[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 17:27:04 EST 2018
David and I were given a rather dismissive answer by other member(s) when
we were new and asked for help. LNC training materials is greatly needed.
But back to my OP for my conclusory remark.
I made my disclosure. Until Wes or Nick withdraw the offer, or this LNC
makes a motion to disallow, I will continue as I planned. My next
convention is in 16 days so if a motion is forthcoming please start it so
it can be over be then if possible.
If there is no motion, then perhaps this was not an issue and the LNC has
better things to do. Like recruiting members.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> wrote:
> Thank you Wes,
>
> I agree that a new member orientation/information packet would best be
> created by the LNC. Two reasons: 1) You're already tasked with numerous
> items. 2) Current/experienced LNC members would better know what they have
> available to them.
>
> The success of an orientation/information packet would depend upon more
> experienced LNC members sharing their information, tools, and knowledge.
> Hopefully, all are willing to do so. Perhaps, this exchange will even
> prompt some to offer to help create such a knowledge base for new and
> current LNC members. I'd like to think that everyone on the LNC, would
> want all the other members to have the same information, tools, and
> knowledge for website communication, recruiting members and soliciting
> donations, etc.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2018-03-09 16:00, Wes Benedict wrote:
>
>> The region 7 link worked for me. Still does. I don't know why you got
>> the 404 error for it.
>>
>> If the new region 8 reps would like the region 8 page to be updated,
>> I'll update it. Or, if they're prefer separate pages for each
>> individual, I'd be happy to do that as well.
>>
>> Regarding the new LNC member orientation, I'm thinking the LNC should
>> produce that rather than me.
>>
>> However, if the LNC (as a board) or the chair directs me to create it,
>> I'll create it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>
>> On 3/9/2018 3:50 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>
>>> Wes, no one is asking you to recall conversations from four years ago.
>>> Nor, is asking me to review all the email archives for the past fours,
>>> appropriate to glean the information.
>>>
>>> What I'm asking, and this isn't unreasonable, is that there be a
>>> standard information dump for new LNC members. This would include who to
>>> contact for getting their information onto the website. I had to do that
>>> through trial and error, as the Region 3 Rep information wasn't updated in
>>> a timely fashion. I also had to contact people to correct an error on the
>>> LP website, and no one knew how the error occurred. Instead of a situation
>>> where a new LNC member fishes around trying to find the contact person for
>>> the LP website, it should be part of the new LNC member information packet.
>>>
>>> Likewise, all this information today, could/should be given to the new
>>> LNC members when they're added to this email list. A simple email to them,
>>> with the available information for T-shirts for membership drives, personal
>>> LP donation links, etc. Everything that's a tool or that aids them in
>>> their unpaid job.
>>>
>>> Oh, FYI regarding the donation links you listed: The donation link for
>>> Region 8 is out of date, it still has Patrick McKnight and Larry Sharpe on
>>> it. The Region 7 link has error 404/
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-03-09 15:28, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elizabeth, you wrote: "why hasn't this been shared with the rest of the
>>>> LNC?"
>>>>
>>>> There are many personalized links. Some below.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-sg/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-r6/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-r8/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-r7/
>>>>
>>>> I'm not going to be able to recall all the things I've told other LNC
>>>> members over the past 4 years that I have not yet shared with you
>>>> personally.
>>>>
>>>> If I wrote notes to the LNC today disclosing everything I've shared
>>>> with the LNC before, it would drive everyone crazy.
>>>>
>>>> You can get an overview by reviewing all emails from 2012-2018 here:
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/
>>>>
>>>> And reading LNC meeting minutes: https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting
>>>> -archives/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 3/9/2018 3:19 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two questions for Daniel and Cayn Ann:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a
>>>>> link that looks like *you personally* are responsible?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Likewise, are *you* more likely to ask people to donate, if you're
>>>>> able to give them a link that has your picture, name, and information?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the answers are yes, to either 1 & 2, then why hasn't this been
>>>>> shared with the rest of the LNC? (If it was share to the LNC prior to me
>>>>> joining, then why hasn't anyone updated new members?)
>>>>>
>>>>> (I wasn't even told when my picture was put into the LP website, it
>>>>> just appeared. Whoever did it, took the picture off my FB profile, and did
>>>>> so without asking or telling me.)
>>>>>
>>>>> For this body to function well, it would behoove us to ensure that the
>>>>> tools, which some have been given access to, are available, and equally
>>>>> important, are *known* by all LNC members. This would include who the
>>>>> contacts for getting things done, who to talk to for materials, LP website
>>>>> info, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-03-09 15:03, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel, I'm just now learning about all sorts of things. Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, I never heard from Wes before that he'd "quite some time
>>>>>> ago I decided to provide a small supply of shirts to Caryn Ann to use
>>>>>> when promoting memberships."
