[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 17:27:04 EST 2018


David and I were given a rather dismissive answer by other member(s) when
we were new and asked for help. LNC training materials is greatly needed.

But back to my OP for my conclusory remark.

I made my disclosure.  Until Wes or Nick withdraw the offer, or this LNC
makes a motion to disallow, I will continue as I planned.  My next
convention is in 16 days so if a motion is forthcoming please start it so
it can be over be then if possible.

If there is no motion, then perhaps this was not an issue and the LNC has
better things to do.  Like recruiting members.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> wrote:

> Thank you Wes,
>
> I agree that a new member orientation/information packet would best be
> created by the LNC.  Two reasons:  1) You're already tasked with numerous
> items. 2) Current/experienced LNC members would better know what they have
> available to them.
>
> The success of an orientation/information packet would depend upon more
> experienced LNC members sharing their information, tools, and knowledge.
> Hopefully, all are willing to do so.  Perhaps, this exchange will even
> prompt some to offer to help create such a knowledge base for new and
> current LNC members.  I'd like to think that everyone on the LNC, would
> want all the other members to have the same information, tools, and
> knowledge for website communication, recruiting members and soliciting
> donations, etc.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2018-03-09 16:00, Wes Benedict wrote:
>
>> The region 7 link worked for me. Still does. I don't know why you got
>> the 404 error for it.
>>
>> If the new region 8 reps would like the region 8 page to be updated,
>> I'll update it. Or, if they're prefer separate pages for each
>> individual, I'd be happy to do that as well.
>>
>> Regarding the new LNC member orientation, I'm thinking the LNC should
>> produce that rather than me.
>>
>> However, if the LNC (as a board) or the chair directs me to create it,
>> I'll create it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>
>> On 3/9/2018 3:50 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>
>>> Wes, no one is asking you to recall conversations from four years ago.
>>> Nor, is asking me to review all the email archives for the past fours,
>>> appropriate to glean the information.
>>>
>>> What I'm asking, and this isn't unreasonable, is that there be a
>>> standard information dump for new LNC members. This would include who to
>>> contact for getting their information onto the website.  I had to do that
>>> through trial and error, as the Region 3 Rep information wasn't updated in
>>> a timely fashion.  I also had to contact people to correct an error on the
>>> LP website, and no one knew how the error occurred. Instead of a situation
>>> where a new LNC member fishes around trying to find the contact person for
>>> the LP website, it should be part of the new LNC member information packet.
>>>
>>> Likewise, all this information today, could/should be given to the new
>>> LNC members when they're added to this email list. A simple email to them,
>>> with the available information for T-shirts for membership drives, personal
>>> LP donation links, etc.  Everything that's a tool or that aids them in
>>> their unpaid job.
>>>
>>> Oh, FYI regarding the donation links you listed:  The donation link for
>>> Region 8 is out of date, it still has Patrick McKnight and Larry Sharpe on
>>> it.  The Region 7 link has error 404/
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-03-09 15:28, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elizabeth, you wrote: "why hasn't this been shared with the rest of the
>>>> LNC?"
>>>>
>>>> There are many personalized links. Some below.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-sg/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-r6/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-r8/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/renew-r7/
>>>>
>>>> I'm not going to be able to recall all the things I've told other LNC
>>>> members over the past 4 years that I have not yet shared with you
>>>> personally.
>>>>
>>>> If I wrote notes to the LNC today disclosing everything I've shared
>>>> with the LNC before, it would drive everyone crazy.
>>>>
>>>> You can get an overview by reviewing all emails from 2012-2018 here:
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/
>>>>
>>>> And reading LNC meeting minutes: https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting
>>>> -archives/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 3/9/2018 3:19 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two questions for Daniel and Cayn Ann:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a
>>>>> link that looks like *you personally* are responsible?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2)  Likewise, are *you* more likely to ask people to donate, if you're
>>>>> able to give them a link that has your picture, name, and information?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the answers are yes, to either 1 & 2, then why hasn't this been
>>>>> shared with the rest of the LNC?  (If it was share to the LNC prior to me
>>>>> joining, then why hasn't anyone updated new members?)
>>>>>
>>>>> (I wasn't even told when my picture was put into the LP website, it
>>>>> just appeared.  Whoever did it, took the picture off my FB profile, and did
>>>>> so without asking or telling me.)
>>>>>
>>>>> For this body to function well, it would behoove us to ensure that the
>>>>> tools, which some have been given access to, are available, and equally
>>>>> important, are *known* by all LNC members. This would include who the
>>>>> contacts for getting things done, who to talk to for materials, LP website
>>>>> info, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-03-09 15:03, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel, I'm just now learning about all sorts of things.  Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, I never heard from Wes before that he'd "quite some time
>>>>>> ago I decided to provide a small supply of shirts to Caryn Ann to use
>>>>>> when promoting memberships."
>>>>>> This is also the first time I've seen him offer that same to other LNC
>>>>>> members. I certainly never knew about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for a personal LP donation page link, this is the first time I knew
>>>>>> such a thing existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an example of the lack of transparency that some like to talk
>>>>>> about.  Why were these things not brought to the attention of all the
>>>>>> LNC before this point? Granted, I've only been on this body for about
>>>>>> 2.5 months, but you'd think someone would have mentioned these things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've noted a while back that there seems to be certain things offered
>>>>>> to some people, and not others.  Why is that?  Perhaps the
>>>>>> relationships developed.  But, if this body is going to all be working
>>>>>> to grow the LP, and you said that you want the LP to be successful,
>>>>>> then you'd think that EVERYONE on the LNC would have been told about
>>>>>> these donation and membership arrangements that aid them. Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still can't fathom why someone would want to take personal credit
>>>>>> for doing what we all should be doing.  Is these a reason why anyone
>>>>>> would have a personal donation page link to the LP, and not just send
>>>>>> them to the main donation page?  (This is a serious question, btw.
>>>>>> Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a link
>>>>>> that looks like *you personally* are responsible?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-03-09 14:43, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that Wes has said that he will make this available to any LNC
>>>>>>> member willing to promote National Membership during state
>>>>>>> conventions.  That makes this opportunity available to all LNC
>>>>>>> members.  I think that satisfies the policy manual. Instead of saying
>>>>>>> “You can’t do that” maybe “I will do that too!” might be better.  LNC
>>>>>>> members should be trying to outdo each other with memberships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think every LNC member should have one of these.
>>>>>>> www.LP.org/Daniel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To my knowledge only Caryn Ann and I have these, because we are the
>>>>>>> only ones that asked. I use it at times and other times I use the
>>>>>>> regular link or the current promo link or the ASC link or various
>>>>>>> convention links or the State CRM link.  I am interested in this
>>>>>>> organization succeeding.  Maybe you did or maybe y’all didn’t notice
>>>>>>> that Louisiana National Memberships went up by close to 90% last
>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>  Wonder how that happened....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could never have another day on the LNC and I still have more on my
>>>>>>> plate to do to help this Party succeed than any 3 people could.  If
>>>>>>> you are not in something of a similar situation, you ain’t trying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let’s encourage each other to do more, not less.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   You too Daniel?
>>>>>>>>   On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:16 PM Daniel Hayes <[1]
>>>>>>>> Daniel.Hayes at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        How bout some Music. This thread has the end of this song by
>>>>>>>> Rush
>>>>>>>>        running through my head.
>>>>>>>>        [1][2]https://g.co/kgs/6thRik
>>>>>>>>        Daniel
>>>>>>>>        Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>        On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>        <[2][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>        Caryn Ann, it's not petty to take note of when an individual
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>     be
>>>>>>>>        afforded an advantage to their internal campaign for national
>>>>>>>>     officer
>>>>>>>>        position. Nor, to note that the advantage is being given by
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>        arrangement with the LPHQ.
>>>>>>>>        No one is stopping you from recruiting members.
>>>>>>>>        It's simple.  While you're campaigning for an internal
>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>>        position, you just shouldn't be giving away LP gifts to
>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>        (I'm still puzzled about why you'd have been tracking the
>>>>>>>>     recruitment
>>>>>>>>        numbers, sending envelopes to LPHQ, etc.  Why were you even
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>     that
>>>>>>>>        method? To have a tracking system, so Wes could cite your
>>>>>>>>     numbers?  The
>>>>>>>>        more I hear, the more baffling it becomes.)
>>>>>>>>        Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>        On 2018-03-09 13:54, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>          Elizabeth because it is.  It’s super petty.  I am not
>>>>>>>> claiming
>>>>>>>>     it
>>>>>>>>            wouldn’t be said to someone else.  It would be petty
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>     too.
>>>>>>>>          And it
>>>>>>>>            far pre-dates you or me.
>>>>>>>>            And recruiting members is all of our jobs.  I am not
>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>>     to
>>>>>>>>          do my
>>>>>>>>            job - gotcha.
>>>>>>>>            I couldn’t make this stuff up.
>>>>>>>>            On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>            <[1][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>              What's with the personal smears?   You wrote: "it isn't
>>>>>>>>     talking
>>>>>>>>              about
>>>>>>>>              petty internal jealousies and power struggles."
>>>>>>>>              Caryn Ann, I would be writing the exact same thing for
>>>>>>>>     ANYONE
>>>>>>>>          that
>>>>>>>>              is
>>>>>>>>              doing internal campaigning and while simultaneously
>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>>     away
