kraus at lp.org
>>> > 35. [105]mailto:[103]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> > 36. [106]mailto:[104] <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>
>>
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Thank you Erin. I think your points are entirely reasonable.
Others are complaining however that this merely a profile raising ploy
(that’s pretty insulting) so it would not have mattered to them because
I allegedly had said for a year something I didn’t and so on and so
forth.
But the fact is I did report it. I thank you for acknowledging that
perhaps you should have asked more about it.
Hopefully some others who have really tried to tar me will concede they
had that opportunity as well.
The bigger precedent this has set is that people will be more reluctant
to more than required because things get nastily personal.
For those who haven’t- thank you. And let’s fix any faulty policies.
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:17 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Not reading reports is the fault of those not reading them. Wes
apparently did. And inb4 “but your reports are so long!” - that was in
the summary - in the part that is easy and short and everyone can read.
The fact is however that regional reports are given short shrift
historically on the LNC. In the past it was often an item stricken
from the agenda entirely.
LNC Members are expected to read reports. It is our job. Not reading
the nitty gritty of each state is understandable that is why I do the
summary.
This is a classic: “you should have said something!!!”
This is something.
“You should have said something else!”
For a time you were not on this body. Perhaps along with the plentiful
outrage you seem to have on one point you can now decide that perhaps
reports should be read.
-Caryn
The policies in place were followed. And those who had the authority to
approve did. And I did report.
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:53 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
There have been absolutely incorrect items mixed in. So I stand in my
comment.
It was reported.
I doubt that will make the gossip rounds.
No matter that is life in the LP fortunately.
I’m sure a new outrage will be easily found.
I completely appreciate the legitimate concerns. Very much so. And
completely legitimate concerns can and have been salted with political
smear.
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:40 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
Apparently, very few LNC members read your report.
This also doesn't address the issue of this being discussed by the
LNC,
before a decision was made. Your report is after a decision was
made,
and without this board weighing-in.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[4]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-02-25 14:17, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Thank you Wes. Actually last night I did wake up and realize THIS
WAS
> IN MY REPORT. I put EVERYTHING in my reports.
>
> Any LNC member could have read that. It was sent to party
members.
> It
> was posted online multiple places.
>
> I reported it.
>
> I hope that at least settles part of the political smear job
that
> has
> ensued.
>
> And I am going to relisten to that entire NOLA meeting (though
there
> was equipment malfunction for part of the time) as I am pretty
> positive
> it was discussed informally there. Wes or Lauren may recall.
>
> All of our policies were followed. I DID DISCLOSE THIS TO THE
LNC.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 7:24 AM Wes Benedict
> <[1][5]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Substantial updates below.
> Robert Kraus, based on the general direction provided by
the
> chair (a
> copy pasted below), please issue the reimbursement to
Caryn Ann
> Harlos
> ($439.73 I believe), but wait until Tuesday morning to do
it to
> give
> the LNC the opportunity to get a motion started to deny
the
> reimbursement in case they want to do that (something I
think
> is
> unlikely, but of course possible). If a motion addressing
these
> issues
> has co-sponsors, even though we won't know for 10 days
whether
> or
> not
> it would pass, if a motion were in process, I'd find it
prudent
> to hold
> off on the reimbursement until such a motion has time to
> complete.
> Although it's among lots of other information, I think
it's
> worth
> pointing out that Ms. Harlos included that she would be
sent to
> some
> state convention in 2018 in her region report at the
December
> 2017 LNC
> meeting in New Orleans. Excerpt below:
> Membership Growth - "I have been obtaining the lists of
> Regional
> lapsed members for Region 1 and making calls to
encourage
> renewal
> earlier this year. I also have been promoting National
> memberships
> at the state conventions and have personally signed up
about
> 150 new
> members between in-person and on-line renewals. I am
being
> sent
> to
> several conventions in 2018 by the national party to
recruit.
> I
> constantly coach and encourage my region regarding
national
> memberships."