>>>>>> This is also the first time I've seen him offer that same to other LNC
>>>>>> members. I certainly never knew about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for a personal LP donation page link, this is the first time I knew
>>>>>> such a thing existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an example of the lack of transparency that some like to talk
>>>>>> about. Why were these things not brought to the attention of all the
>>>>>> LNC before this point? Granted, I've only been on this body for about
>>>>>> 2.5 months, but you'd think someone would have mentioned these things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've noted a while back that there seems to be certain things offered
>>>>>> to some people, and not others. Why is that? Perhaps the
>>>>>> relationships developed. But, if this body is going to all be working
>>>>>> to grow the LP, and you said that you want the LP to be successful,
>>>>>> then you'd think that EVERYONE on the LNC would have been told about
>>>>>> these donation and membership arrangements that aid them. Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still can't fathom why someone would want to take personal credit
>>>>>> for doing what we all should be doing. Is these a reason why anyone
>>>>>> would have a personal donation page link to the LP, and not just send
>>>>>> them to the main donation page? (This is a serious question, btw.
>>>>>> Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a link
>>>>>> that looks like *you personally* are responsible?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-03-09 14:43, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that Wes has said that he will make this available to any LNC
>>>>>>> member willing to promote National Membership during state
>>>>>>> conventions. That makes this opportunity available to all LNC
>>>>>>> members. I think that satisfies the policy manual. Instead of saying
>>>>>>> “You can’t do that” maybe “I will do that too!” might be better. LNC
>>>>>>> members should be trying to outdo each other with memberships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think every LNC member should have one of these.
>>>>>>> www.LP.org/Daniel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To my knowledge only Caryn Ann and I have these, because we are the
>>>>>>> only ones that asked. I use it at times and other times I use the
>>>>>>> regular link or the current promo link or the ASC link or various
>>>>>>> convention links or the State CRM link. I am interested in this
>>>>>>> organization succeeding. Maybe you did or maybe y’all didn’t notice
>>>>>>> that Louisiana National Memberships went up by close to 90% last
>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>> Wonder how that happened....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could never have another day on the LNC and I still have more on my
>>>>>>> plate to do to help this Party succeed than any 3 people could. If
>>>>>>> you are not in something of a similar situation, you ain’t trying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let’s encourage each other to do more, not less.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You too Daniel?
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:16 PM Daniel Hayes <[1]
>>>>>>>> Daniel.Hayes at lp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How bout some Music. This thread has the end of this song by
>>>>>>>> Rush
>>>>>>>> running through my head.
>>>>>>>> [1][2]https://g.co/kgs/6thRik
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>> <[2][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann, it's not petty to take note of when an individual
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> afforded an advantage to their internal campaign for national
>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>> position. Nor, to note that the advantage is being given by
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> arrangement with the LPHQ.
>>>>>>>> No one is stopping you from recruiting members.
>>>>>>>> It's simple. While you're campaigning for an internal
>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>> position, you just shouldn't be giving away LP gifts to
>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>> (I'm still puzzled about why you'd have been tracking the
>>>>>>>> recruitment
>>>>>>>> numbers, sending envelopes to LPHQ, etc. Why were you even
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> method? To have a tracking system, so Wes could cite your
>>>>>>>> numbers? The
>>>>>>>> more I hear, the more baffling it becomes.)
>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>> On 2018-03-09 13:54, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>> Elizabeth because it is. It’s super petty. I am not
>>>>>>>> claiming
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> wouldn’t be said to someone else. It would be petty
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>> And it
>>>>>>>> far pre-dates you or me.
>>>>>>>> And recruiting members is all of our jobs. I am not
>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do my
>>>>>>>> job - gotcha.
>>>>>>>> I couldn’t make this stuff up.
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>> <[1][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What's with the personal smears? You wrote: "it isn't
>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> petty internal jealousies and power struggles."
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann, I would be writing the exact same thing for
>>>>>>>> ANYONE
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> doing internal campaigning and while simultaneously
>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>> free-LP-gifts.
>>>>>>>> Are you able to step outside yourself, and look at it
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>>> of how it gives an uneven advantage to your internal
>>>>>>>> campaigning?
>>>>>>>> Because, it does. Whether you'll acknowledge that
>>>>>>>> remains
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> seen.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-03-09 13:37, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes Wes your memory is correct.
