[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Mar 9 22:26:27 EST 2018


Right up my alley.  Like any decent Libertarian, I am joining a local RONR
group and taking some distance learning cases.  My butt will be sitting for
the exam.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org> wrote:

> Well Caryn Ann,
>
> We will have an official presence from the NAP at our convention.  Get
> ready to get your RONR on.
>
> D
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 9, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >   Thank you Joshua.
> >
> >   You must admit though we excel at finding ways to put a wet rag on
> >   everything.  In your first part you nailed it.
> >
> >   In second part I believe we all have an implied duty to grow the party
> >   within our talents.  My talent is to make those damn t-shirts
> >   irresistible.
> >
> >   The topping on the pie would be if we could throw RONR into the mix.
> >
> >   On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:49 PM Joshua Katz
> >   <[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >        As usual, I'm not going to make an effort to read this entire
> >     thread
> >        carefully (look away from email for one day...).  As is also
> >     common, I
> >        disagree with everyone.
> >        First, on the question posed.  It seems to me that people who
> >     sign up
> >        for memberships receive certain items - this is a decision made
> >     by
> >        staff, equally applicable to all (new) members, within the
> >     discretion
> >        the board has given to staff in the budget.  How they get the
> >     items
> >        doesn't seem to me to be an item of concern, nor does it raise,
> >     in my
> >        opinion, the issues raised by paying for travel.  I have no
> >     objection,
> >        even if the LNC member is running for a position on the next LNC
> >     -
> >        because my primary objection to travel costs was that the
> >     transaction
> >        was with an LNC member (and not available to all LNC members),
> >     not the
> >        potential for the LNC member to seek another position.  Here we
> >     have an
> >        expenditure that would take place without the LNC member anyway -
> >     that
> >        is, the giving of an item to the new member - and so it doesn't
> >     raise
> >        my concerns.
> >        Second, on the 'obligation' to sign up new members, which
> >     everyone
> >        replying to this email seems to agree exists.  I have no
> >     objection to
> >        saying LNC members should help recruit members (although also
> >     noting
> >        that other LNC members do other things, such as gather thousands
> >     of
> >        volunteer signatures, run petition drives, etc.).  But I do not
> >     agree
> >        that it's specially implied by serving on the LNC, at least
> >     directly.
> >        Boards are tasked with general oversight and governance of an
> >        organization, and unless the organization's rules say otherwise,
> >        there's no duty on individual members to do anything - Microsoft
> >        probably doesn't expect its board members, in their individual
> >        capacity, to go around encouraging people to buy Windows
> >     (although it
> >        certainly doesn't mind if they do, and those who do should get
> >     the
> >        product, and I don't think anyone would care if a board member,
> >     for
> >        some reason, had a small supply of CD-roms in their garage and
> >     sold
> >        them to customers with the money going to the company).  I don't
> >     see
> >        anything in our rules establishing such an expectation.
> >     Therefore, I
> >        conclude that LNC members have the same expectation to sign up
> >     new
> >        members as anyone else in the party does, as well as any
> >     expectation
> >        any particular member takes on, but nothing more.
> >        Joshua A. Katz
> >        On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Hayes
> >     <[1][2]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
> >        wrote:
> >          Mr, O’Donnell,
> >          I agree with your point.  Please sign your posts, rookie. Don’t
> >     get
> >          the list readers mad at you.  It can be hard to tell on the
> >          reflector list who made a post if it’s not signed I think.
> >          Daniel Hayes
> >          LNC At Large Member
> >          Sent from my iPhone
> >> On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Justin O'Donnell
> >        <[2][3]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>  From my understanding, there isnt a matter of opportunity to
> >     the
> >>  members of the LNC, but rather an implied duty to grow
> >     memberships,
> >        and
> >>  provide representation of the National Party at state
> >     conventions.
> >>  I have spoken with the NH state chair, and his concern in
> >     hearing
> >        of
> >>  this debate we are having, is that He invited Ms. Harlos to
> >     the
> >        LPNH
> >>  Convention with the specific intent to conduct her usual
> >     membership
> >>  drive activities.
> >>  Rather than arguing about who is doing it, perhaps we should
> >     be
> >>  focusing on why more of us are not.
> >>  I applaud the idea of the Vice Chair candidates coming
> >     together to
> >        do
> >>  so on their own, and would love to see MORE targeted outreach
> >     to
> >        state
> >>  party members to join national, as well as the inverse in
> >        encouraging
> >>  national members who are not members of their state parties
> >     to
> >        become
> >>  so as well.
> >     References
> >        1. mailto:[4]daniel.hayes at lp.org
> >        2. mailto:[5]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >
> >   --
> >
> >   --
> >   In Liberty,
> >   Caryn Ann Harlos
> >   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> >   - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >   Communications Director, [7]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >   We defend your rights
> >   And oppose the use of force
> >   Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> >   1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> >   2. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> >   3. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >   4. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
> >   5. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >   6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >   7. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
>


-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   Right up my alley.  Like any decent Libertarian, I am joining a local
   RONR group and taking some distance learning cases.  My butt will be
   sitting for the exam.

