[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 01:56:11 EST 2018
I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t see a line
forming after the last offer by Wes.
And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to point it out. I
don’t appreciate its existence.
I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission to wear my Party
issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized that the internal senseless
politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is indistinguishable from a
parody of itself and it could go either way.
I will be. Lodge objections now.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:
> Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for membership. I
> have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership pitch" or
> standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using terms like, "insanely
> territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you the same
> things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a national LP
> officer position. We currently have three people running for chair, and
> six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know of who are
> running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this rate, more people
> may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to be given the same
> materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state conventions.
>
> Are those people going to be given the exact same supplies as you? If
> the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get those to give
> to people while they campaign? What if they're signing-up national
> members? As it's easier to influence people when they're being given
> something.
>
> You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much when they get
> something in their hands on the spot." That goes for campaigning too.
>
> I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to LPHQ when signing
> up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that. People I know just
> sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping track or recording
> the numbers, as it's not a competition.
>
> Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with blitz-sign-ups
> at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that they're leaving
> the LP. Some even shared with me information on new political party
> they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all just left the LP
> this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I mention this issue,
> I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I expect no
> different this time.
>
> If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC meeting, then I look
> forward to the discussion.
>
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
>
> On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
> > All of us should be doing this and that opportunity is equally
> > available to all.
> > To say that successful recruiters who happen to be running cannot
> > use
> > the standard membership pitch to me is where we get insanely
> > territorial and self-destructive.
> > People sign up twice as much when they get something in their hands
> > on
> > the spot.
> > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be hobbled by not even
> > having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t interested in signing
> > up
> > members because we are too concerned over our internicence
> > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not setting myself up
> > for
> > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick ass. If I’m
> > not
> > equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy elsewhere and
> > will
> > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not get the 20 at the
> > CO
> > convention which is my goal.
> > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
> > If not please consider this my request for agenda time in April to
> > settle this.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> > <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do membership recruiting.
> > My concern would be if you're personal campaigning and also using
> > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things to give to
> > prospective
> > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past communication on
> > this
> > subject.) I'm not sure what membership supplies you'd need, as
> > signing
> > up members can just be done with a laptop on the spot. No need for
> > supplies. So, if you're not giving people gifts or freebie stuff,
> > while
> > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > [2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly every weekend,
> > some of
> > > them I am an invited guest speaker and other are campaign
> > trips.
> > > Is there any objection to my continuing my membership
> > recruitment
> > > during these trips (no cost to the Party other than the
> > membership
> > > supplies).
> > > --
> > > --
> > > In Liberty,
> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > (Alaska,
> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > > Washington)
> > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > > We defend your rights
> > > And oppose the use of force
> > > Taxation is theft
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > > 2. [4]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 3. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 4. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t see a line
forming after the last offer by Wes.
And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to point it out.
I don’t appreciate its existence.
I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed permission to wear my
Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized that the internal
senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it is
indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could go either way.
I will be. Lodge objections now.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up for membership.
I
have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership pitch" or
standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using terms like,
"insanely
territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to you the same
things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for a national LP
officer position. We currently have three people running for chair,
and
six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I know of who are
running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this rate, more
people
may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to be given the
same
materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state conventions.
Are those people going to be given the exact same supplies as you?
If
the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all get those to
give
to people while they campaign? What if they're signing-up national
members? As it's easier to influence people when they're being
given
something.
You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much when they get
something in their hands on the spot." That goes for campaigning
too.
I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to LPHQ when
signing
up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that. People I know
just
sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping track or
recording
the numbers, as it's not a competition.
Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen with
blitz-sign-ups
at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that they're
leaving
the LP. Some even shared with me information on new political party
they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who all just left
the LP
this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I mention this
issue,
I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I expect no
different this time.
If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC meeting, then I
look
forward to the discussion.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Members are entitled to a free shirt.
> All of us should be doing this and that opportunity is equally
> available to all.
> To say that successful recruiters who happen to be running
cannot
> use
> the standard membership pitch to me is where we get insanely
> territorial and self-destructive.
> People sign up twice as much when they get something in their
hands
> on
> the spot.
> I will get 100 more members. If I have to be hobbled by not
even
> having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t interested in
signing
> up
> members because we are too concerned over our internicence
> calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not setting myself
up
> for
> failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to kick ass. If
I’m
> not
> equipped for success then I’m going to put my energy elsewhere
and
> will
> deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will not get the 20
at the
> CO
> convention which is my goal.
> I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
> If not please consider this my request for agenda time in April
to
> settle this.
> -Caryn Ann
> -Caryn Ann
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[1][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do membership
recruiting.
> My concern would be if you're personal campaigning and also
using
> membership supplies that are gifts/freebie things to give to
> prospective
> recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past communication
on
> this
> subject.) I'm not sure what membership supplies you'd need,
as
> signing
> up members can just be done with a laptop on the spot. No
need for
> supplies. So, if you're not giving people gifts or freebie
stuff,
> while
> signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> [2][4]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > Beginning April I will be at a convention nearly every
weekend,
> some of
> > them I am an invited guest speaker and other are
campaign
> trips.
> > Is there any objection to my continuing my membership
> recruitment
> > during these trips (no cost to the Party other than the
> membership
> > supplies).
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
> > Washington)
> > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian Party of
Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 2. [4][5]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[6]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 2. [7]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 4. [9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 6. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
4. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
5. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
6. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
7. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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