>>>>>>>>> And people who are personally approached and given
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> entitled to not only saves us shipping but I find
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> tend
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> throw in an extra $25. And some turn into recruiters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>> grab their friends and bring them over.
>>>>>>>>> I really have a lot better things to do but I am
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> spending
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> because this is precisely one of our problems. The
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Policy
>>>>>>>> Manual
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>> talking about membership drives. it isn't talking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> petty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> internal
>>>>>>>>> jealousies and power struggles. If so, let's forbid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>> from running because they cannot effectively do their
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>>>> that their efforts might get them some credit, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> matters, not you know, growing the Party. I say, hey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LP.
>>>>>>>> Equip me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with what you would do anyway to get members passively
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> actively bring you 100 members. If I promise to do it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> bag
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> my head and a voice modulator so that there is no risk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would ever be tempted to think well of me, would that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> help?
>>>>>>>> Peak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Poe's
>>>>>>>>> Law Achieved.
>>>>>>>>> Or in a more homey fashion. I couldn't think of a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> more apt
>>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> LNC micromanagement and cutting our nose off to spite
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> face. We
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> have freedom to win out there and instead we play
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> internal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> whack-a-mole
>>>>>>>>> with anyone that might be sticking their head up a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> high. The only thing that would make it more
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> perfectly LP
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cite
>>>>>>>>> footnote 5(a)(c)(d) of RONR. Because that's how we
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> roll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do those promos precisely to sign people up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’ve got the CO convention in two weeks - what say the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LNC?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or do I inform that Board ixnay on the member signups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also OH and NH?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> <[1][2][4][5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two states invited me to speak AND do member drives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do I now tell them no lest I be the temptress of the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shirts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This have gone to a ridiculous level. Hobbling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> volunteers
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> proven track record is not a good look for the Party.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can’t
>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>> do well, lord forbid. Better to have the Party get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>> members and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> have to pay to ship them. Yeah, that’s wise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. That’s insanely disfunctional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is what we should be encouraging.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead (and this goes back to way before this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> conversation)
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> petty arguments about who might be noticed. Because
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lord
>>>>>>>> forbid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> someone might be mentioned on FB for getting things
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So tell Ohio and NH that the crown has forbidden me to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bear
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tshirts
>>>>>>>>> of glory?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. It’s petty nonsense. It’s been going on a long
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> is an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>> cultural issue and it needs to die in a fire. We need
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> empowering
>>>>>>>>> Party growth wherever and by whoever wants to do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good
>>>>>>>> lord
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> ludicrous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:42 AM Wes Benedict
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <[2][3][5][6]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> membership promotions for a long time.
>>>>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>>>> [3][4][6][7]https://www.lp.org/join11/
>>>>>>>>> [4][5][7][8]https://www.lp.org/join10/
>>>>>>>>> [5][6][8][9]https://www.lp.org/join9/
>>>>>>>>> If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> recruiting
>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> state conventions without offering anything in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> return. As
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> joined."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we'll
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shirt
>>>>>>>> (polos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> excluded
>>>>>>>>> because they are higher cost").
>>>>>>>>> As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>>> for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> supply
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> memberships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If any other LNC members want to help recruit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> memberships,
>>>>>>>> let me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>> and I'll send you a small supply of these two
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shirts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [6][7][9][10]https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [7][8][10][11]https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These shirts are to be used for membership
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> recruitment
>>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> don't use should be returned to me in the future.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> [8]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>>>>>>> [9](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [10][9][11][12]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [11][10][12][13]facebook.com/libertarians
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @LPNational
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [12][11][13][14]http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> There is no service. Conversely in fact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (and btw though not applicable it is an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> either/or
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> statement)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Horn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <[1][13][12][14][15]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>>>> Policy Manual page 46:
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>>> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Office
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Party resources shall not be used to provide
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> services
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> any candidate for party
>>>>>>>>>> office unless:
>>>>>>>>>> • such information or services are available
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> announced
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on an
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> equal
>>>>>>>>>> basis to all
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians who have declared they are
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> seeking
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> office,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> • such information or services are generally
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> available and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> announced
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> all party
>>>>>>>>>> members."
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>> The above language isn't "either/or", which
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> indicate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only one
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I say let’s get everyone who wants to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> recruiting.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> don’t
>>>>>>>>> see a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> forming after the last offer by Wes.
>>>>>>>>>>> And we are insanely territorial. And I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don’t appreciate its existence.
