[Lnc-business] Membership Recruitment
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Mon Mar 12 14:21:22 EDT 2018
Wes, I appreciate your reply with additional options added.
I got a mobile device charger with my national LP renewal this past
year. I love it, and it has the LP logo on it! If I get people to sign
up for LP national, I'll provide them the website links, and they can
sign up, like I did. That way, if there's a "gift" they qualify for,
they can choose it. (When I renewed, there was the option of that
spiffy camo hat. ; )
Nor, do I track numbers for people I get to join the LP, as that's not
my way.
Your reply and added options may help others though, those who wish to
avail themselves of the T-shirt option. That's what my squeaky wheel is
about, it's about ensuring the same options, are there for all on this
board.
Again, thank you for the added options for those who're interested!
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-03-12 13:51, Wes Benedict wrote:
> THIS PROGRAM IS HEREBY IMPLEMENTED. UPDATED FORM FOR USE IS ATTACHED.
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> I'm trying to avoid a situation where someone would deliberately abuse
> the offer. For example, if I offered 10 shirts of inventory to anyone,
> I was thinking that might have the unintended consequence of having
> some people suddenly decide they want to run for the LNC just to get
> their hands on 10 free shirts that they might have no intention of
> using for the legitimate purpose or ever returning.
>
> For the situation you described, for someone who has only given $25 in
> the past 12 months, they could still, for example, collect 20
> memberships for shirts at a single event, but instead of having 20
> shirts to hand out on the spot, they'd have to instead have us ship
> the shirts from LPHQ to the new members.
>
> For individuals who would only qualify for only 2 shirts of inventory,
> I'd recommend 1 black long sleeve shirt size XL, and one blue shirt
> size L, (L & XL are our highest volume sellers) and you'd therefore
> have samples of both kinds.
>
> Additionally, I've now added the provision for accepting deposits for
> additional shirts, meaning if you want to give a deposit for 10 extra
> shirts, you can give $120, collect 10 memberships, and we'll refund
> the deposit. Updated version attached.
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 3/12/2018 10:01 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>> I wonder how many people will actually read the attached pdf.
>>
>> A little clause in the document: "...but at no time will the value of
>> the inventory of shirts I’ve been provided be greater than the
>> monetary donations I’ve contributed to the Libertarian National
>> Committee in the prior twelve months..."
>>
>> This would make it so LNC members who aren't donating money to LP
>> national, won't be part of the T-shirts-used-as-gifts to recruited
>> members campaign. Even at cost, of $12 per shirt, an annual LP
>> national membership would only allow two T-shirts. Hardly worth the
>> trouble, eh?
>>
>> I loathe set-ups which clearly favor one (or multiple individual(s)
>> over others, and that's what this is. A pay-to-play set-up.
>>
>> My donations, if I choose to do any, will be to LP political
>> campaigns, not LP national. Nor, will I be paying national membership
>> dues any sooner than annual, or any more than the least amount, for an
>> annual membership. That is my choice for how I handle my money.
>>
>> So, I know that the T-shirts as-gifts for recruiting new members isn't
>> intended for everyone.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>
>>
>> On 2018-03-10 15:42, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>> In a separate note, Steve Scheetz kindly offered to participate in
>>> this program. I'm replying to this particular note instead of his, in
>>> order to keep some of my historical notes on this topic easier to
>>> find.
>>>
>>> Attached is a draft of the plan in a bit more formal format for
>>> feedback. Steve and others, take a look and let me know what you
>>> think.
>>>
>>> I'll see what feedback you all have, think it over a bit, and then
>>> later decide next steps if any.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>
>>> On 3/9/2018 9:42 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>> The Libertarian Party has been offering T-shirts and other things as
>>>> membership promotions for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> For example:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.lp.org/join11/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/join10/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/join9/
>>>>
>>>> If I remember correctly Caryn Ann started out recruiting members at
>>>> state conventions without offering anything in return. As she did
>>>> that work, members who had seen T-shirt offerings various places
>>>> online would start to ask Caryn Ann "can I get a shirt since I
>>>> joined."
>>>>
>>>> Our standard response to those who ask has been "yes we'll give you
>>>> a shirt. What size do you wear?" and we ship them a shirt (polos
>>>> excluded because they are higher cost").
>>>>
>>>> As a result of Caryn Ann recruiting so many members and members
>>>> asking for shirts, quite some time ago I decided to provide a small
>>>> supply of shirts to Caryn Ann to use when promoting memberships.
>>>>
>>>> If any other LNC members want to help recruit memberships, let me
>>>> know, and I'll send you a small supply of these two shirts:
>>>> https://lpstore.org/product/long-sleeve-black-t-shirt/
>>>> https://lpstore.org/product/im-with-her-t-shirt/
>>>>
>>>> These shirts are to be used for membership recruitment purposes. Any
>>>> you don't use should be returned to me in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 3/9/2018 8:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>> There is no service. Conversely in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> (and btw though not applicable it is an either/or in that
>>>>> statement)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> <[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Caryn Ann, you're running for a national officer position.
