[Lnc-business] A hypothetical question

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Mon Feb 26 16:37:22 EST 2018


I was clear exactly why I asked Alicia.


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:51 PM Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

>    Ms. Mattson's response makes clearer to me why it matters how the vote
>    is counted.  Given that, I would conclude that the system the LNC used
>    is correct, and the member should specify in which capacity they are
>    voting.
>
>    Joshua A. Katz
>    On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Joshua Katz
>    <[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>    I don't see anything in the bylaws saying a person could not be both,
>    which leads me to conclude that it is permitted.  However, the
>    fundamental rule applicable is that of "one person, one vote," not "one
>    position, one vote."  Hence, such a person could not vote twice.  So,
>    on an email ballot, supposing they cast a vote (say, "aye,") it will be
>    counted only once.  Should the rep for whom they are an alternate vote,
>    that's clear anyway.  Should that rep not vote, the point is that their
>    vote cannot count for both the region they represent and the region
>    they alternate for.  I don't see that it matters, mathematically, which
>    one they count for - the real variable is whether the rep votes, which
>    is not under the control of this rep/alternate.
>    As for "what are they," well, clearly (unlike an alternate) this person
>    is an LNC member, with all that entails.  For example, they could not
>    assert their alternate status and serve in a position not otherwise
>    open to an LNC member.
>    Regarding officers, I think the same thing applies.  I have no idea if
>    the bylaws intend that outcome or not, but I don't see any ambiguity in
>    which to resort to intent.
>
>    Joshua A. Katz
>    On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>    <[2]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Hypothetical question:
>         Do our Bylaws allow or even contemplate that one person could be
>      a
>         regional rep for one state and an alternate for another?  And
>      what are
>         they?  Both?  The “superior” position?
>         If so, how would that work in an email vote?
>         There are multiple practical issues.
>         Yes I am asking because a similar issue has come up on platcomm
>      and
>         will be the subject of a future meeting and many minds and
>      opinions can
>         lead to insights.  How the LNC would hypothetically handle would
>      be a
>         helpful piece of information.  The parallels are not exact but
>      would
>         give insight.
>         Also - if assuming the answer to paragraph one is yes -
>      theoretically
>         could an at-large or regional also be an officer?  Is that
>      something
>         our Bylaws intended to allow?
>         Any and all insight appreciated.
>         I would be more than happy to detail what issues of fundamental
>         inequity present themselves when dealing with email voting in my
>      first
>         hypothetical.
>         --
>         In Liberty,
>         Caryn Ann Harlos
>         Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>         Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>      Washington)
>         - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>         Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>         Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>         A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>         We defend your rights
>         And oppose the use of force
>         Taxation is theft
>      References
>         1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>         2. [4]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
>    2. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    4. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
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   I was clear exactly why I asked Alicia.

   On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:51 PM Joshua Katz
   <[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:

        Ms. Mattson's response makes clearer to me why it matters how the
     vote
        is counted.  Given that, I would conclude that the system the LNC
     used
        is correct, and the member should specify in which capacity they
     are
        voting.
        Joshua A. Katz
        On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Joshua Katz
        <[1][2]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
        I don't see anything in the bylaws saying a person could not be
     both,
        which leads me to conclude that it is permitted.  However, the
        fundamental rule applicable is that of "one person, one vote,"
     not "one
        position, one vote."  Hence, such a person could not vote twice.
     So,
        on an email ballot, supposing they cast a vote (say, "aye,") it
     will be
        counted only once.  Should the rep for whom they are an alternate
     vote,
        that's clear anyway.  Should that rep not vote, the point is that
     their
        vote cannot count for both the region they represent and the
     region
        they alternate for.  I don't see that it matters, mathematically,
     which
        one they count for - the real variable is whether the rep votes,
     which
        is not under the control of this rep/alternate.
        As for "what are they," well, clearly (unlike an alternate) this
     person
        is an LNC member, with all that entails.  For example, they could
     not
        assert their alternate status and serve in a position not
     otherwise
        open to an LNC member.
        Regarding officers, I think the same thing applies.  I have no
     idea if
        the bylaws intend that outcome or not, but I don't see any
     ambiguity in
        which to resort to intent.
        Joshua A. Katz
        On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
        <[2][3]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
             Hypothetical question:
             Do our Bylaws allow or even contemplate that one person
     could be
          a
             regional rep for one state and an alternate for another?
     And
          what are
             they?  Both?  The “superior” position?
             If so, how would that work in an email vote?
             There are multiple practical issues.
             Yes I am asking because a similar issue has come up on
     platcomm
          and
             will be the subject of a future meeting and many minds and
          opinions can
             lead to insights.  How the LNC would hypothetically handle
     would
          be a
             helpful piece of information.  The parallels are not exact
     but
          would
             give insight.
             Also - if assuming the answer to paragraph one is yes -
          theoretically
             could an at-large or regional also be an officer?  Is that
          something
             our Bylaws intended to allow?
             Any and all insight appreciated.
             I would be more than happy to detail what issues of
     fundamental
             inequity present themselves when dealing with email voting
     in my
          first
             hypothetical.
             --
             In Liberty,
             Caryn Ann Harlos
             Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
     (Alaska,
             Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
          Washington)
             - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
             Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
             Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
             A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
             We defend your rights
             And oppose the use of force
             Taxation is theft
          References
             1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
             2. [4][4]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
     References
        1. mailto:[5]planning4liberty at gmail.com
        2. mailto:[6]carynannharlos at gmail.com
        3. mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        4. [8]http://www.lpcolorado.org/

References

   1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
   2. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
   3. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
   4. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
   5. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
   6. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
   7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   8. http://www.lpcolorado.org/


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