>>>>>>>>>>> I almost as a joke was going to ask if
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> permission to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wear
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> Party issued name badge. Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stopped and
>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> internal
>>>>>>>>>>> senseless politicking has reached Peak
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Poe’s
>>>>>>>> Law
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> indistinguishable from a parody of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>> I will be. Lodge objections now.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>>> Van
>>>>>>>> Horn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][2][14][13][15][16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann, people can go to the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> sign-up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have no idea what you mean by "the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> membership pitch"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> standard supplies. Nor, do I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> terms
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "insanely
>>>>>>>>>>> territorial and self-destructive",
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> you the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> things I'd say to anyone who is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> running a
>>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>> officer position. We currently have
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> three
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> running for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chair,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> six or seven running for Vice-Chair,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> know of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> running (maybe declared) for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> secretary.
>>>>>>>> Gosh,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this rate,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> may jump into the fray. Are all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> materials? Some are making trips to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> state
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> conventions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are those people going to be given
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> exact
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> supplies as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> the supplies are T-shirts and gifts,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> those to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> to people while they campaign? What
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> signing-up
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>>>> members? As it's easier to influence
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>> You yourself wrote: "People sign up
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> twice as
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> something in their hands on the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> spot."
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> campaigning
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still not understanding why you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>> envelopes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> LPHQ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> signing
>>>>>>>>>>> up members. I've never heard of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> sign-up someone, and that's that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We're
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> keeping
>>>>>>>>> track or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>>>> the numbers, as it's not a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> competition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Turning the tide on membership isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blitz-sign-ups
>>>>>>>>>>> at conventions. Daily I'm seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> leaving
>>>>>>>>>>> the LP. Some even shared with me
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> party
>>>>>>>>>>> they're attempting to start. (Former
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>> members who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the LP
>>>>>>>>>>> this past year) The issue is a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> systemic
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>> When I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mention
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> issue,
>>>>>>>>>>> I get the usual reaction from the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> usual
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>> I expect
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> different this time.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you wish to take up this issue at
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> April
>>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meeting,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Madison Co,
>>>>>>>> Indiana
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [2][3][15][14][16][17]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Members are entitled to a free
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> shirt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All of us should be doing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> opportunity is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> equally
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> available to all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> To say that successful
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> recruiters who
>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> the standard membership pitch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> insanely
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> territorial and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> self-destructive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People sign up twice as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> something in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get 100 more members. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hobbled by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> having the standard supplies,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> well -
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> aren’t
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> interested in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> signing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> members because we are too
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> internicence
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> calculations. And if that’s the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> I’m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> failure. If I’m going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> recruit,
>>>>>>>> I’m
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> kick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ass. If
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> equipped for success then I’m
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> put my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> energy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver to Wes in April the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> remainder
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the 20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CO
>>>>>>>>>>>> convention which is my goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like the rest of the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> weigh
>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If not please consider this my
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> agenda time
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> April
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> settle this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>>> Van
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Horn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][3][4][16][15][17][18]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann, I think it's great
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> membership
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> recruiting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My concern would be if you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> personal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> campaigning and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> membership supplies that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> gifts/freebie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> things to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> prospective
>>>>>>>>>>>> recruits. (You'd mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> T-shirts,
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> subject.) I'm not sure what
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> membership
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> supplies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> need,
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> signing
>>>>>>>>>>>> up members can just be done
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>> laptop on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the spot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> need for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> supplies. So, if you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gifts or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> freebie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>> signing-up/campaigning, then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Madison
>>>>>>>> Co,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Indiana
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Review
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pragmatist
>>>>>>>> Caucus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [2][4][5][17][16][18][19]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beginning April I will be at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> convention
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nearly
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> weekend,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them I am an invited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> guest
>>>>>>>> speaker
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> other are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> trips.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any objection to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> continuing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> membership
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> recruitment
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> during these trips (no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> cost to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> membership
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplies).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawaii,
>>>>>>>> Kansas,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Montana, Utah,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - [1]Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [19]Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]Libertarian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Party of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Preservation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Principles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> force
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[3][20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [4][5][6][18][17][21][20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kansas,
>>>>>>>> Montana,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Utah,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>>>>>>>> - [5]Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [22]Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [6]Libertarian
>>>>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Preservation
>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Principles:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
-------------- next part --------------
David and I were given a rather dismissive answer by other member(s)
when we were new and asked for help. LNC training materials is greatly
needed.
But back to my OP for my conclusory remark.
I made my disclosure. Until Wes or Nick withdraw the offer, or this
LNC makes a motion to disallow, I will continue as I planned. My next
convention is in 16 days so if a motion is forthcoming please start it
so it can be over be then if possible.