>
>
>
[1][2][6]http://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-12-09_LNC
_Me
> eting_
> Region_1_Report.pdf
> I do not recall if this program was discussed during some
> portion
> of
> the LNC meeting (like budget or elsewhere). Daniel Hayes
> mentioned he
> recalls hearing about the program but that could have been
> outside of
> the meeting. I don't think I personally brought it up
during
> the
> staff
> portion of the meeting. In case anyone is inclined to do
review
> the LNC
> meeting, the LNC meeting can be watched again here:
>
[2][3][7]https://www.lp.org/event/lnc-meeting-new-orleans-la/
> Going forward . . .
> Caryn Ann Harlos, please resume our plans for you to
attend
> state
> conventions, to recruit members, and to have your travel
> reimbursed by
> the LNC (again, like above, unless the LNC initiates a
motion
> aimed at
> ending the practice in which case it would be wise to wait
for
> that
> motion to complete). Going forward, I think we should
restrict
> reimbursements for visits outside of your region. Thank
you for
> your
> service. Sorry about the kerfuffle.
> If any other LNC members are interested in visiting a
state
> convention
> to recruit members and to have the expenses covered by the
> party,
> please identify the state convention you'd like to try and
I'll
> let you
> know if that one is covered yet and if I think it's a good
> opportunity.
> If interested, for transparency purposes, I think it's
best to
> make
> your offer publicly on this LNC discuss list. Also, please
> provide
> projections on the expenses and revenue you expect. I'll
not
> personally
> approve a trip that is very likely to have too poor of an
ROI
> (e.g. a
> trip to an expensive place to reach with a likely low
> attendance--no
> offense intended, but Hawaii comes to mind--I'll not
approve
> Hawaii
> unless someone makes a really good case for it). I will
intend
> to
> report your results and based on your results from your
first
> state
> we'll see if a second state is warranted.
> LNC members, this project is not critical. It will likely
cost
> less
> than 1% of our budget, and will likely bring in less than
1% to
> 3% of
> our members. If it's too much of a distraction, I will not
be
> offended
> if you vote to end the program and it likely won't have a
major
> impact
> (unless more LNC members participate and are more
successful
> than
> I
> anticipate).
> I do like trying new things to get our membership up, and
like
> using
> volunteers when they are available if the staff required
to
> support the
> volunteers isn't overly burdensome. I also like having LNC
> members use
> their talents when available.
> As usual, our operations director Robert Kraus is always
happy
> to
> provide lists of people to LNC members to call for
membership
> renewals
> and donations to the national party from the comfort of
your
> home. If
> interested in making fundraising calls, let me or Robert
know.
> (The chair's comments are below as referenced above.)
> Thanks,
> --Wes Benedict
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: [Lnc-business] Expense Reimbursement for
Fundraising
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:06:19 -0700
> From: Nicholas Sarwark [3]<[4][8]chair at lp.org>
> Reply-To: [4][5][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> To: [5][6][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Dear All,
> Expense reimbursements to LNC members have been made (and
will be
> made
> in the future) according to the rules set out in our policy
> manual.
> The Chair and/or the Treasurer (depending on the situation)
> approve
> the expenses and no officer approves his or her own expenses.
> When expense reimbursements for party business are made to a
> member
> of
> the LNC, they are reported on the related party transactions
> portion
> of the Treasurer's report.
> As our fundraising infrastructure has improved, there are
more
> opportunities for fundraising events than there is
availability
> from
> only staff and the Chair. If LNC members are able to handle
events
> at
> the direction of the Executive Director or Head of
Development,
> they
> have been (and will continue to be) reimbursed for their
expenses
> associated with those events.
> Membership recruitment is one part of an effective
fundraising
> strategy. When a person makes an initial financial
commitment to
> the
> party, they are much more likely to make future financial
> commitments
> over their lifetime (and sometimes at the end of it).
> Absent a change in the policy manual or specific guidance in
the
> form
> of a vote of the national committee, it is my intention to
proceed
> as
> we have been doing in consultation with the Treasurer,
Executive
> Director, and the Head of Development.
> Yours in liberty,
> Nick
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [6][7][11]wes.benedict at lp.org
> [8][12]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
[7][9][13]http://lp.org/membership
> Wes Benedict wrote on 2/23/2018 2:09 PM:
> Thanks for the response.
