[Lnc-business] Publishing links to candidate articles with some platform deviations
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Mar 27 23:08:19 EDT 2018
I'm for fundraising by having a dunk tank with Daniel Hayes. We would
raise a ton.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:04 PM, Daniel Hayes <daniel.hayes at lp.org> wrote:
> I’m for deleting the whole platform and rolling the omissions plank into
> the end of the SOP. But that’s a little out of the power of the LNC.
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is how we have done it successfully. And the disclaimer can be
> > done very politely and professionally that will not embarrass the
> > candidate. I would hope that candidates would make that disclaimer
> > themselves. Just as an activist I always clearly say when I deviate
> > from an LP position or when it is unsettled (most notable example being
> > abortion).
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Joshua Katz
> > <[1]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'm clearly outnumbered, and it's situation-dependent, but
> > as a
> > general matter, I think I'd rather not do it than use a
> > disclaimer (but
> > I favor running things without the disclaimer, and if we can't do
> > that,
> > then just not running it - and, given our current system, I'm
> > happy
> > leaving that decision to the APRC and staff). There are probably
> > circumstances where I'm fine with the disclaimer, and
> > circumstances
> > where I'm less fine.
> > Joshua A. Katz
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:08 PM, <[1][2]erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
> > I am comfortable with this
> > On 2018-03-27 18:55, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
> > I favor this method. As it allows for highlighting a candidate,
> > while
> > simultaneously alerting readers that the LP platform differs
> > somewhat.
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > On 2018-03-27 15:14, Whitney Bilyeu wrote:
> > What if we just ask staff to include in the blog post a
> > disclaimer
> > of
> > sorts with any such link....acknowledging that there may be
> > specific
> > opinions held by the candidate that are not 100% our own...?
> > Whitney
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Wes Benedict
> > <[1][3][4]wes.benedict at lp.org>
> >
> > wrote:
> > Dear LNC:
> > I'm bringing this to your attention now, because it has not
> > been an
> > issue for several months, but likely will come up again soon
> > given
> > that we have lots of candidates and will be writing lots of
> > blog
> > entries about candidates this year.
> > Staff works to publish articles that comply with the LNC
> > Bylaws
> > and
> > Policy Manual. The Advertising Publications and Review
> > Committee is
> > tasked with ensuring publications comply.
> > I'd like to point out that I think Staff and the APRC have
> > had
> > a
> > pretty good working relationship for at least 3 years and
> > perhaps
> > even longer than that if I think about it. So, this is not
> > meant as
> > a complaint in general about the APRC, Staff, or the overall
> > procedures. Most things are fine in that area, in my opinion.
> > I
> > just
> > want to focus on one issue.
> > Nevertheless, it should come as no surprise that various
> > members of
> > the APRC and various staff don't always agree with each other
> > on
> > what constitutes a violation.
> > A particular area of uncertainty has been articles with
> > coverage of
> > candidates where the articles include some positions that
> > violate
> > platform.
> > I'll use public schools as a hypothetical, and the article
> > below
> > from the imaginary "Alexandria Beach Times."
> > ====start article====
> > [Sentence 1] John Doe, Libertarian candidate for Congress,
> > says
> > he
> > wants to cut taxes, cut spending, end the war on drugs, and
> > bring
> > our troops home from overseas.
> > [Sentence 2] When asked about public education, John Doe says
> > "I'd
> > like to use some of the savings from those cuts to increase
> > spending
> > on public schools."
> > ====end article====
> > I think most of the APRC and Staff would feel it's okay to
> > write a
> > blog and to quote Sentence 1 of the article above. Most of
> > the
> > APRC
> > and Staff would probably feel it's NOT okay to quote Sentence
> > 2.
> > The area of likely disagreement is whether or not we could
> > include a
> > link to the source article in our blog entry.
> > If there was an article where 50% or more of the content
> > about
> > the
> > Libertarian candidate had platform violations, probably most
> > of
> > us
> > wouldn't want to publicize it.
> > There can be a great article about one of our candidates
> > where
> > 90%
> > of the coverage is positive, but if 10% of the article
> > includes
> > a
> > platform violation, we maybe should not link to it, or maybe
> > we
> > should.
> > I used public school spending as an example above, but all
> > kinds of
> > things have come up in the past, such as opposing
> > legalization
> > of
> > hard drugs (or letting the states decide on that), the Fair
> > Tax,
> > welfare, some regulations, and so on.
> > I would like direction from the LNC on whether or not it is
> > okay to
> > publish things like blogs that links with some positions that
> > might
> > violate the platform.
> > Based on feedback, I might float a suggest amendment to the
> > Policy
> > Manual for you all to consider at the upcoming LNC meeting.
> >
> > I can work comfortabl[4]y with whichever direction the LNC
> > might go on
> > this particular issue, but I think it's an important
> > enough
> > issue
> > that has come up quite a bit in the past, that it should
> > be
> > considered by the LNC.