If there is no motion, then perhaps this was not an issue and the LNC
has better things to do. Like recruiting members.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
Thank you Wes,
I agree that a new member orientation/information packet would best
be created by the LNC. Two reasons: 1) You're already tasked with
numerous items. 2) Current/experienced LNC members would better know
what they have available to them.
The success of an orientation/information packet would depend upon
more experienced LNC members sharing their information, tools, and
knowledge. Hopefully, all are willing to do so. Perhaps, this
exchange will even prompt some to offer to help create such a
knowledge base for new and current LNC members. I'd like to think
that everyone on the LNC, would want all the other members to have
the same information, tools, and knowledge for website
communication, recruiting members and soliciting donations, etc.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-09 16:00, Wes Benedict wrote:
The region 7 link worked for me. Still does. I don't know why you
got
the 404 error for it.
If the new region 8 reps would like the region 8 page to be updated,
I'll update it. Or, if they're prefer separate pages for each
individual, I'd be happy to do that as well.
Regarding the new LNC member orientation, I'm thinking the LNC
should
produce that rather than me.
However, if the LNC (as a board) or the chair directs me to create
it,
I'll create it.
Thanks,
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
[2](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [3]wes.benedict at lp.org
[4]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: [5]http://lp.org/membership
On 3/9/2018 3:50 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
Wes, no one is asking you to recall conversations from four years
ago. Nor, is asking me to review all the email archives for the
past fours, appropriate to glean the information.
What I'm asking, and this isn't unreasonable, is that there be a
standard information dump for new LNC members. This would include
who to contact for getting their information onto the website. I
had to do that through trial and error, as the Region 3 Rep
information wasn't updated in a timely fashion. I also had to
contact people to correct an error on the LP website, and no one
knew how the error occurred. Instead of a situation where a new LNC
member fishes around trying to find the contact person for the LP
website, it should be part of the new LNC member information packet.
Likewise, all this information today, could/should be given to the
new LNC members when they're added to this email list. A simple
email to them, with the available information for T-shirts for
membership drives, personal LP donation links, etc. Everything
that's a tool or that aids them in their unpaid job.
Oh, FYI regarding the donation links you listed: The donation link
for Region 8 is out of date, it still has Patrick McKnight and Larry
Sharpe on it. The Region 7 link has error 404/
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-09 15:28, Wes Benedict wrote:
Elizabeth, you wrote: "why hasn't this been shared with the rest of
the LNC?"
There are many personalized links. Some below.
[6]https://www.lp.org/renew-sg/
[7]https://www.lp.org/renew-r6/
[8]https://www.lp.org/renew-r8/
[9]https://www.lp.org/renew-r7/
I'm not going to be able to recall all the things I've told other
LNC
members over the past 4 years that I have not yet shared with you
personally.
If I wrote notes to the LNC today disclosing everything I've shared
with the LNC before, it would drive everyone crazy.
You can get an overview by reviewing all emails from 2012-2018 here:
[10]http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/
And reading LNC meeting minutes: [11]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting
-archives/
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
[12](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [13]wes.benedict at lp.org
[14]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: [15]http://lp.org/membership
On 3/9/2018 3:19 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
Two questions for Daniel and Cayn Ann:
1) Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a
link that looks like *you personally* are responsible?
2) Likewise, are *you* more likely to ask people to donate, if
you're able to give them a link that has your picture, name, and
information?
If the answers are yes, to either 1 & 2, then why hasn't this been
shared with the rest of the LNC? (If it was share to the LNC prior
to me joining, then why hasn't anyone updated new members?)
(I wasn't even told when my picture was put into the LP website, it
just appeared. Whoever did it, took the picture off my FB profile,
and did so without asking or telling me.)
For this body to function well, it would behoove us to ensure that
the tools, which some have been given access to, are available, and
equally important, are *known* by all LNC members. This would
include who the contacts for getting things done, who to talk to for
materials, LP website info, etc.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[16]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-03-09 15:03, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
Daniel, I'm just now learning about all sorts of things. Thank you!
For instance, I never heard from Wes before that he'd "quite some
time
ago I decided to provide a small supply of shirts to Caryn Ann to
use
when promoting memberships."
This is also the first time I've seen him offer that same to other
LNC
members. I certainly never knew about it.
As for a personal LP donation page link, this is the first time I
knew
such a thing existed.
This is an example of the lack of transparency that some like to
talk
about. Why were these things not brought to the attention of all
the
LNC before this point? Granted, I've only been on this body for
about
2.5 months, but you'd think someone would have mentioned these
things.