> Joshua, we have sent Chair Sarwark and Vice Chair Vohra
to
> fundraising events and have reimbursed their travel
expenses.
> Our Head of Development is setting up additional
fundraising
> events
> with the intention of the chair to attend.
> What do you think about that? Would you recommend we
cease
> reimbursing the travel expenses for sending the chair
for
> fundraising events?
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [8][10][14]wes.benedict at lp.org
> [11][15]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
> [9][12][16]http://lp.org/membership
> On 2/23/2018 1:56 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
> As I said, what's done is done. You should send the
> funds.
> That's
> just my opinion, of course, since I can't act for
this
> organization,
> but it's my opinion.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Wes Benedict
> [10]<[1][13][17]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Here's where we stand expense-wise on this if I
have my
> facts
> correct--and I have gotten facts wrong on this so
I
> want
> to be
> transparent and corrected if I'm wrong.
> So far, we have reimbursed Caryn Ann Harlos
$198.96 for
> SW
> Airlines
> under "Membership Fundraising Costs" and I think
that
> was
> for
> the
> Arizona state convention.
> Additionally, Caryn Ann submitted expenses for
> reimbursement
> for
> $439.73 to be paid for fundraising at the WA state
> convention.
> I submitted those expenses to the treasurer with a
> request for
> approval, received the approval, but we haven't
sent
> those
> funds to
> Caryn Ann yet. Approval attached, if attachments
are
> working
> today.
> Now I'm unsure what I should do about the $439.73.
> I'm pretty sure I should go ahead and have the
funds
> issued,
> because, this was all done in compliance with the
> policy
> manual and
> with the knowledge of the chair and treasurer.
> Is there any opposition to me issuing the funds to
> Caryn
> Ann
> for the
> $439.73?
> Today coincidentally we received the memberships
in the
> mail
> from
> WA: a total of 16 memberships for $690 total plus
a
> $25
> a
> month
> donor.
> Josh, what do you think? Do you think I should
issue
> the
> payment of
> $439.73 to Caryn Ann?
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> [2](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> [[11]3][14][18]wes.benedict at lp.org
> [4][15][19]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
> [5][12][16][20]http://lp.org/membership
> On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
> I agree with the ED on scenario 1. I lean
towards
> agreeing
> about
> Scenario 2.
> There should also be LNC training, at the
start of
> each
> term
> (or, at
> least, this is my suggestion to future LNCs)
about
> recognizing
> issues
> relating to duties of directors.
> [21]Joshua A. Katz
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Wes Benedict
> [13]<[1][6][17][22]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Scenario 1.
> If the LNC wants to encourage the chair to
> approve
> reimbursing
> Caryn
> Ann Harlos for expenses for travel outside
of her
> region
> for
> the
> purpose of recruiting dues-paying members,
then
> the
> LNC
> can
> pass a
> motion to that effect.
> ==========
> Unless that happens, I lean towards taking
> Joshua's
> advice of
> discontinuing the practice, given that no
one has
> spoken
> up in
> support, and that Caryn Ann has rescinded
her
> willingness.
> I think Caryn Ann probably recruited more
> dues-paying
> members
> to the
> national LP in the past 12 months than all
other
> LNC
> members
> combined.
> Aaron Starr started a program called "Give
or
> Get".
> It
> was
> quite
> successful, was in 2006 to 2008 and you can
read
> about
> in the
> LNC
> minutes here:
>
> [2][7][14][18][23]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
> I believe flights and hotel expenses were
covered
> for
> a
> few LNC
> members for the "Give or Get" program. I
point
> that
> out
> because
> there's a precedent for paying travel expenses
for
> LNC
> members to
> do
> fundraising.
> The LNC has routinely reimbursed the current
and
> former
> Chairs
> for
> travel expenses related to party business
including
> fundraisers,
> but
> excluding LNC meetings, and in accordance with
the
> Policy
> Manual.
> ==========
> Scenario 2.