> > If the LNC prefers to leave the decision up to the APRC,
> > that
> > is
> > another option I'm comfortable with. In fact, I think
> > that's
> > the
> > status quo right now, however, given recent changes in the
> > APRC, I
> > could not tell you how they'd rule on the above issue.
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> > Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> > [2]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> > [3][5][5](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> > [4][6][6]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > [5][7][7]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> > Join the Libertarian Party at:
> > [6][8][8]http://lp.org/membership
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[9][9]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 2.
> > [10][10]https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St.,+Alexandria,+
> > VA+223
> > 14&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 3. tel:[11][11](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 4. mailto:[12][12]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 5. [13][13]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 6. [14][14]http://lp.org/membership
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[15]erin.adams at lp.org
> > 2. [16]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 3. mailto:[17]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 4. [18]https://maps.google.com/?q=y+with+whichever+direction+the+
> > LNC+&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 5. tel:[19](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 6. mailto:[20]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 7. [21]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 8. [22]http://lp.org/membership
> > 9. mailto:[23]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 10. [24]https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
> > 11. tel:[25](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 12. mailto:[26]wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 13. [27]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 14. [28]http://lp.org/membership
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> > - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, [30]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
> > 2. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
> > 3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 4. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 5. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 6. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 7. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 8. http://lp.org/membership
> > 9. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 10. https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
> > 11. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 12. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 13. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 14. http://lp.org/membership
> > 15. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
> > 16. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 17. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 18. https://maps.google.com/?q=y+with+whichever+direction+the+
> LNC+&entry=gmail&source=g
> > 19. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 20. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 21. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 22. http://lp.org/membership
> > 23. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 24. https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
> > 25. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> > 26. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
> > 27. http://facebook.com/libertarians
> > 28. http://lp.org/membership
> > 29. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 30. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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I'm for fundraising by having a dunk tank with Daniel Hayes. We would
raise a ton.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:04 PM, Daniel Hayes <[1]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
wrote:
I’m for deleting the whole platform and rolling the omissions plank
into the end of the SOP. But that’s a little out of the power of the
LNC.
Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> This is how we have done it successfully. And the disclaimer
can be
> done very politely and professionally that will not embarrass
the
> candidate. I would hope that candidates would make that
disclaimer
> themselves. Just as an activist I always clearly say when I
deviate
> from an LP position or when it is unsettled (most notable
example being
> abortion).
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Joshua Katz
> <[1][3]planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I'm clearly outnumbered, and it's
situation-dependent, but
> as a
> general matter, I think I'd rather not do it than use a
> disclaimer (but
> I favor running things without the disclaimer, and if we
can't do
> that,
> then just not running it - and, given our current system,
I'm
> happy
> leaving that decision to the APRC and staff). There are
probably
> circumstances where I'm fine with the disclaimer, and
> circumstances
> where I'm less fine.
> Joshua A. Katz
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:08 PM,
<[1][2][4]erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
> I am comfortable with this
> On 2018-03-27 18:55, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
> I favor this method. As it allows for highlighting a
candidate,
> while
> simultaneously alerting readers that the LP platform
differs
> somewhat.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> [2][3][5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> On 2018-03-27 15:14, Whitney Bilyeu wrote:
> What if we just ask staff to include in the blog post a
> disclaimer
> of
> sorts with any such link....acknowledging that there
may be
> specific
> opinions held by the candidate that are not 100% our
own...?
> Whitney
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Wes Benedict
> <[1][3][4][6]wes.benedict at lp.org>
>
> wrote:
> Dear LNC:
> I'm bringing this to your attention now, because it has
not
> been an
> issue for several months, but likely will come up again
soon
> given
> that we have lots of candidates and will be writing lots
of
> blog
> entries about candidates this year.
> Staff works to publish articles that comply with the LNC
> Bylaws
> and
> Policy Manual. The Advertising Publications and Review
> Committee is
> tasked with ensuring publications comply.
> I'd like to point out that I think Staff and the APRC
have
> had
> a
> pretty good working relationship for at least 3 years and
> perhaps
> even longer than that if I think about it. So, this is
not
> meant as
> a complaint in general about the APRC, Staff, or the
overall
> procedures. Most things are fine in that area, in my
opinion.
> I
> just
> want to focus on one issue.
> Nevertheless, it should come as no surprise that various
> members of
> the APRC and various staff don't always agree with each
other
> on
> what constitutes a violation.
> A particular area of uncertainty has been articles with
> coverage of
> candidates where the articles include some positions that
> violate
> platform.
> I'll use public schools as a hypothetical, and the
article
> below
> from the imaginary "Alexandria Beach Times."
> ====start article====
> [Sentence 1] John Doe, Libertarian candidate for
Congress,
> says
> he
> wants to cut taxes, cut spending, end the war on drugs,
and
> bring
> our troops home from overseas.
> [Sentence 2] When asked about public education, John Doe
says
> "I'd
> like to use some of the savings from those cuts to
increase
> spending
> on public schools."
