[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 22:26:27 EST 2018
Right up my alley. Like any decent Libertarian, I am joining a local RONR
group and taking some distance learning cases. My butt will be sitting for
the exam.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org> wrote:
> Well Caryn Ann,
>
> We will have an official presence from the NAP at our convention. Get
> ready to get your RONR on.
>
> D
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 9, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Joshua.
> >
> > You must admit though we excel at finding ways to put a wet rag on
> > everything. In your first part you nailed it.
> >
> > In second part I believe we all have an implied duty to grow the party
> > within our talents. My talent is to make those damn t-shirts
> > irresistible.
> >
> > The topping on the pie would be if we could throw RONR into the mix.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:49 PM Joshua Katz
> > <[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > As usual, I'm not going to make an effort to read this entire
> > thread
> > carefully (look away from email for one day...). As is also
> > common, I
> > disagree with everyone.
> > First, on the question posed. It seems to me that people who
> > sign up
> > for memberships receive certain items - this is a decision made
> > by
> > staff, equally applicable to all (new) members, within the
> > discretion
> > the board has given to staff in the budget. How they get the
> > items
> > doesn't seem to me to be an item of concern, nor does it raise,
> > in my
> > opinion, the issues raised by paying for travel. I have no
> > objection,
> > even if the LNC member is running for a position on the next LNC
> > -
> > because my primary objection to travel costs was that the
> > transaction
> > was with an LNC member (and not available to all LNC members),
> > not the
> > potential for the LNC member to seek another position. Here we
> > have an
> > expenditure that would take place without the LNC member anyway -
> > that
> > is, the giving of an item to the new member - and so it doesn't
> > raise
> > my concerns.
> > Second, on the 'obligation' to sign up new members, which
> > everyone
> > replying to this email seems to agree exists. I have no
> > objection to
> > saying LNC members should help recruit members (although also
> > noting
> > that other LNC members do other things, such as gather thousands
> > of
> > volunteer signatures, run petition drives, etc.). But I do not
> > agree
> > that it's specially implied by serving on the LNC, at least
> > directly.
> > Boards are tasked with general oversight and governance of an
> > organization, and unless the organization's rules say otherwise,
> > there's no duty on individual members to do anything - Microsoft
> > probably doesn't expect its board members, in their individual
> > capacity, to go around encouraging people to buy Windows
> > (although it
> > certainly doesn't mind if they do, and those who do should get
> > the
> > product, and I don't think anyone would care if a board member,
> > for
> > some reason, had a small supply of CD-roms in their garage and
> > sold
> > them to customers with the money going to the company). I don't
> > see
> > anything in our rules establishing such an expectation.
> > Therefore, I
> > conclude that LNC members have the same expectation to sign up
> > new
> > members as anyone else in the party does, as well as any
> > expectation
> > any particular member takes on, but nothing more.
> > Joshua A. Katz
> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Hayes
> > <[1][2]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> > Mr, O’Donnell,
> > I agree with your point. Please sign your posts, rookie. Don’t
> > get
> > the list readers mad at you. It can be hard to tell on the
> > reflector list who made a post if it’s not signed I think.
> > Daniel Hayes
> > LNC At Large Member
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Justin O'Donnell
> > <[2][3]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> From my understanding, there isnt a matter of opportunity to
> > the
> >> members of the LNC, but rather an implied duty to grow
> > memberships,
> > and
> >> provide representation of the National Party at state
> > conventions.
> >> I have spoken with the NH state chair, and his concern in
> > hearing
> > of
> >> this debate we are having, is that He invited Ms. Harlos to
> > the
> > LPNH
> >> Convention with the specific intent to conduct her usual
> > membership
> >> drive activities.
> >> Rather than arguing about who is doing it, perhaps we should
> > be
> >> focusing on why more of us are not.
> >> I applaud the idea of the Vice Chair candidates coming
> > together to
> > do
> >> so on their own, and would love to see MORE targeted outreach
> > to
> > state
> >> party members to join national, as well as the inverse in
> > encouraging
> >> national members who are not members of their state parties
> > to
> > become
> >> so as well.