>>>>>>>>              free-LP-gifts.
>>>>>>>>              Are you able to step outside yourself, and look at it
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>     the
>>>>>>>>              position
>>>>>>>>              of how it gives an uneven advantage to your internal
>>>>>>>>          campaigning?
>>>>>>>>              Because, it does.  Whether you'll acknowledge that
>>>>>>>> remains
>>>>>>>>     to be
>>>>>>>>              seen.
>>>>>>>>              ---
>>>>>>>>              Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>              On 2018-03-09 13:37, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes Wes your memory is correct.
>>>>>>>>>   And people who are personally approached and given
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     what
>>>>>>>>          they
>>>>>>>>              are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   entitled to not only saves us shipping but I find
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     those
>>>>>>>>          people
>>>>>>>>              tend
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>   throw in an extra $25.  And some turn into recruiters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     for
>>>>>>>>          me.
>>>>>>>>              They
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>   grab their friends and bring them over.
>>>>>>>>>   I really have a lot better things to do but I am
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     spending
>>>>>>>>          time
>>>>>>>>              on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>   because this is precisely one of our problems.  The
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Policy
>>>>>>>>              Manual
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>   talking about membership drives.  it isn't talking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     about
>>>>>>>>          petty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> internal
>>>>>>>>>   jealousies and power struggles.  If so, let's forbid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     any
>>>>>>>>              sitting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>   from running because they cannot effectively do their
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     job
>>>>>>>>          out
>>>>>>>>              of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>>>>   that their efforts might get them some credit, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     that is
>>>>>>>>          what
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   matters, not you know, growing the Party.  I say, hey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     LP.
>>>>>>>>              Equip me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   with what you would do anyway to get members passively
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>          I
>>>>>>>>              will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   actively bring you 100 members. If I promise to do it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     with
>>>>>>>>          a
>>>>>>>>              bag
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>   my head and a voice modulator so that there is no risk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     that
>>>>>>>>              anyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   would ever be tempted to think well of me, would that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     help?
>>>>>>>>              Peak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Poe's
>>>>>>>>>   Law Achieved.
>>>>>>>>>   Or in a more homey fashion. I couldn't think of a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     more apt
>>>>>>>>              example
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>   LNC micromanagement and cutting our nose off to spite
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     our
>>>>>>>>              face.  We
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   have freedom to win out there and instead we play
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     internal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> whack-a-mole
>>>>>>>>>   with anyone that might be sticking their head up a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     little
>>>>>>>>          bit
>>>>>>>>              too
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   high.  The only thing that would make it more
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     perfectly LP
>>>>>>>>          is
>>>>>>>>              to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cite
>>>>>>>>>   footnote 5(a)(c)(d) of RONR.  Because that's how we
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     roll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   We do those promos precisely to sign people up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   I’ve got the CO convention in two weeks - what say the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     rest
>>>>>>>>          of
>>>>>>>>              the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LNC?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Or do I inform that Board ixnay on the member signups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Also OH and NH?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>   <[1][2][4][5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Two states invited me to speak AND do member drives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Do I now tell them no lest I be the temptress of the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          shirts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   This have gone to a ridiculous level.  Hobbling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     volunteers
>>>>>>>>          who
>>>>>>>>              have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>   proven track record is not a good look for the Party.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Can’t
>>>>>>>>              let
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>   do well, lord forbid.  Better to have the Party get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     less
>>>>>>>>              members and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   have to pay to ship them. Yeah, that’s wise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   No. That’s insanely disfunctional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   This is what we should be encouraging.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Instead (and this goes back to way before this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          conversation)
>>>>>>>>              there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>   petty arguments about who might be noticed.  Because
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     lord
>>>>>>>>              forbid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   someone might be mentioned on FB for getting things
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   So tell Ohio and NH that the crown has forbidden me to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     bear
>>>>>>>>          the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tshirts
>>>>>>>>>   of glory?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Yes.  It’s petty nonsense.  It’s been going on a long
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     time
>>>>>>>>          and
>>>>>>>>              is an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>   cultural issue and it needs to die in a fire.  We need
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     to
>>>>>>>>          be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> empowering
>>>>>>>>>   Party growth wherever and by whoever wants to do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Good
>>>>>>>>          lord
>>>>>>>>              this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>   ludicrous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:42 AM Wes Benedict
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              <[2][3][5][6]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          other
>>>>>>>>              things
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>     membership promotions for a long time.
>>>>>>>>>     For example:
>>>>>>>>>     [3][4][6][7]https://www.lp.org/join11/
>>>>>>>>>     [4][5][7][8]https://www.lp.org/join10/
>>>>>>>>>     [5][6][8][9]https://www.lp.org/join9/
>>>>>>>>>     If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     recruiting
>>>>>>>>              members
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>     state conventions without offering anything in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     return. As
>>>>>>>>          she
>>>>>>>>              did
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     that
>>>>>>>>>     work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          places
>>>>>>>>              online
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     would
>>>>>>>>>     start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          joined."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          we'll
>>>>>>>>              give
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>     a
>>>>>>>>>     shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     shirt
>>>>>>>>              (polos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     excluded
>>>>>>>>>     because they are higher cost").
>>>>>>>>>     As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>              members
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     asking
>>>>>>>>>     for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     a
>>>>>>>>          small
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> supply
>>>>>>>>>     of
>>>>>>>>>     shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     memberships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     If any other LNC members want to help recruit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          memberships,
>>>>>>>>              let me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     know,
>>>>>>>>>     and I'll send you a small supply of these two
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     shirts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [6][7][9][10]https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [7][8][10][11]https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     These shirts are to be used for membership
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     recruitment
>>>>>>>>              purposes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>>     you
>>>>>>>>>     don't use should be returned to me in the future.
>>>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>     Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>     Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>     [8]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>>>>>>>     [9](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          [10][9][11][12]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [11][10][12][13]facebook.com/libertarians
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     @LPNational
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Join the Libertarian Party at:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              [12][11][13][14]http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>    There is no service.  Conversely in fact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    (and btw though not applicable it is an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     either/or
>>>>>>>>          in
>>>>>>>>              that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     statement)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Horn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <[1][13][12][14][15]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Caryn Ann, you're running for a national
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     officer