> ====end article====
> I think most of the APRC and Staff would feel it's okay
to
> write a
> blog and to quote Sentence 1 of the article above. Most
of
> the
> APRC
> and Staff would probably feel it's NOT okay to quote
Sentence
> 2.
> The area of likely disagreement is whether or not we
could
> include a
> link to the source article in our blog entry.
> If there was an article where 50% or more of the content
> about
> the
> Libertarian candidate had platform violations, probably
most
> of
> us
> wouldn't want to publicize it.
> There can be a great article about one of our candidates
> where
> 90%
> of the coverage is positive, but if 10% of the article
> includes
> a
> platform violation, we maybe should not link to it, or
maybe
> we
> should.
> I used public school spending as an example above, but
all
> kinds of
> things have come up in the past, such as opposing
> legalization
> of
> hard drugs (or letting the states decide on that), the
Fair
> Tax,
> welfare, some regulations, and so on.
> I would like direction from the LNC on whether or not it
is
> okay to
> publish things like blogs that links with some positions
that
> might
> violate the platform.
> Based on feedback, I might float a suggest amendment to
the
> Policy
> Manual for you all to consider at the upcoming LNC
meeting.
>
> I can work comfortabl[4]y with whichever direction the
LNC
> might go on
> this particular issue, but I think it's an important
> enough
> issue
> that has come up quite a bit in the past, that it
should
> be
> considered by the LNC.
> If the LNC prefers to leave the decision up to the
APRC,
> that
> is
> another option I'm comfortable with. In fact, I think
> that's
> the
> status quo right now, however, given recent changes in
the
> APRC, I
> could not tell you how they'd rule on the above issue.
> Thanks,
> --
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> [2]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> [3][5][5][7](202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> [4][6][6][8]wes.benedict at lp.org
> [5][7][7][9]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:
> [6][8][8][10]http://lp.org/membership
> References
> 1. mailto:[9][9][11]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 2.
> [10][10][12]https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St.,+
Alexandria,+
> VA+223
> 14&entry=gmail&source=g
> 3. tel:[11][11][13](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 4. mailto:[12][12][14]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 5. [13][13][15]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 6. [14][14][16]http://lp.org/membership
> References
> 1. mailto:[15][17]erin.adams at lp.org
> 2. [16][18]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 3. mailto:[17][19]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 4. [18][20]https://maps.google.com/?
q=y+with+whichever+direction+the+
> LNC+&entry=gmail&source=g
> 5. tel:[19][21](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 6. mailto:[20][22]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 7. [21][23]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 8. [22][24]http://lp.org/membership
> 9. mailto:[23][25]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 10. [24][26]https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
> 11. tel:[25][27](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 12. mailto:[26][28]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 13. [27][29]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 14. [28][30]http://lp.org/membership
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
> - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [30]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[31]planning4liberty at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:[32]erin.adams at lp.org
> 3. [33]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 4. mailto:[34]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 5. tel:[35](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 6. mailto:[36]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 7. [37]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 8. [38]http://lp.org/membership
> 9. mailto:[39]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 10. [40]https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
> 11. tel:[41](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 12. mailto:[42]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 13. [43]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 14. [44]http://lp.org/membership
> 15. mailto:[45]erin.adams at lp.org
> 16. [46]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 17. mailto:[47]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 18. [48]https://maps.google.com/?q=y+
with+whichever+direction+the+LNC+&entry=gmail&source=g
> 19. tel:[49](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 20. mailto:[50]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 21. [51]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 22. [52]http://lp.org/membership
> 23. mailto:[53]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 24. [54]https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
> 25. tel:[55](202) 333-0008 ext. 232
> 26. mailto:[56]wes.benedict at lp.org
> 27. [57]http://facebook.com/libertarians
> 28. [58]http://lp.org/membership
> 29. mailto:[59]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 30. [60]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [61]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [62]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
4. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
6. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
7. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
8. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
9. http://facebook.com/libertarians
10. http://lp.org/membership
11. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
12. https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
13. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
14. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
15. http://facebook.com/libertarians
16. http://lp.org/membership
17. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
18. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
19. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
20. https://maps.google.com/?q=y+with+whichever+direction+the+
21. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
22. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
23. http://facebook.com/libertarians
24. http://lp.org/membership
25. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
26. https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
27. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
28. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
29. http://facebook.com/libertarians
30. http://lp.org/membership
31. mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com
32. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
33. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
34. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
35. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
36. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
37. http://facebook.com/libertarians
38. http://lp.org/membership
39. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
40. https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
41. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
42. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
43. http://facebook.com/libertarians
44. http://lp.org/membership
45. mailto:erin.adams at lp.org
46. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
47. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
48. https://maps.google.com/?q=y+with+whichever+direction+the+LNC+&entry=gmail&source=g
49. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
50. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
51. http://facebook.com/libertarians
52. http://lp.org/membership
53. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
54. https://maps.google.com/?q=1444+Duke+St
55. tel:(202) 333-0008 ext. 232
56. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
57. http://facebook.com/libertarians
58. http://lp.org/membership
59. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
60. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
61. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
62. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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