[Lnc-business] A hypothetical question
Joshua Katz
planning4liberty at gmail.com
Mon Feb 26 15:47:53 EST 2018
I don't see anything in the bylaws saying a person could not be both, which
leads me to conclude that it is permitted. However, the fundamental rule
applicable is that of "one person, one vote," not "one position, one
vote." Hence, such a person could not vote twice. So, on an email ballot,
supposing they cast a vote (say, "aye,") it will be counted only once.
Should the rep for whom they are an alternate vote, that's clear anyway.
Should that rep not vote, the point is that their vote cannot count for
both the region they represent and the region they alternate for. I don't
see that it matters, mathematically, which one they count for - the real
variable is whether the rep votes, which is not under the control of this
rep/alternate.
As for "what are they," well, clearly (unlike an alternate) this person is
an LNC member, with all that entails. For example, they could not assert
their alternate status and serve in a position not otherwise open to an LNC
member.
Regarding officers, I think the same thing applies. I have no idea if the
bylaws intend that outcome or not, but I don't see any ambiguity in which
to resort to intent.
Joshua A. Katz
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hypothetical question:
>
> Do our Bylaws allow or even contemplate that one person could be a
> regional rep for one state and an alternate for another? And what are
> they? Both? The “superior” position?
>
> If so, how would that work in an email vote?
>
> There are multiple practical issues.
>
> Yes I am asking because a similar issue has come up on platcomm and
> will be the subject of a future meeting and many minds and opinions can
> lead to insights. How the LNC would hypothetically handle would be a
> helpful piece of information. The parallels are not exact but would
> give insight.
>
> Also - if assuming the answer to paragraph one is yes - theoretically
> could an at-large or regional also be an officer? Is that something
> our Bylaws intended to allow?
>
> Any and all insight appreciated.
>
> I would be more than happy to detail what issues of fundamental
> inequity present themselves when dealing with email voting in my first
> hypothetical.
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 2. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
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I don't see anything in the bylaws saying a person could not be both,
which leads me to conclude that it is permitted. However, the
fundamental rule applicable is that of "one person, one vote," not "one
position, one vote." Hence, such a person could not vote twice. So,
on an email ballot, supposing they cast a vote (say, "aye,") it will be
counted only once. Should the rep for whom they are an alternate vote,
that's clear anyway. Should that rep not vote, the point is that their
vote cannot count for both the region they represent and the region
they alternate for. I don't see that it matters, mathematically, which
one they count for - the real variable is whether the rep votes, which
is not under the control of this rep/alternate.
As for "what are they," well, clearly (unlike an alternate) this person
is an LNC member, with all that entails. For example, they could not
assert their alternate status and serve in a position not otherwise
open to an LNC member.
Regarding officers, I think the same thing applies. I have no idea if
the bylaws intend that outcome or not, but I don't see any ambiguity in
which to resort to intent.
Joshua A. Katz
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
Hypothetical question:
Do our Bylaws allow or even contemplate that one person could be
a
regional rep for one state and an alternate for another? And
what are
they? Both? The “superior” position?
If so, how would that work in an email vote?
There are multiple practical issues.
Yes I am asking because a similar issue has come up on platcomm
and
will be the subject of a future meeting and many minds and
opinions can
lead to insights. How the LNC would hypothetically handle would
be a
helpful piece of information. The parallels are not exact but
would
give insight.
Also - if assuming the answer to paragraph one is yes -
theoretically
could an at-large or regional also be an officer? Is that
something
our Bylaws intended to allow?
Any and all insight appreciated.
I would be more than happy to detail what issues of fundamental
inequity present themselves when dealing with email voting in my
first
hypothetical.
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
2. [3]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
3. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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