>>>>>>>>              position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     From the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      LNC
>>>>>>>>>>      Policy Manual page 46:
>>>>>>>>>>      ------
>>>>>>>>>>      "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Office
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Party resources shall not be used to provide
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>              information
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>     services
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      for
>>>>>>>>>>      any candidate for party
>>>>>>>>>>      office unless:
>>>>>>>>>>      • such information or services are available
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>              announced
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     on an
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      equal
>>>>>>>>>>      basis to all
>>>>>>>>>>      Libertarians who have declared they are
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     seeking
>>>>>>>>          that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> office,
>>>>>>>>>     or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      • such information or services are generally
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>              available and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     announced
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      to
>>>>>>>>>>      all party
>>>>>>>>>>      members."
>>>>>>>>>>      -----
>>>>>>>>>>      The above language isn't "either/or", which
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     would
>>>>>>>>              indicate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     only one
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>>>>>>>>>>      ---
>>>>>>>>>>      Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I say let’s get everyone who wants to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          recruiting.
>>>>>>>>              I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> don’t
>>>>>>>>>     see a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      line
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   forming after the last offer by Wes.
>>>>>>>>>>>   And we are insanely territorial. And I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     will
>>>>>>>>              continue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>     point
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>>>   I don’t appreciate its existence.
>>>>>>>>>>>   I almost as a joke was going to ask if
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     I
>>>>>>>>          needed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     permission to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      wear
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>   Party issued name badge.  Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     stopped and
>>>>>>>>              realized
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     that the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> internal
>>>>>>>>>>>   senseless politicking has reached Peak
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Poe’s
>>>>>>>>          Law
>>>>>>>>              and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>     is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   indistinguishable from a parody of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     itself
>>>>>>>>          and it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>     go
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      either
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>   I will be.  Lodge objections now.
>>>>>>>>>>>   On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Elizabeth
>>>>>>>>          Van
>>>>>>>>              Horn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][2][14][13][15][16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>          wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Caryn Ann, people can go to the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     website
>>>>>>>>          and
>>>>>>>>              sign-up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>>>>>>     I
>>>>>>>>>>>     have no idea what you mean by "the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          standard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     membership pitch"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     standard supplies.  Nor, do I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     appreciate
>>>>>>>>          you
>>>>>>>>              using
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     terms
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      like,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     "insanely
>>>>>>>>>>>     territorial and self-destructive",
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     when
>>>>>>>>          I'm
>>>>>>>>              saying
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>     you the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      same
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     things I'd say to anyone who is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     running a
>>>>>>>>              campaign
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     for a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      national
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>>     officer position.  We currently have
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     three
>>>>>>>>              people
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     running for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chair,
>>>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>>>>     six or seven running for Vice-Chair,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>          two
>>>>>>>>              that I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     know of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      who
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>     running (maybe declared) for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     secretary.
>>>>>>>>          Gosh,
>>>>>>>>              at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     this rate,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      more
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     people
>>>>>>>>>>>     may jump into the fray.  Are all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     these
>>>>>>>>          people
>>>>>>>>              going
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     to be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      given
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>     same
>>>>>>>>>>>     materials?  Some are making trips to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     a lot
>>>>>>>>          of
>>>>>>>>              state
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      conventions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Are those people going to be given
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     the
>>>>>>>>          exact
>>>>>>>>              same
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     supplies as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     If
>>>>>>>>>>>     the supplies are T-shirts and gifts,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     then
>>>>>>>>          do
>>>>>>>>              they
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>     get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      those to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     give
>>>>>>>>>>>     to people while they campaign?  What
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     if
>>>>>>>>              they're
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     signing-up
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>>>>     members?  As it's easier to influence
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          people
>>>>>>>>              when
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     they're
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      being
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     given
>>>>>>>>>>>     something.
>>>>>>>>>>>     You yourself wrote:   "People sign up
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          twice as
>>>>>>>>              much
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     when they
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      get
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     something in their hands on the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     spot."
>>>>>>>>          That
>>>>>>>>              goes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      campaigning
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     too.
>>>>>>>>>>>     I'm still not understanding why you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     send
>>>>>>>>              envelopes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>     LPHQ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      when
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     signing
>>>>>>>>>>>     up members.  I've never heard of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     anyone
>>>>>>>>          doing
>>>>>>>>              that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     People I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      know
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     just
>>>>>>>>>>>     sign-up someone, and that's that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     We're
>>>>>>>>          not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> keeping
>>>>>>>>>     track or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     recording
>>>>>>>>>>>     the numbers, as it's not a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     competition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Turning the tide on membership isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     going
>>>>>>>>          to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>     with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     blitz-sign-ups
>>>>>>>>>>>     at conventions. Daily I'm seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     people
>>>>>>>>              announce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>     they're
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     leaving
>>>>>>>>>>>     the LP.  Some even shared with me
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          information
>>>>>>>>              on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> party
>>>>>>>>>>>     they're attempting to start. (Former
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     LP
>>>>>>>>              members who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     all just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      left
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     the LP
>>>>>>>>>>>     this past year) The issue is a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     systemic
>>>>>>>>          one.
>>>>>>>>              When I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     mention
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      this
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     issue,
>>>>>>>>>>>     I get the usual reaction from the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     usual
>>>>>>>>              people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>>     I expect
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      no
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     different this time.
>>>>>>>>>>>     If you wish to take up this issue at
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     the
>>>>>>>>          April
>>>>>>>>              LNC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     meeting,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      then I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     look
>>>>>>>>>>>     forward to the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>     ---