   On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <[1]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
   wrote:

     Well Caryn Ann,
     We will have an official presence from the NAP at our convention.
     Get ready to get your RONR on.
     D
     Sent from my iPhone
     > On Mar 9, 2018, at 9:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
     <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
     >
     >   Thank you Joshua.
     >
     >   You must admit though we excel at finding ways to put a wet rag
     on
     >   everything.  In your first part you nailed it.
     >
     >   In second part I believe we all have an implied duty to grow the
     party
     >   within our talents.  My talent is to make those damn t-shirts
     >   irresistible.
     >
     >   The topping on the pie would be if we could throw RONR into the
     mix.
     >
     >   On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:49 PM Joshua Katz

   >   <[1][3]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >        As usual, I'm not going to make an effort to read this entire
   >     thread
   >        carefully (look away from email for one day...).  As is also
   >     common, I
   >        disagree with everyone.
   >        First, on the question posed.  It seems to me that people who
   >     sign up
   >        for memberships receive certain items - this is a decision
   made
   >     by
   >        staff, equally applicable to all (new) members, within the
   >     discretion
   >        the board has given to staff in the budget.  How they get the
   >     items
   >        doesn't seem to me to be an item of concern, nor does it
   raise,
   >     in my
   >        opinion, the issues raised by paying for travel.  I have no
   >     objection,
   >        even if the LNC member is running for a position on the next
   LNC
   >     -
   >        because my primary objection to travel costs was that the
   >     transaction
   >        was with an LNC member (and not available to all LNC members),
   >     not the
   >        potential for the LNC member to seek another position.  Here
   we
   >     have an
   >        expenditure that would take place without the LNC member
   anyway -
   >     that
   >        is, the giving of an item to the new member - and so it
   doesn't
   >     raise
   >        my concerns.
   >        Second, on the 'obligation' to sign up new members, which
   >     everyone
   >        replying to this email seems to agree exists.  I have no
   >     objection to
   >        saying LNC members should help recruit members (although also
   >     noting
   >        that other LNC members do other things, such as gather
   thousands
   >     of
   >        volunteer signatures, run petition drives, etc.).  But I do
   not
   >     agree
   >        that it's specially implied by serving on the LNC, at least
   >     directly.
   >        Boards are tasked with general oversight and governance of an
   >        organization, and unless the organization's rules say
   otherwise,
   >        there's no duty on individual members to do anything -
   Microsoft
   >        probably doesn't expect its board members, in their individual
   >        capacity, to go around encouraging people to buy Windows
   >     (although it
   >        certainly doesn't mind if they do, and those who do should get
   >     the
   >        product, and I don't think anyone would care if a board
   member,
   >     for
   >        some reason, had a small supply of CD-roms in their garage and
   >     sold
   >        them to customers with the money going to the company).  I
   don't
   >     see
   >        anything in our rules establishing such an expectation.
   >     Therefore, I
   >        conclude that LNC members have the same expectation to sign up
   >     new
   >        members as anyone else in the party does, as well as any
   >     expectation
   >        any particular member takes on, but nothing more.
   >        Joshua A. Katz
   >        On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Hayes

     >     <[1][2][4]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
     >        wrote:
     >          Mr, O’Donnell,
     >          I agree with your point.  Please sign your posts, rookie.
     Don’t
     >     get
     >          the list readers mad at you.  It can be hard to tell on
     the
     >          reflector list who made a post if it’s not signed I
     think.
     >          Daniel Hayes
     >          LNC At Large Member
     >          Sent from my iPhone
     >> On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Justin O'Donnell

   >        <[2][3][5]justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
   >>
   >>  From my understanding, there isnt a matter of opportunity to
   >     the
   >>  members of the LNC, but rather an implied duty to grow
   >     memberships,
   >        and
   >>  provide representation of the National Party at state
   >     conventions.
   >>  I have spoken with the NH state chair, and his concern in
   >     hearing
   >        of
   >>  this debate we are having, is that He invited Ms. Harlos to
   >     the
   >        LPNH
   >>  Convention with the specific intent to conduct her usual
   >     membership
   >>  drive activities.
   >>  Rather than arguing about who is doing it, perhaps we should
   >     be
   >>  focusing on why more of us are not.
   >>  I applaud the idea of the Vice Chair candidates coming
   >     together to
   >        do
   >>  so on their own, and would love to see MORE targeted outreach
   >     to
   >        state
   >>  party members to join national, as well as the inverse in
   >        encouraging
   >>  national members who are not members of their state parties
   >     to
   >        become
   >>  so as well.
   >     References

     >        1. mailto:[4][6]daniel.hayes at lp.org
     >        2. mailto:[5][7]justin.odonnell at lp.org
     >
     >   --
     >
     >   --
     >   In Liberty,
     >   Caryn Ann Harlos
     >   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
     >   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
     Washington)
     >   - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
     >   Communications Director, [7]Libertarian Party of Colorado
     >   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
     >   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     >   We defend your rights
     >   And oppose the use of force
     >   Taxation is theft
     >
     > References
     >
     >   1. mailto:[8]planning4liberty at gmail.com
     >   2. mailto:[9]daniel.hayes at lp.org
     >   3. mailto:[10]justin.odonnell at lp.org
     >   4. mailto:[11]daniel.hayes at lp.org
     >   5. mailto:[12]justin.odonnell at lp.org
     >   6. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     >   7. [14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/

   --
   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
   Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
   - [15]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
   Communications Director, [16]Libertarian Party of Colorado
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
   2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   3. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
   4. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
   5. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
   6. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
   7. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
   8. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
   9. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
  10. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
  11. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
  12. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
  13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
  15. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/


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