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[4]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[5]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> > - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [7]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > 2. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> > 5. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> > 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 7. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Right up my alley. Like any decent Libertarian, I am joining a local
RONR group and taking some distance learning cases. My butt will be
sitting for the exam.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <[1]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
wrote:
Well Caryn Ann,
We will have an official presence from the NAP at our convention.
Get ready to get your RONR on.
D
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 9, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you Joshua.
>
> You must admit though we excel at finding ways to put a wet rag
on
> everything. In your first part you nailed it.
>
> In second part I believe we all have an implied duty to grow the
party
> within our talents. My talent is to make those damn t-shirts
> irresistible.
>
> The topping on the pie would be if we could throw RONR into the
mix.
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:49 PM Joshua Katz
> <[1][3]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As usual, I'm not going to make an effort to read this entire
> thread
> carefully (look away from email for one day...). As is also
> common, I
> disagree with everyone.
> First, on the question posed. It seems to me that people who
> sign up
> for memberships receive certain items - this is a decision
made
> by
> staff, equally applicable to all (new) members, within the
> discretion
> the board has given to staff in the budget. How they get the
> items
> doesn't seem to me to be an item of concern, nor does it
raise,
> in my
> opinion, the issues raised by paying for travel. I have no
> objection,
> even if the LNC member is running for a position on the next
LNC
> -
> because my primary objection to travel costs was that the
> transaction
> was with an LNC member (and not available to all LNC members),
> not the
> potential for the LNC member to seek another position. Here
we
> have an
> expenditure that would take place without the LNC member
anyway -
> that
> is, the giving of an item to the new member - and so it
doesn't
> raise
> my concerns.
> Second, on the 'obligation' to sign up new members, which
> everyone
> replying to this email seems to agree exists. I have no
> objection to
> saying LNC members should help recruit members (although also
> noting
> that other LNC members do other things, such as gather
thousands
> of
> volunteer signatures, run petition drives, etc.). But I do
not
> agree
> that it's specially implied by serving on the LNC, at least
> directly.
> Boards are tasked with general oversight and governance of an
> organization, and unless the organization's rules say
otherwise,
> there's no duty on individual members to do anything -
Microsoft
> probably doesn't expect its board members, in their individual
> capacity, to go around encouraging people to buy Windows
> (although it
> certainly doesn't mind if they do, and those who do should get
> the
> product, and I don't think anyone would care if a board
member,
> for
> some reason, had a small supply of CD-roms in their garage and
> sold
> them to customers with the money going to the company). I
don't
> see
> anything in our rules establishing such an expectation.
> Therefore, I
> conclude that LNC members have the same expectation to sign up
> new
> members as anyone else in the party does, as well as any
> expectation
> any particular member takes on, but nothing more.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Hayes
> <[1][2][4]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Mr, O’Donnell,
> I agree with your point. Please sign your posts, rookie.
Don’t
> get
> the list readers mad at you. It can be hard to tell on
the
> reflector list who made a post if it’s not signed I
think.
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Justin O'Donnell
> <[2][3][5]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> From my understanding, there isnt a matter of opportunity to
> the
>> members of the LNC, but rather an implied duty to grow
> memberships,
> and
>> provide representation of the National Party at state
> conventions.
>> I have spoken with the NH state chair, and his concern in
> hearing
> of
>> this debate we are having, is that He invited Ms. Harlos to
> the
> LPNH
>> Convention with the specific intent to conduct her usual
> membership
>> drive activities.
>> Rather than arguing about who is doing it, perhaps we should
> be
>> focusing on why more of us are not.
>> I applaud the idea of the Vice Chair candidates coming
> together to
> do
>> so on their own, and would love to see MORE targeted outreach
> to
> state
>> party members to join national, as well as the inverse in
> encouraging
>> national members who are not members of their state parties
> to
> become
>> so as well.
> References
> 1. mailto:[4][6]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[5][7]justin.odonnell at lp.org
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
> - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [7]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[8]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:[9]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[10]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[11]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[12]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> 6. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 7. [14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [15]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [16]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
4. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
5. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
6. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
7. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
8. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
9. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
10. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
11. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
12. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
15. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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