>>>>>>>>>>>     Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>>>     LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>>>>>>>>     Secretary Libertarian Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Madison Co,
>>>>>>>>              Indiana
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Chair-LP Social Media Process Review
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Caucus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     [2][3][15][14][16][17]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Members are entitled to a free
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     shirt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   All of us should be doing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>          that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     opportunity is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> equally
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   available to all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   To say that successful
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     recruiters who
>>>>>>>>              happen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>     be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      running
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>   the standard membership pitch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     me
>>>>>>>>          is
>>>>>>>>              where
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>     get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      insanely
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   territorial and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     self-destructive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   People sign up twice as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     when
>>>>>>>>          they
>>>>>>>>              get
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     something in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      their
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     hands
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>   the spot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   I will get 100 more members.  If
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     I
>>>>>>>>          have
>>>>>>>>              to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     hobbled by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     even
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   having the standard supplies,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     well -
>>>>>>>>          we
>>>>>>>>              aren’t
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      interested in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     signing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>   members because we are too
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     concerned
>>>>>>>>          over
>>>>>>>>              our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      internicence
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   calculations.  And if that’s the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     case
>>>>>>>>          -
>>>>>>>>              I’m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>     setting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>     up
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>   failure.  If I’m going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     recruit,
>>>>>>>>          I’m
>>>>>>>>              going
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>     kick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      ass.  If
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     I’m
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>   equipped for success then I’m
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     going
>>>>>>>>          to
>>>>>>>>              put my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     energy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere
>>>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>   deliver to Wes in April the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     remainder
>>>>>>>>          and
>>>>>>>>              will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     not get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      the 20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     at the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CO
>>>>>>>>>>>>   convention which is my goal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   I would like the rest of the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     to
>>>>>>>>          weigh
>>>>>>>>              in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   If not please consider this my
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          request
>>>>>>>>              for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     agenda time
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> April
>>>>>>>>>>>     to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   settle this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>   -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Elizabeth
>>>>>>>>              Van
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Horn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][3][4][16][15][17][18]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Caryn Ann, I think it's great
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     that
>>>>>>>>          you
>>>>>>>>              do
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     membership
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     recruiting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     My concern would be if you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          personal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     campaigning and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      also
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     using
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     membership supplies that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>              gifts/freebie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     things to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      give
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     prospective
>>>>>>>>>>>>     recruits.  (You'd mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          T-shirts,
>>>>>>>>              in a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     past
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>>>>>>     on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     this
>>>>>>>>>>>>     subject.)   I'm not sure what
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>              membership
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     supplies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      you'd
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> need,
>>>>>>>>>>>     as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     signing
>>>>>>>>>>>>     up members can just be done
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     with a
>>>>>>>>              laptop on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     the spot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      No
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     need for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     supplies.  So, if you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     giving
>>>>>>>>              people
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     gifts or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      freebie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     stuff,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     while
>>>>>>>>>>>>     signing-up/campaigning, then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     see
>>>>>>>>          no
>>>>>>>>              issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>>>>     LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Secretary Libertarian Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Madison
>>>>>>>>              Co,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Indiana
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Chair-LP Social Media Process
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Review
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Vice-Chair Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Pragmatist
>>>>>>>>              Caucus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [2][4][5][17][16][18][19]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Harlos
>>>>>>>>              wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beginning April I will be at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     a
>>>>>>>>              convention
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     nearly
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      every
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     weekend,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   them I am an invited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     guest
>>>>>>>>          speaker
>>>>>>>>              and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     other are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     campaign
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     trips.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Is there any objection to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     my
>>>>>>>>              continuing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     my
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      membership
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     recruitment
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   during these trips (no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     cost to
>>>>>>>>          the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>>>     other
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      than
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     membership
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   supplies).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Libertarian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     National
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Arizona, Colorado,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hawaii,
>>>>>>>>          Kansas,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Montana, Utah,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   - [1]Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>          [19]Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Communications Director,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>              [2]Libertarian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Party of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Preservation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     of
>>>>>>>>              Principles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   And oppose the use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     force
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>              mailto:[3][20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [4][5][6][18][17][21][20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Libertarian
>>>>>>>>              National
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Kansas,
>>>>>>>>              Montana,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Utah,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>>>>>>>>   - [5]Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     [22]Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Communications Director,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          [6]Libertarian
>>>>>>>>              Party
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Preservation
>>>>>>>>              Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Principles:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>