> While typing this note a donor has offered to
help
> cover
> Caryn
> Ann's
> expenses for this purpose. If the donor is
willing
> to
> cover 100%
> of
> those expenses, and if the donor reimburses
Caryn
> Ann
> directly,
> and
> then the donor reports the reimbursements to
me as
> an
> in-kind
> contribution (probably with the assistance of
Caryn
> Ann),
> that
> would
> take control of the process out of my hands
and out
> of the
> LNC's
> hands.
> ==========
> I recommend the LNC vote regarding Scenario 1,
so
> you
> can
> make it
> more clear whether or not you approve having
LNC
> members
> have
> expenses reimbursed for raising funds, but
that's
> up
> to
> you all.
> As
> we ramp up our fundraising efforts, it will
help me
> to
> know if I
> should make staff the primary relationship
builders
> with
> our
> donors,
> or if I should keep the opportunity open for
board
> members
> as
> well.
> I also encourage feedback from individual LNC
> members
> regarding
> Scenario 2 even though technically I don't
think
> approval
> is
> required. I'd like that feedback because I'm
> willing
> to
> cooperate
> with Caryn Ann and the donor if there's not a
lot
> of
> opposition
> by
> the LNC. If there's a lot of opposition by the
LNC,
> I'll
> be less
> cooperative with Caryn Ann as she recruits
members
> and
> raises
> funds
> for the party.
> Thanks,
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> [3]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> [4][8](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> [5][[15]9][19][24]wes.benedict at lp.org
> [6][10][20][25]facebook.com/libertarians
@LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
> [7][11][16][21][26]http://lp.org/membership
> On 2/23/2018 12:01 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:
> Wes,
> Thank you for opening a discussion on this.
I do
> not
> believe
> it is
> proper to use party funds to send LNC
members to
> state
> conventions
> unless they are "lame ducks" (and, honestly,
> probably
> not then
> either). The facts provided are
enlightening and
> important,
> but
> the
> question here is about the principle, not
the
> people or
> the
> individual
> circumstances. The principle is that, as
you
> note
> in
> your
> email,
> this
> is a discretionary decision by staff. Staff
is
> determining,
> based,
> to
> be sure, on perfectly legitimate factors,
which
> LNC
> members are
> being
> sent and where. There is nothing compelling
> staff
> in
> the
> future to
> use
> the factors you identify here, and
different,
> less
> legitimate
> factors,
> could be used in the future. The way to
prevent
> that is
> "all
> or
> nothing." But "all" is impractical, and
also not
> a
> good
> idea.
> Other corporations handle this in a more
direct
> fashion
> - they
> pay
> directors. We don't do that (and I'm not
> suggesting
> it). In
> fact,
> we
> encourage directors to donate, and I highly
> appreciate
> that Ms.
> Harlos
> does so. I don't see how it changes this
> arrangement,
> though.
> We
> have
> rules against being an employee and a
director
> simultaneously -
> to
> the
> extent an LNC member benefits (in addition
to the
> party
> benefits)
> from
> such travel paid for by the party, the
> arrangement
> is
> somewhat
> akin
> to
> employing that director to provide a
service: in
> this
> case,
> membership
> recruitment. Maybe Ms. Harlos gets no
benefit at
> all
> from such
> travel,
> but will that be true for future LNC
members?
> The
> potentials
> for
> self-dealing are numerous. Directors play a
role
> in
> selecting
> and
> hiring staff - could directors hire and
retain
> staff who
> will
> provide
> travel for those specific directors, and in
turn,
> then
> enjoy an
> advantage in future LNC elections?
> I have every confidence that Ms. Harlos does
not
> campaign while
> at
> these conventions. If an LNC member attends
a
> convention and
> is
> highly
> visible (you can't recruit national members
if
> you
> sit
> in the
> back
> of
> the room quietly), benefits are still
gained,
> albeit
> incidentally
> and
> without that being the motive, in future
> elections.
> It's not a
> policy
> manual violation because they're no
campaigning,
> but the
> conflicts
> remain potentially large. By definition, it
is a
> benefit not
> available
> to other candidates - the reason it doesn't
> violate
> the
> policy
> manual
> is that it's not done in the role of
candidate.