I've noted a while back that there seems to be certain things
offered
to some people, and not others. Why is that? Perhaps the
relationships developed. But, if this body is going to all be
working
to grow the LP, and you said that you want the LP to be successful,
then you'd think that EVERYONE on the LNC would have been told about
these donation and membership arrangements that aid them. Right?
I still can't fathom why someone would want to take personal credit
for doing what we all should be doing. Is these a reason why anyone
would have a personal donation page link to the LP, and not just
send
them to the main donation page? (This is a serious question, btw.
Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a
link
that looks like *you personally* are responsible?)
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-09 14:43, Daniel Hayes wrote:
I think that Wes has said that he will make this available to any
LNC
member willing to promote National Membership during state
conventions. That makes this opportunity available to all LNC
members. I think that satisfies the policy manual. Instead of
saying
“You can’t do that” maybe “I will do that too!” might be better.
LNC
members should be trying to outdo each other with memberships.
I think every LNC member should have one of these.
[17]www.LP.org/Daniel
To my knowledge only Caryn Ann and I have these, because we are the
only ones that asked. I use it at times and other times I use the
regular link or the current promo link or the ASC link or various
convention links or the State CRM link. I am interested in this
organization succeeding. Maybe you did or maybe y’all didn’t notice
that Louisiana National Memberships went up by close to 90% last
year.
Wonder how that happened....
I could never have another day on the LNC and I still have more on
my
plate to do to help this Party succeed than any 3 people could. If
you are not in something of a similar situation, you ain’t trying.
Let’s encourage each other to do more, not less.
Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[18]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
You too Daniel?
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:16 PM Daniel Hayes
<[1][19]Daniel.Hayes at lp.org>
wrote:
How bout some Music. This thread has the end of this song by
Rush
running through my head.
[1][2][20]https://g.co/kgs/6thRik
Daniel
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
<[2][3][21]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
Caryn Ann, it's not petty to take note of when an individual
will
be
afforded an advantage to their internal campaign for national
officer
position. Nor, to note that the advantage is being given by
an
arrangement with the LPHQ.
No one is stopping you from recruiting members.
It's simple. While you're campaigning for an internal
officer
position, you just shouldn't be giving away LP gifts to
members.
(I'm still puzzled about why you'd have been tracking the
recruitment
numbers, sending envelopes to LPHQ, etc. Why were you even
doing
that
method? To have a tracking system, so Wes could cite your
numbers? The
more I hear, the more baffling it becomes.)
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-09 13:54, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Elizabeth because it is. It’s super petty. I am not
claiming
it
wouldn’t be said to someone else. It would be petty
there
too.
And it
far pre-dates you or me.
And recruiting members is all of our jobs. I am not
supposed
to
do my
job - gotcha.
I couldn’t make this stuff up.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1][3][4][22]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
What's with the personal smears? You wrote: "it isn't
talking
about
petty internal jealousies and power struggles."
Caryn Ann, I would be writing the exact same thing for
ANYONE
that
is
doing internal campaigning and while simultaneously
giving
away
free-LP-gifts.
Are you able to step outside yourself, and look at it
from
the
position
of how it gives an uneven advantage to your internal
campaigning?
Because, it does. Whether you'll acknowledge that
remains
to be
seen.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-09 13:37, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Yes Wes your memory is correct.
And people who are personally approached and given
what
they
are
entitled to not only saves us shipping but I find
those
people
tend
to
throw in an extra $25. And some turn into recruiters
for
me.
They
go
grab their friends and bring them over.
I really have a lot better things to do but I am
spending
time
on
this
because this is precisely one of our problems. The
Policy
Manual
isn't
talking about membership drives. it isn't talking
about
petty
internal
jealousies and power struggles. If so, let's forbid
any
sitting
member
from running because they cannot effectively do their
job
out
of
worry
that their efforts might get them some credit, and
that is
what
matters, not you know, growing the Party. I say, hey
LP.
Equip me
with what you would do anyway to get members passively
and
I
will
actively bring you 100 members. If I promise to do it
with
a
bag
over
my head and a voice modulator so that there is no risk
that
anyone
would ever be tempted to think well of me, would that
help?
Peak
Poe's
Law Achieved.
Or in a more homey fashion. I couldn't think of a
more apt
example
of
LNC micromanagement and cutting our nose off to spite
our
face. We
have freedom to win out there and instead we play
internal
whack-a-mole
with anyone that might be sticking their head up a
little
bit
too
high. The only thing that would make it more
perfectly LP
is
to
cite
footnote 5(a)(c)(d) of RONR. Because that's how we
roll.
We do those promos precisely to sign people up.
I’ve got the CO convention in two weeks - what say the
rest
of
the
LNC?