-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   David and I were given a rather dismissive answer by other member(s)
   when we were new and asked for help. LNC training materials is greatly
   needed.
   But back to my OP for my conclusory remark.
   I made my disclosure.  Until Wes or Nick withdraw the offer, or this
   LNC makes a motion to disallow, I will continue as I planned.  My next
   convention is in 16 days so if a motion is forthcoming please start it
   so it can be over be then if possible.
   If there is no motion, then perhaps this was not an issue and the LNC
   has better things to do.  Like recruiting members.

   On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
   <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:

     Thank you Wes,
     I agree that a new member orientation/information packet would best
     be created by the LNC.  Two reasons:  1) You're already tasked with
     numerous items. 2) Current/experienced LNC members would better know
     what they have available to them.
     The success of an orientation/information packet would depend upon
     more experienced LNC members sharing their information, tools, and
     knowledge. Hopefully, all are willing to do so.  Perhaps, this
     exchange will even prompt some to offer to help create such a
     knowledge base for new and current LNC members.  I'd like to think
     that everyone on the LNC, would want all the other members to have
     the same information, tools, and knowledge for website
     communication, recruiting members and soliciting donations, etc.
     ---
     Elizabeth Van Horn
     On 2018-03-09 16:00, Wes Benedict wrote:

     The region 7 link worked for me. Still does. I don't know why you
     got
     the 404 error for it.
     If the new region 8 reps would like the region 8 page to be updated,
     I'll update it. Or, if they're prefer separate pages for each
     individual, I'd be happy to do that as well.
     Regarding the new LNC member orientation, I'm thinking the LNC
     should
     produce that rather than me.
     However, if the LNC (as a board) or the chair directs me to create
     it,
     I'll create it.
     Thanks,
     Wes Benedict, Executive Director
     Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
     1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
     [2](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [3]wes.benedict at lp.org
     [4]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
     Join the Libertarian Party at: [5]http://lp.org/membership
     On 3/9/2018 3:50 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:

     Wes, no one is asking you to recall conversations from four years
     ago.  Nor, is asking me to review all the email archives for the
     past fours, appropriate to glean the information.
     What I'm asking, and this isn't unreasonable, is that there be a
     standard information dump for new LNC members. This would include
     who to contact for getting their information onto the website.  I
     had to do that through trial and error, as the Region 3 Rep
     information wasn't updated in a timely fashion.  I also had to
     contact people to correct an error on the LP website, and no one
     knew how the error occurred. Instead of a situation where a new LNC
     member fishes around trying to find the contact person for the LP
     website, it should be part of the new LNC member information packet.
     Likewise, all this information today, could/should be given to the
     new LNC members when they're added to this email list. A simple
     email to them, with the available information for T-shirts for
     membership drives, personal LP donation links, etc.  Everything
     that's a tool or that aids them in their unpaid job.
     Oh, FYI regarding the donation links you listed:  The donation link
     for Region 8 is out of date, it still has Patrick McKnight and Larry
     Sharpe on it.  The Region 7 link has error 404/
     ---
     Elizabeth Van Horn
     On 2018-03-09 15:28, Wes Benedict wrote:

     Elizabeth, you wrote: "why hasn't this been shared with the rest of
     the LNC?"
     There are many personalized links. Some below.
     [6]https://www.lp.org/renew-sg/
     [7]https://www.lp.org/renew-r6/
     [8]https://www.lp.org/renew-r8/
     [9]https://www.lp.org/renew-r7/
     I'm not going to be able to recall all the things I've told other
     LNC
     members over the past 4 years that I have not yet shared with you
     personally.
     If I wrote notes to the LNC today disclosing everything I've shared
     with the LNC before, it would drive everyone crazy.
     You can get an overview by reviewing all emails from 2012-2018 here:
     [10]http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/
     And reading LNC meeting minutes: [11]https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting
     -archives/
     Wes Benedict, Executive Director
     Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
     1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
     [12](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [13]wes.benedict at lp.org
     [14]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
     Join the Libertarian Party at: [15]http://lp.org/membership
     On 3/9/2018 3:19 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:

     Two questions for Daniel and Cayn Ann:
     1) Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a
     link that looks like *you personally* are responsible?
     2)  Likewise, are *you* more likely to ask people to donate, if
     you're able to give them a link that has your picture, name, and
     information?
     If the answers are yes, to either 1 & 2, then why hasn't this been
     shared with the rest of the LNC?  (If it was share to the LNC prior
     to me joining, then why hasn't anyone updated new members?)
     (I wasn't even told when my picture was put into the LP website, it
     just appeared.  Whoever did it, took the picture off my FB profile,
     and did so without asking or telling me.)
     For this body to function well, it would behoove us to ensure that
     the tools, which some have been given access to, are available, and
     equally important, are *known* by all LNC members. This would
     include who the contacts for getting things done, who to talk to for
     materials, LP website info, etc.
     ---
     Elizabeth Van Horn
     LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
     Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
     Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
     Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
     [16]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
     On 2018-03-09 15:03, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:

     Daniel, I'm just now learning about all sorts of things.  Thank you!
     For instance, I never heard from Wes before that he'd "quite some
     time
     ago I decided to provide a small supply of shirts to Caryn Ann to
     use
     when promoting memberships."
     This is also the first time I've seen him offer that same to other
     LNC
     members. I certainly never knew about it.
     As for a personal LP donation page link, this is the first time I
     knew
     such a thing existed.
     This is an example of the lack of transparency that some like to
     talk
     about.  Why were these things not brought to the attention of all
     the
     LNC before this point? Granted, I've only been on this body for
     about
     2.5 months, but you'd think someone would have mentioned these
     things.
     I've noted a while back that there seems to be certain things
     offered
     to some people, and not others.  Why is that?  Perhaps the
     relationships developed.  But, if this body is going to all be
     working
     to grow the LP, and you said that you want the LP to be successful,
     then you'd think that EVERYONE on the LNC would have been told about
     these donation and membership arrangements that aid them. Right?
     I still can't fathom why someone would want to take personal credit
     for doing what we all should be doing.  Is these a reason why anyone
     would have a personal donation page link to the LP, and not just
     send
     them to the main donation page?  (This is a serious question, btw.
     Have you found that people are *more* likely to donate if given a
     link
     that looks like *you personally* are responsible?)
     ---
     Elizabeth Van Horn
     On 2018-03-09 14:43, Daniel Hayes wrote:

     I think that Wes has said that he will make this available to any
     LNC
     member willing to promote National Membership during state
     conventions.  That makes this opportunity available to all LNC
     members.  I think that satisfies the policy manual. Instead of
     saying
     “You can’t do that” maybe “I will do that too!” might be better.
     LNC
     members should be trying to outdo each other with memberships.
     I think every LNC member should have one of these.
     [17]www.LP.org/Daniel
     To my knowledge only Caryn Ann and I have these, because we are the
     only ones that asked. I use it at times and other times I use the
     regular link or the current promo link or the ASC link or various
     convention links or the State CRM link.  I am interested in this
     organization succeeding.  Maybe you did or maybe y’all didn’t notice
     that Louisiana National Memberships went up by close to 90% last
     year.
      Wonder how that happened....
     I could never have another day on the LNC and I still have more on
     my
     plate to do to help this Party succeed than any 3 people could.  If
     you are not in something of a similar situation, you ain’t trying.
     Let’s encourage each other to do more, not less.
     Daniel Hayes
     LNC At Large Member
     Sent from my iPad

     On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
     <[18]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
       You too Daniel?
       On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:16 PM Daniel Hayes
     <[1][19]Daniel.Hayes at lp.org>
       wrote:
            How bout some Music. This thread has the end of this song by
     Rush
            running through my head.
            [1][2][20]https://g.co/kgs/6thRik
            Daniel
            Sent from my iPad
            On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
            <[2][3][21]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
            Caryn Ann, it's not petty to take note of when an individual
     will
         be
            afforded an advantage to their internal campaign for national
         officer
            position. Nor, to note that the advantage is being given by
     an
            arrangement with the LPHQ.
            No one is stopping you from recruiting members.
            It's simple.  While you're campaigning for an internal
     officer
            position, you just shouldn't be giving away LP gifts to
     members.
            (I'm still puzzled about why you'd have been tracking the
         recruitment
            numbers, sending envelopes to LPHQ, etc.  Why were you even
     doing
         that
            method? To have a tracking system, so Wes could cite your
         numbers?  The
            more I hear, the more baffling it becomes.)
            Elizabeth Van Horn
            On 2018-03-09 13:54, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
              Elizabeth because it is.  It’s super petty.  I am not
     claiming
         it
                wouldn’t be said to someone else.  It would be petty
     there
         too.
              And it
                far pre-dates you or me.
                And recruiting members is all of our jobs.  I am not
     supposed
         to
              do my
                job - gotcha.
                I couldn’t make this stuff up.
                On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
                <[1][3][4][22]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
                  What's with the personal smears?   You wrote: "it isn't
         talking
                  about
                  petty internal jealousies and power struggles."
                  Caryn Ann, I would be writing the exact same thing for
         ANYONE
              that
                  is
                  doing internal campaigning and while simultaneously
     giving
         away
                  free-LP-gifts.
                  Are you able to step outside yourself, and look at it
     from
         the
                  position
                  of how it gives an uneven advantage to your internal
              campaigning?
                  Because, it does.  Whether you'll acknowledge that
     remains
         to be
                  seen.
                  ---
                  Elizabeth Van Horn

                  On 2018-03-09 13:37, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
     Yes Wes your memory is correct.
       And people who are personally approached and given

         what
              they
                  are

       entitled to not only saves us shipping but I find

         those
              people
                  tend

     to
       throw in an extra $25.  And some turn into recruiters

         for
              me.
                  They

     go
       grab their friends and bring them over.
       I really have a lot better things to do but I am

         spending
              time
                  on

     this
       because this is precisely one of our problems.  The

         Policy
                  Manual

     isn't
       talking about membership drives.  it isn't talking

         about
              petty

     internal
       jealousies and power struggles.  If so, let's forbid

         any
                  sitting

     member
       from running because they cannot effectively do their

         job
              out
                  of

     worry
       that their efforts might get them some credit, and

         that is
              what

       matters, not you know, growing the Party.  I say, hey

         LP.
                  Equip me

       with what you would do anyway to get members passively

         and
              I
                  will

       actively bring you 100 members. If I promise to do it

         with
              a
                  bag

     over
       my head and a voice modulator so that there is no risk

         that
                  anyone

       would ever be tempted to think well of me, would that

         help?
                  Peak

     Poe's
       Law Achieved.
       Or in a more homey fashion. I couldn't think of a

         more apt
                  example

     of
       LNC micromanagement and cutting our nose off to spite

         our
                  face.  We

       have freedom to win out there and instead we play

         internal

     whack-a-mole
       with anyone that might be sticking their head up a

         little
              bit
                  too

       high.  The only thing that would make it more

         perfectly LP
              is
                  to

     cite
       footnote 5(a)(c)(d) of RONR.  Because that's how we

         roll.