>>>>> From the
>>>>> LNC
>>>>> Policy Manual page 46:
>>>>> ------
>>>>> "6) Limitations on Party Support for Party Office
>>>>> Party resources shall not be used to provide information or
>>>>> services
>>>>> for
>>>>> any candidate for party
>>>>> office unless:
>>>>> • such information or services are available and announced on
>>>>> an
>>>>> equal
>>>>> basis to all
>>>>> Libertarians who have declared they are seeking that office,
>>>>> or
>>>>> • such information or services are generally available and
>>>>> announced
>>>>> to
>>>>> all party
>>>>> members."
>>>>> -----
>>>>> The above language isn't "either/or", which would indicate
>>>>> only one
>>>>> condition applies. Both conditions apply.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> On 2018-03-09 01:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>> > I say let’s get everyone who wants to recruiting. I don’t
>>>>> see a
>>>>> line
>>>>> > forming after the last offer by Wes.
>>>>> > And we are insanely territorial. And I will continue to
>>>>> point
>>>>> it
>>>>> > out.
>>>>> > I don’t appreciate its existence.
>>>>> > I almost as a joke was going to ask if I needed
>>>>> permission to
>>>>> wear
>>>>> > my
>>>>> > Party issued name badge. Then I stopped and realized
>>>>> that the
>>>>> > internal
>>>>> > senseless politicking has reached Peak Poe’s Law and it
>>>>> is
>>>>> > indistinguishable from a parody of itself and it could
>>>>> go
>>>>> either
>>>>> > way.
>>>>> > I will be. Lodge objections now.
>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:02 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> > <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Caryn Ann, people can go to the website and sign-up
>>>>> for
>>>>> > membership.
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > have no idea what you mean by "the standard membership
>>>>> pitch"
>>>>> or
>>>>> > standard supplies. Nor, do I appreciate you using
>>>>> terms
>>>>> like,
>>>>> > "insanely
>>>>> > territorial and self-destructive", when I'm saying to
>>>>> you the
>>>>> same
>>>>> > things I'd say to anyone who is running a campaign for
>>>>> a
>>>>> national
>>>>> > LP
>>>>> > officer position. We currently have three people
>>>>> running for
>>>>> > chair,
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > six or seven running for Vice-Chair, and two that I
>>>>> know of
>>>>> who
>>>>> > are
>>>>> > running (maybe declared) for secretary. Gosh, at this
>>>>> rate,
>>>>> more
>>>>> > people
>>>>> > may jump into the fray. Are all these people going to
>>>>> be
>>>>> given
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > same
>>>>> > materials? Some are making trips to a lot of state
>>>>> conventions.
>>>>> > Are those people going to be given the exact same
>>>>> supplies as
>>>>> you?
>>>>> > If
>>>>> > the supplies are T-shirts and gifts, then do they all
>>>>> get
>>>>> those to
>>>>> > give
>>>>> > to people while they campaign? What if they're
>>>>> signing-up
>>>>> > national
>>>>> > members? As it's easier to influence people when
>>>>> they're
>>>>> being
>>>>> > given
>>>>> > something.
>>>>> > You yourself wrote: "People sign up twice as much
>>>>> when they
>>>>> get
>>>>> > something in their hands on the spot." That goes for
>>>>> campaigning
>>>>> > too.
>>>>> > I'm still not understanding why you send envelopes to
>>>>> LPHQ
>>>>> when
>>>>> > signing
>>>>> > up members. I've never heard of anyone doing that.
>>>>> People I
>>>>> know
>>>>> > just
>>>>> > sign-up someone, and that's that. We're not keeping
>>>>> track or
>>>>> > recording
>>>>> > the numbers, as it's not a competition.
>>>>> > Turning the tide on membership isn't going to happen
>>>>> with
>>>>> > blitz-sign-ups
>>>>> > at conventions. Daily I'm seeing people announce that
>>>>> they're
>>>>> > leaving
>>>>> > the LP. Some even shared with me information on new
>>>>> political
>>>>> > party
>>>>> > they're attempting to start. (Former LP members who
>>>>> all just
>>>>> left
>>>>> > the LP
>>>>> > this past year) The issue is a systemic one. When I
>>>>> mention
>>>>> this
>>>>> > issue,
>>>>> > I get the usual reaction from the usual people. So, I
>>>>> expect
>>>>> no
>>>>> > different this time.
>>>>> > If you wish to take up this issue at the April LNC
>>>>> meeting,
>>>>> then I
>>>>> > look
>>>>> > forward to the discussion.
>>>>> > ---
>>>>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>>> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>>> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>> > [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> > On 2018-03-09 00:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>> > > Members are entitled to a free shirt.
>>>>> > > All of us should be doing this and that
>>>>> opportunity is
>>>>> > equally
>>>>> > > available to all.
>>>>> > > To say that successful recruiters who happen to
>>>>> be
>>>>> running
>>>>> > cannot
>>>>> > > use
>>>>> > > the standard membership pitch to me is where we
>>>>> get
>>>>> insanely
>>>>> > > territorial and self-destructive.