Or do I inform that Board ixnay on the member signups.
Also OH and NH?
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][2][4][5][23]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Two states invited me to speak AND do member drives.
Do I now tell them no lest I be the temptress of the
shirts?
This have gone to a ridiculous level. Hobbling
volunteers
who
have
a
proven track record is not a good look for the Party.
Can’t
let
anyone
do well, lord forbid. Better to have the Party get
less
members and
have to pay to ship them. Yeah, that’s wise.
No. That’s insanely disfunctional.
This is what we should be encouraging.
Instead (and this goes back to way before this
conversation)
there
are
petty arguments about who might be noticed. Because
lord
forbid
someone might be mentioned on FB for getting things
done.
So tell Ohio and NH that the crown has forbidden me to
bear
the
tshirts
of glory?
Yes. It’s petty nonsense. It’s been going on a long
time
and
is an
LP
cultural issue and it needs to die in a fire. We need
to
be
empowering
Party growth wherever and by whoever wants to do it.
Good
lord
this
is
ludicrous.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:42 AM Wes Benedict
<[2][3][5][6][24]wes.benedict at lp.org>
wrote:
The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and
other
things
as
membership promotions for a long time.
For example:
[3][4][6][7][25]https://www.lp.org/join11/
[4][5][7][8][26]https://www.lp.org/join10/
[5][6][8][9][27]https://www.lp.org/join9/
If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out
recruiting
members
at
state conventions without offering anything in
return. As
she
did
that
work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various
places
online
would
start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I
joined."
Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes
we'll
give
you
a
shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a
shirt
(polos
excluded
because they are higher cost").
As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members
and
members
asking
for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide
a
small
supply
of
shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting
memberships.
If any other LNC members want to help recruit
memberships,
let me
know,
and I'll send you a small supply of these two
shirts:
[6][7][9][10][28]https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t
-shirt/
[7][8][10][11][29]https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
These shirts are to be used for membership
recruitment
purposes.
Any
you
don't use should be returned to me in the future.
Thanks,
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
[8]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
[9][30](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
[10][9][11][12][31]wes.benedict at lp.org
[11][10][12][13][32]facebook.com/libertarians
@LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at:
[12][11][13][14][33]http://lp.org/membership
On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
There is no service. Conversely in fact.
(and btw though not applicable it is an
either/or
in
that
statement)
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van
Horn
<[1][13][12][14][15][34]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:
Caryn Ann, you're running for a national
officer
position.
From the
LNC
Policy Manual page 46:
------
"6) Limitations on Party Support for Party
Office
Party resources shall not be used to provide
information
or
services
for
any candidate for party
office unless:
• such information or services are available
and
announced
on an
equal
basis to all
Libertarians who have declared they are
seeking
that
office,
or
• such information or services are generally
available and
announced
to
all party
members."
-----
The above language isn't "either/or", which
would
indicate
only one
condition applies. Both conditions apply.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I say let’s get everyone who wants to
recruiting.
I
don’t
see a
line
forming after the last offer by Wes.
And we are insanely territorial. And I
will
continue
to
point
it
out.
I don’t appreciate its existence.
I almost as a joke was going to ask if
I
needed
permission to
wear
my
Party issued name badge. Then I
stopped and
realized
that the
internal
senseless politicking has reached Peak
Poe’s
Law
and
it
is
indistinguishable from a parody of
itself
and it
could
go
either
way.
I will be. Lodge objections now.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM
Elizabeth
Van
Horn
<[1][2][14][13][15][16][35]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:
Caryn Ann, people can go to the
website
and
sign-up
for
membership.
I
have no idea what you mean by "the
standard
membership pitch"
or
standard supplies. Nor, do I
appreciate
you
using
terms
like,
"insanely
territorial and self-destructive",
when
I'm
saying
to
you the
same
things I'd say to anyone who is
running a
campaign
for a
national
LP
officer position. We currently have
three
people
running for
chair,
and
six or seven running for Vice-Chair,
and
two
that I
know of
who
are
running (maybe declared) for
secretary.
Gosh,
at
this rate,
more
people
may jump into the fray. Are all
these
people
going
to be
given
the
same
materials? Some are making trips to
a lot
of
state
conventions.
Are those people going to be given
the
exact
same
supplies as
you?
If
the supplies are T-shirts and gifts,
then
do
they
all
get
those to
give
to people while they campaign? What
if
they're
signing-up
national
members? As it's easier to influence
people
when
they're
being
given
something.
You yourself wrote: "People sign up
twice as
much
when they
get
something in their hands on the
spot."