       We do those promos precisely to sign people up.
       I’ve got the CO convention in two weeks - what say the

         rest
              of
                  the

     LNC?
       Or do I inform that Board ixnay on the member signups.
       Also OH and NH?
       On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
       <[1][2][4][5][23]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
       Two states invited me to speak AND do member drives.
       Do I now tell them no lest I be the temptress of the

              shirts?

       This have gone to a ridiculous level.  Hobbling

         volunteers
              who
                  have

     a
       proven track record is not a good look for the Party.

              Can’t
                  let

     anyone
       do well, lord forbid.  Better to have the Party get

         less
                  members and

       have to pay to ship them. Yeah, that’s wise.
       No. That’s insanely disfunctional.
       This is what we should be encouraging.
       Instead (and this goes back to way before this

              conversation)
                  there

     are
       petty arguments about who might be noticed.  Because

         lord
                  forbid

       someone might be mentioned on FB for getting things

         done.

       So tell Ohio and NH that the crown has forbidden me to

         bear
              the

     tshirts
       of glory?
       Yes.  It’s petty nonsense.  It’s been going on a long

         time
              and
                  is an

     LP
       cultural issue and it needs to die in a fire.  We need

         to
              be

     empowering
       Party growth wherever and by whoever wants to do it.

         Good
              lord
                  this

     is
       ludicrous.
       On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:42 AM Wes Benedict

                  <[2][3][5][6][24]wes.benedict at lp.org>

       wrote:
         The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and

              other
                  things

     as
         membership promotions for a long time.
         For example:
         [3][4][6][7][25]https://www.lp.org/join11/
         [4][5][7][8][26]https://www.lp.org/join10/
         [5][6][8][9][27]https://www.lp.org/join9/
         If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out

         recruiting
                  members

     at
         state conventions without offering anything in

         return. As
              she
                  did

         that
         work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various

              places
                  online

         would
         start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I

              joined."

         Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes

              we'll
                  give

     you
         a
         shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a

         shirt
                  (polos

         excluded
         because they are higher cost").
         As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members

         and
                  members

         asking
         for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide

         a
              small

     supply
         of
         shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting

         memberships.

         If any other LNC members want to help recruit

              memberships,
                  let me

         know,
         and I'll send you a small supply of these two

         shirts:

     [6][7][9][10][28]https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t
     -shirt/

     [7][8][10][11][29]https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/

         These shirts are to be used for membership

         recruitment
                  purposes.

     Any
         you
         don't use should be returned to me in the future.
         Thanks,
         Wes Benedict, Executive Director
         Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
         [8]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
         [9][30](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,

              [10][9][11][12][31]wes.benedict at lp.org

     [11][10][12][13][32]facebook.com/libertarians

         @LPNational

         Join the Libertarian Party at:

                  [12][11][13][14][33]http://lp.org/membership

         On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
        There is no service.  Conversely in fact.
        (and btw though not applicable it is an

         either/or
              in
                  that

         statement)

        On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van

         Horn

     <[1][13][12][14][15][34]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>

         wrote:

          Caryn Ann, you're running for a national

         officer
                  position.

         From the

          LNC
          Policy Manual page 46:
          ------
          "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party

         Office

          Party resources shall not be used to provide

                  information

     or
         services

          for
          any candidate for party
          office unless:
          • such information or services are available

         and
                  announced

         on an

          equal
          basis to all
          Libertarians who have declared they are

         seeking
              that

     office,
         or

          • such information or services are generally

                  available and

         announced

          to
          all party
          members."
          -----
          The above language isn't "either/or", which

         would
                  indicate

         only one

          condition applies. Both conditions apply.
          ---
          Elizabeth Van Horn

          On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
     I say let’s get everyone who wants to

              recruiting.
                  I

     don’t
         see a

          line

       forming after the last offer by Wes.
       And we are insanely territorial. And I

         will
                  continue

     to
         point

          it

     out.
       I don’t appreciate its existence.
       I almost as a joke was going to ask if

         I
              needed

         permission to

          wear

     my
       Party issued name badge.  Then I

         stopped and
                  realized

         that the

     internal
       senseless politicking has reached Peak

         Poe’s
              Law
                  and

     it
         is

       indistinguishable from a parody of

         itself
              and it

     could
         go

          either

     way.
       I will be.  Lodge objections now.
       On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM

         Elizabeth
              Van
                  Horn

     <[1][2][14][13][15][16][35]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
              wrote:

         Caryn Ann, people can go to the

         website
              and
                  sign-up

         for

     membership.
         I
         have no idea what you mean by "the

              standard

         membership pitch"

          or

         standard supplies.  Nor, do I

         appreciate
              you
                  using

         terms

          like,

         "insanely
         territorial and self-destructive",

         when
              I'm
                  saying

     to
         you the

          same

         things I'd say to anyone who is

         running a
                  campaign

         for a

          national

     LP
         officer position.  We currently have

         three
                  people

         running for

     chair,
         and
         six or seven running for Vice-Chair,

         and
              two
                  that I

         know of

          who

     are
         running (maybe declared) for

         secretary.
              Gosh,
                  at

         this rate,

          more

         people
         may jump into the fray.  Are all

         these
              people
                  going

         to be

          given

     the
         same
         materials?  Some are making trips to

         a lot
              of
                  state

          conventions.

         Are those people going to be given

         the
              exact
                  same

         supplies as

          you?

         If
         the supplies are T-shirts and gifts,

         then
              do
                  they

     all
         get

          those to

         give
         to people while they campaign?  What

         if
                  they're

         signing-up

     national
         members?  As it's easier to influence

              people
                  when

         they're

          being

         given
         something.
         You yourself wrote:   "People sign up

              twice as
                  much

         when they

          get

         something in their hands on the

         spot."
              That
                  goes

     for

          campaigning

         too.
         I'm still not understanding why you

         send
                  envelopes

     to
         LPHQ

          when

         signing
         up members.  I've never heard of

         anyone
              doing
                  that.

         People I

          know

         just
         sign-up someone, and that's that.

         We're
              not

     keeping
         track or

         recording
         the numbers, as it's not a

         competition.