>>>>> > > People sign up twice as much when they get
>>>>> something in
>>>>> their
>>>>> > hands
>>>>> > > on
>>>>> > > the spot.
>>>>> > > I will get 100 more members. If I have to be
>>>>> hobbled by
>>>>> not
>>>>> > even
>>>>> > > having the standard supplies, well - we aren’t
>>>>> interested in
>>>>> > signing
>>>>> > > up
>>>>> > > members because we are too concerned over our
>>>>> internicence
>>>>> > > calculations. And if that’s the case - I’m not
>>>>> setting
>>>>> > myself
>>>>> > up
>>>>> > > for
>>>>> > > failure. If I’m going to recruit, I’m going to
>>>>> kick
>>>>> ass. If
>>>>> > I’m
>>>>> > > not
>>>>> > > equipped for success then I’m going to put my
>>>>> energy
>>>>> > elsewhere
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > > will
>>>>> > > deliver to Wes in April the remainder and will
>>>>> not get
>>>>> the 20
>>>>> > at the
>>>>> > > CO
>>>>> > > convention which is my goal.
>>>>> > > I would like the rest of the LNC to weigh in.
>>>>> > > If not please consider this my request for agenda
>>>>> time
>>>>> in
>>>>> > April
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > > settle this.
>>>>> > > -Caryn Ann
>>>>> > > -Caryn Ann
>>>>> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:54 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> > > <[1][3][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Caryn Ann, I think it's great that you do
>>>>> membership
>>>>> > recruiting.
>>>>> > > My concern would be if you're personal
>>>>> campaigning and
>>>>> also
>>>>> > using
>>>>> > > membership supplies that are gifts/freebie
>>>>> things to
>>>>> give
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > > prospective
>>>>> > > recruits. (You'd mentioned T-shirts, in a past
>>>>> > communication
>>>>> > on
>>>>> > > this
>>>>> > > subject.) I'm not sure what membership
>>>>> supplies
>>>>> you'd
>>>>> > need,
>>>>> > as
>>>>> > > signing
>>>>> > > up members can just be done with a laptop on
>>>>> the spot.
>>>>> No
>>>>> > need for
>>>>> > > supplies. So, if you're not giving people
>>>>> gifts or
>>>>> freebie
>>>>> > stuff,
>>>>> > > while
>>>>> > > signing-up/campaigning, then I see no issue.
>>>>> > > ---
>>>>> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>> > > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co,
>>>>> Indiana
>>>>> > > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>>>>> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>> > > [2][4][5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> > > On 2018-03-08 23:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>> > > > Beginning April I will be at a convention
>>>>> nearly
>>>>> every
>>>>> > weekend,
>>>>> > > some of
>>>>> > > > them I am an invited guest speaker and
>>>>> other are
>>>>> > campaign
>>>>> > > trips.
>>>>> > > > Is there any objection to my continuing my
>>>>> membership
>>>>> > > recruitment
>>>>> > > > during these trips (no cost to the Party
>>>>> other
>>>>> than
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > > membership
>>>>> > > > supplies).
>>>>> > > > --
>>>>> > > > --
>>>>> > > > In Liberty,
>>>>> > > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
>>>>> National
>>>>> > Committee
>>>>> > > (Alaska,
>>>>> > > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>>> Montana, Utah,
>>>>> > Wyoming,
>>>>> > > > Washington)
>>>>> > > > - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > > > Communications Director, [2]Libertarian
>>>>> Party of
>>>>> > Colorado
>>>>> > > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>>>> Committee
>>>>> > > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> > > > We defend your rights
>>>>> > > > And oppose the use of force
>>>>> > > > Taxation is theft
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > References
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > 1. mailto:[3]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > > > 2. [4][5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > In Liberty,
>>>>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>>> Committee
>>>>> > (Alaska,
>>>>> > > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>> > > Washington)
>>>>> > > - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > > Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of
>>>>> Colorado
>>>>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> > > We defend your rights
>>>>> > > And oppose the use of force
>>>>> > > Taxation is theft
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > References
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 1. mailto:[6][7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> > > 2. [7][8]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> > > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > > 4. [9][9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> > > 5. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > > 6. [11][10]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>> > Washington)
>>>>> > - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > Communications Director, [13]Libertarian Party of
>>>>> Colorado
>>>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> > We defend your rights
>>>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>>>> > Taxation is theft
>>>>> >
>>>>> > References
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. mailto:[11]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> > 2. [12]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> > 3. mailto:[13]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> > 4. [14]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> > 5. [15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> > 6. mailto:[16]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> > 7. [17]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> > 8. mailto:[18]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > 9. [19]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> > 10. mailto:[20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > 11. [21]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> > 12. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > 13. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>> - [24]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, [25]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> 4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 8. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> 9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 11. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 12. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> 13. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 14. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> 15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 16. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>>>>> 17. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>> 18. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 19. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 20. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 21. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>> 24. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> 25. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>
>>>>
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