That
goes
for
campaigning
too.
I'm still not understanding why you
send
envelopes
to
LPHQ
when
signing
up members. I've never heard of
anyone
doing
that.
People I
know
just
sign-up someone, and that's that.
We're
not
keeping
track or
recording
the numbers, as it's not a
competition.
Turning the tide on membership isn't
going
to
happen
with
blitz-sign-ups
at conventions. Daily I'm seeing
people
announce
that
they're
leaving
the LP. Some even shared with me
information
on
new
political
party
they're attempting to start. (Former
LP
members who
all just
left
the LP
this past year) The issue is a
systemic
one.
When I
mention
this
issue,
I get the usual reaction from the
usual
people.
So,
I expect
no
different this time.
If you wish to take up this issue at
the
April
LNC
meeting,
then I
look
forward to the discussion.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of
Madison Co,
Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process Review
Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist
Caucus
[2][3][15][14][16][17][36]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos
wrote:
Members are entitled to a free
shirt.
All of us should be doing this
and
that
opportunity is
equally
available to all.
To say that successful
recruiters who
happen
to
be
running
cannot
use
the standard membership pitch to
me
is
where
we
get
insanely
territorial and
self-destructive.
People sign up twice as much
when
they
get
something in
their
hands
on
the spot.
I will get 100 more members. If
I
have
to be
hobbled by
not
even
having the standard supplies,
well -
we
aren’t
interested in
signing
up
members because we are too
concerned
over
our
internicence
calculations. And if that’s the
case
-
I’m
not
setting
myself
up
for
failure. If I’m going to
recruit,
I’m
going
to
kick
ass. If
I’m
not
equipped for success then I’m
going
to
put my
energy
elsewhere
and
will
deliver to Wes in April the
remainder
and
will
not get
the 20
at the
CO
convention which is my goal.
I would like the rest of the LNC
to
weigh
in.
If not please consider this my
request
for
agenda time
in
April
to
settle this.
-Caryn Ann
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM
Elizabeth
Van
Horn
<[1][3][4][16][15][17][18][37]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
Caryn Ann, I think it's great
that
you
do
membership
recruiting.
My concern would be if you're
personal
campaigning and
also
using
membership supplies that are
gifts/freebie
things to
give
to
prospective
recruits. (You'd mentioned
T-shirts,
in a
past
communication
on
this
subject.) I'm not sure what
membership
supplies
you'd
need,
as
signing
up members can just be done
with a
laptop on
the spot.
No
need for
supplies. So, if you're not
giving
people
gifts or
freebie
stuff,
while
signing-up/campaigning, then I
see
no
issue.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of
Madison
Co,
Indiana
Chair-LP Social Media Process
Review
Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian
Pragmatist
Caucus
[2][4][5][17][16][18][19][38]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann
Harlos
wrote:
Beginning April I will be at
a
convention
nearly
every
weekend,
some of
them I am an invited
guest
speaker
and
other are
campaign
trips.
Is there any objection to
my
continuing
my
membership
recruitment
during these trips (no
cost to
the
Party
other
than
the
membership
supplies).
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian
National
Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado,
Hawaii,
Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington)
- [1]Caryn.Ann.
[19]Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director,
[2]Libertarian
Party of
Colorado
Chair, LP Historical
Preservation
Committee
A haiku to the Statement
of
Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of
force
Taxation is theft
References
1.
mailto:[3][20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
2.
[4][5][6][18][17][21][20][39]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian
National
Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
Kansas,
Montana,
Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington)
- [5]Caryn.Ann.
[22]Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director,
[6]Libertarian
Party
of
Colorado
Chair, LP Historical
Preservation
Committee
A haiku to the Statement of
Principles:
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [40]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [41]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
3. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
4. http://facebook.com/libertarians
5. http://lp.org/membership
6. https://www.lp.org/renew-sg/
7. https://www.lp.org/renew-r6/
8. https://www.lp.org/renew-r8/
9. https://www.lp.org/renew-r7/
10. http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/
11. https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
12. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
13. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
14. http://facebook.com/libertarians
15. http://lp.org/membership
16. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
17. http://www.LP.org/Daniel
18. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
19. mailto:Daniel.Hayes at lp.org
20. https://g.co/kgs/6thRik
21. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
22. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
23. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
24. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
25. https://www.lp.org/join11/
26. https://www.lp.org/join10/
27. https://www.lp.org/join9/
28. https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
29. https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
30. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
31. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
32. http://facebook.com/libertarians
33. http://lp.org/membership
34. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
35. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
36. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
37. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
38. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
39. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
40. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
41. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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