> Be that as it may, we could still decide
that the
> benefits
> outweigh
> the
> dangers. That would be a reasonable
decision.
> However,
> I am
> of
> the
> opinion that before it began, it should have
been
> disclosed to
> the
> board and a vote taken of the disinterested
> directors.
> It
> could be
> pointed out that, potentially at least,
there
> would
> be
> no
> disinterested
> directors in such a decision (at least in
spirit)
> -
> that
> would
> be a
> reason not to do it.
> Your answer to why you aren't sending other
LNC
> members
> to
> state
> conventions is perfectly appropriate and
> rational.
> You
> should
> not
> send
> people to state conventions at party expense
who
> will
> not
> produce a
> positive return on investment (I, for
instance,
> probably
> wouldn't). Of
> course, other LNC members could,
conceivably,
> produce
> value in
> other
> ways. I have provided parliamentary
services for
> several state
> parties, sometimes with funding from the
state
> party,
> sometimes
> at
> my
> own expense. That's not something that
produces
> funds
> for the
> party,
> of course, but it does provide affiliate
support,
> something we
> also
> do. I most certainly should not do that on
party
> funds. What,
> precisely, is the difference? Well,
membership
> brings
> in money
> and, as
> you note, numbers have been falling. Does
that
> make it
> a
> priority
> over
> providing other services, or the many other
> things
> we
> could
> send
> LNC
> members to do? Well, maybe. The LNC did
not
> adopt
> any
> goals
> this
> term. Last term, the LNC adopted goals, and
> retaining/increasing
> membership wasn't one of them. I believe
you
> told
> us
> that you
> weren't
> focusing on membership numbers, as a
result. As
> has
> come up in
> prior
> discussions, I agree with not prioritizing
> membership
> numbers -
> I
> think
> that, over the long term (granted, not the
> immediate
> term) we
> need
> to
> focus on relying less on membership for
revenue
> and
> developing
> other
> streams. To your credit, staff (and
especially
> Lauren)
> has
> been
> developing other revenue streams, and doing
so
> very
> effectively.
> Membership does have the advantage of
predictable
> cash
> flow,
> admittedly. But I simply am not that
worried
> about
> falling
> membership
> numbers persay - if anything, I think of
> membership
> numbers as
> the
> tail, not the dog. That is, I think we can
> improve
> membership
> by
> doing
> things like electing candidates to public
office
> and
> having
> them
> implement libertarian policies. More
> importantly,
> this
> board
> doesn't
> seem to regard it as a priority. But that
is a
> somewhat
> different
> question.
> Or, to use another example, members of the
LNC
> travel to
> states
> where
> signatures are needed and gather hundreds of
> volunteer
> signatures.
> Granted, they don't desire to be paid for
their
> expenses
> in
> those
> cases, but if they did, I don't think staff
would
> agree
> to pay
> -
> and I
> think that would be the right call, most of
the
> time at
> least.
> That
> also doesn't put money in our pocket,
although it
> has
> the
> ultimate
> effect (if history is any guide) of keeping
money
> there
> that
> would
> otherwise leave.
> So, in summary, my position is that we
should not
> fund
> LNC
> member
> travel, even if the LNC member agrees not to
run
> for
> reelection.
> But I
> recognize that opinions can differ on that,
so my
> additional
> opinion is
> that the board is within its rights to
decide
> otherwise,
> but
> that
> potentially conflicted transactions
involving
> board
> members
> should
> be
> discussed with the board ahead of time, and
> approved by
> a
> majority
> of
> disinterested directors. What's done is
done. I
> think
> that
> before
> it
> continues, action should be taken to approve
it
> (or
> not)
> by a
> majority
> of disinterested directors. There's no rule
that
> can
> compel
> that
> outcome, it's just my opinion.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Wes
Benedict
> [17]<[1][8][12][22][27]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Dear LNC,
> Caryn Ann Harlos has recruited a lot
of
> dues-paying
> members
> by
> attending state conventions and
getting
> people to
> join
> or
> renew.
> At first, she did this at state
> conventions
> she
> was
> attending
> in her
> region at her own expense.