         Turning the tide on membership isn't

         going
              to

     happen
         with

         blitz-sign-ups
         at conventions. Daily I'm seeing

         people
                  announce

     that
         they're

         leaving
         the LP.  Some even shared with me

              information
                  on

     new

          political

     party
         they're attempting to start. (Former

         LP
                  members who

         all just

          left

         the LP
         this past year) The issue is a

         systemic
              one.
                  When I

         mention

          this

         issue,
         I get the usual reaction from the

         usual
                  people.

     So,
         I expect

          no

         different this time.
         If you wish to take up this issue at

         the
              April
                  LNC

         meeting,

          then I

         look
         forward to the discussion.
         ---
         Elizabeth Van Horn
         LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
         Secretary Libertarian Party of

         Madison Co,
                  Indiana

         Chair-LP Social Media Process Review

              Committee

         Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist

         Caucus

         [2][3][15][14][16][17][36]http://www.lpcaucus.org/

         On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos

              wrote:

     Members are entitled to a free

         shirt.

       All of us should be doing this

         and
              that

         opportunity is

     equally

       available to all.
       To say that successful

         recruiters who
                  happen

     to
         be

          running

         cannot

     use
       the standard membership pitch to

         me
              is
                  where

     we
         get

          insanely

       territorial and

         self-destructive.

       People sign up twice as much

         when
              they
                  get

         something in

          their

         hands

     on
       the spot.
       I will get 100 more members.  If

         I
              have
                  to be

         hobbled by

          not

         even

       having the standard supplies,

         well -
              we
                  aren’t

          interested in

         signing

     up
       members because we are too

         concerned
              over
                  our

          internicence

       calculations.  And if that’s the

         case
              -
                  I’m

     not
         setting

     myself
         up

     for
       failure.  If I’m going to

         recruit,
              I’m
                  going

     to
         kick

          ass.  If

         I’m

     not
       equipped for success then I’m

         going
              to
                  put my

         energy

     elsewhere
         and

     will
       deliver to Wes in April the

         remainder
              and
                  will

         not get

          the 20

         at the

     CO
       convention which is my goal.
       I would like the rest of the LNC

         to
              weigh
                  in.

       If not please consider this my

              request
                  for

         agenda time

          in

     April
         to

       settle this.
       -Caryn Ann
       -Caryn Ann
       On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM

              Elizabeth
                  Van

         Horn

     <[1][3][4][16][15][17][18][37]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:

         Caryn Ann, I think it's great

         that
              you
                  do

         membership

         recruiting.

         My concern would be if you're

              personal

         campaigning and

          also

         using

         membership supplies that are

                  gifts/freebie

         things to

          give

     to

         prospective
         recruits.  (You'd mentioned

              T-shirts,
                  in a

         past

     communication
         on

         this
         subject.)   I'm not sure what

                  membership

         supplies

          you'd

     need,
         as

         signing
         up members can just be done

         with a
                  laptop on

         the spot.

          No

         need for

         supplies.  So, if you're not

         giving
                  people

         gifts or

          freebie

         stuff,

         while
         signing-up/campaigning, then I

         see
              no
                  issue.

         ---
         Elizabeth Van Horn
         LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
         Secretary Libertarian Party of

              Madison
                  Co,

         Indiana

         Chair-LP Social Media Process

              Review

     Committee

         Vice-Chair Libertarian

         Pragmatist
                  Caucus

     [2][4][5][17][16][18][19][38]http://www.lpcaucus.org/

         On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann

              Harlos
                  wrote:

     Beginning April I will be at

         a
                  convention

         nearly

          every

         weekend,

         some of

       them I am an invited

         guest
              speaker
                  and

         other are

         campaign

         trips.

       Is there any objection to

         my
                  continuing

         my

          membership

         recruitment

       during these trips (no

         cost to
              the

     Party
         other

          than

     the

         membership

       supplies).
       --
       --
       In Liberty,
       Caryn Ann Harlos
       Region 1 Representative,

                  Libertarian

         National

     Committee

         (Alaska,

       Arizona, Colorado,

         Hawaii,
              Kansas,

         Montana, Utah,

         Wyoming,

     Washington)
       - [1]Caryn.Ann.

              [19]Harlos at LP.org

       Communications Director,

                  [2]Libertarian

         Party of

         Colorado

       Chair, LP Historical

              Preservation

         Committee

       A haiku to the Statement

         of
                  Principles:

       We defend your rights
       And oppose the use of

         force

       Taxation is theft
     References
       1.

                  mailto:[3][20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

       2.

     [4][5][6][18][17][21][20][39]http://www.lpcolorado.org/

       --
       --
       In Liberty,
       Caryn Ann Harlos
       Region 1 Representative,

         Libertarian
                  National

         Committee

         (Alaska,

       Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,

         Kansas,
                  Montana,

         Utah,

          Wyoming,

     Washington)
       - [5]Caryn.Ann.

         [22]Harlos at LP.org

       Communications Director,

              [6]Libertarian
                  Party

     of

          Colorado

       Chair, LP Historical

         Preservation
                  Committee

       A haiku to the Statement of

              Principles:

   --
   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
   - [40]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   Communications Director, [41]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
   2. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
   3. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
   4. http://facebook.com/libertarians
   5. http://lp.org/membership
   6. https://www.lp.org/renew-sg/
   7. https://www.lp.org/renew-r6/
   8. https://www.lp.org/renew-r8/
   9. https://www.lp.org/renew-r7/
  10. http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/
  11. https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
  12. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
  13. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
  14. http://facebook.com/libertarians
  15. http://lp.org/membership
  16. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
  17. http://www.LP.org/Daniel
  18. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  19. mailto:Daniel.Hayes at lp.org
  20. https://g.co/kgs/6thRik
  21. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
  22. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
  23. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
  24. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
  25. https://www.lp.org/join11/
  26. https://www.lp.org/join10/
  27. https://www.lp.org/join9/
  28. https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
  29. https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
  30. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
  31. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
  32. http://facebook.com/libertarians
  33. http://lp.org/membership
  34. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
  35. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
  36. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
  37. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
  38. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
  39. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
  40. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  41. http://www.lpcolorado.org/


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