> Her results were so strong that I
asked
> her
> if
> she would
> be
> willing
> to go to some other states outside of
her
> region
> to do
> similar
> fundraising efforts if her travel
expenses
> were
> reimbursed.
> We have been struggling to keep
membership
> from
> falling.
> We
> send
> renewal emails and renewal letters
that
> perform
> reasonably
> well
> but
> pretty much exhaust that method.
Other
> methods we
> try
> have
> very
> low
> ROI. Caryn Ann's ROI has been
> comparatively
> strong.
> Caryn Ann attended the Washington
State
> convention last
> weekend
> and
> recruited 18 to 20 dues-paying
members for
> the
> national
> LP.
> That trip is one in which we have
> reimbursed
> her
> for her
> travel.
> I'd like to send Caryn Ann to more
state
> conventions to
> have
> her do
> this work. No one else has done this
as
> successfully as
> Caryn
> Ann.
> Caryn Ann is a volunteer so we don't
pay
> her
> for
> her
> time.
> For conventions that Caryn Ann is
unable
> to
> take
> the
> time to
> attend,
> I will be sending our staff member
Jess
> Mears.
> The thing
> with
> Jess
> is that we pay her for her hours to
> travel,
> attend, and
> return
> from
> state conventions. She's unlikely to
get
> as
> high
> of a
> ROI.
> I received a complaint today that it
is
> inappropriate
> for
> someone
> running for a position on the LNC to
have
> travel
> reimbursed.
> I sympathize with the complaint, but
do
> not
> think
> it's a
> violation
> of our policies.
> Nevertheless, I bring this up to the
LNC
> for
> your
> feedback.
> If
> you
> request a stop to sending Caryn Ann
Harlos
> or any
> other
> LNC
> member
> to state conventions for the purpose
of
> recruiting
> dues-paying
> members, we can end the program.
> A reasonable question might be, "I'm
> willing
> to
> go to
> state
> convention at the expense of the LNC
and
> recruit
> members--why
> don't
> you send me?" The answer is that
Caryn Ann
> proved
> her
> willingness
> and capability within her own region.
No
> other
> LNC
> members
> have
> mailed us several envelopes of
dues-paying
> members from
> their
> states. Caryn Ann and Jess Mears
together
> are not
> able
> to
> attend
> every state convention. If you are
> interested in
> helping,
> and
> willing to prove your ability first
at a
> state in
> your
> region
> or at
> another state at your own expense,
let me
> know
> and we
> might
> be
> able
> [9]to try that. And then we can
report
> the
> results.
> Below is a report from Robert Kraus
with
> some
> of the
> fundraising
> results from Caryn Ann.
> I welcome your feedback.
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> [2][10][13](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> [1][3][11][[18]14][23][28]wes.benedict at lp.org
>
[2][4][12][15][24][29]facebook.com/libertarians
> @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
>
[3][5][13][16][19][25][30]http://lp.org/membership
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Harlos Fundraising
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:27:47
-0500
> From: Robert S. Kraus
> [4][20]<[6][14][17][26][31]robert.kraus at lp.org>
> To: Wes Benedict
> [5]<[7][15][[21]18][27][32]wes.benedict at lp.org
> >
> I have Harlos pegged as solicitor for a
total
> of
> $2,335.00
> for
> 82
> members 49 of which where new (these 82
folks
> have
> also
> contributed
> a
> net total excluding conv related gifts
of
> $6,261.74
> since
> 2016
> convention - bunch of them to Hist
> Preservation
> of
> course
> so
> she has
> her
> fans)
> In addition she is likely 95%
responsible for
> the
> $12,120
> raised for
> Historic Preservation
> Finally she has given $2181 herself
since the
> 2016
> convention
> (non
> convention related - however $1525 was
for
> Hist
> Preservation)
> --
> Robert S. Kraus - Operations Director
> [[22]6]Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke Street
> Alexandria, VA 22314
> Ph: [8]202.333.0008 x 231
> References
> 1.
> mailto:[9][16][[23]19][28][33]wes.benedict at lp.org
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> 4.
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