[Lnc-business] Fwd: Ohio petition too slow. Help! Get paid $2.50 each!
Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt)
alex.merced at lp.org
Tue Apr 10 17:07:39 EDT 2018
I have mixed feelings
My feelings against:
Many people do give up a lot of time of their own volition without asking for anything in return and we don’t want to set a precedent that may make those close to the party feel they should always be compensated and hold out until doing so. Paying for signatures should be on a if needed basis, and paying party members should be If on a much greater need basis. (I rather reward party members but you can accidentally build an expectation that’s impossible to walk back)
My feelings for:
If time is limited you got to do what you need with the people best suited for the job. Not all members are equally financially able to give up as much of their time as others and if some financial assistance can get people with the right knowledge and passion to work to the party benefit that is not a bad thing. Members paid for petitioning are more likely to use that money for libertarian causes maximizing the use of those dollars.
My final thoughts:
- Ballot access should always be top priority and if this is the best way to make sure Ohio achieves ballot access we should probably allow this.
- We should also be careful to prevent a precedent that could hurt our volunteer levels in future ballot drives by creating some ground rules for members being compensated.
Example: An LNC member must meet certain volunteer requirements before consideration for compensation (a certain numbers of volunteer hours or signatures collected).
These are my thoughts, take them as you will.
Alex Merced
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> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:42 PM, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
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> I am not Okay with paying LNC members to do the work of LNC members. This is our JOB! I am fine with reimbursing expenses if travel were involved, but this? Not even a little bit.
>
> In Liberty,
> Erin Adams
> Region 7 Alternate
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>> On 2018-04-10 14:44, Wes Benedict wrote:
>> Dear LNC: I have a question related to LN Alternate Dustin Nanna of Ohio.
>> I have received very little response to my call for petitioners to
>> help in Ohio. I have a couple more emails to follow up on, but have to
>> put the chances of those follow-ups leading to hires of around 5%
>> each.
>> Hiring complete strangers from afar can be quite tough. Managing and
>> training new people from afar is also quite tough.
>> Therefore, I'd like to focus more on hiring LPO members.
>> And, in particular, I'd like to contract with Dustin Nanna to collect
>> some signatures, with the same deal I'm offering to others.
>> Dustin Nanna is an LNC Alternate and an LPO officer. Because of that,
>> I want to see if there is opposition to hiring him before I sign a
>> contract with him. Dustin has a day job so this would be very
>> part-time.
>> The advantage of getting Dustin to petition is that he already knows
>> the Ohio rules. And maybe . . . . must maybe . . . . if I get Dustin
>> on a contract and he delivers a few dozen signature, then I can tell
>> other LPO members as I try to hire them.
>> In general, I prefer not to hire LNC members. But, at this point, I'd
>> like to hire Dustin in Ohio. For that matter, I'd be happy to hire any
>> LNC member willing, or any candidate for LNC, subject to the terms
>> below, etc.
>> If my memory is correct (I've not researched notes in detail), I
>> believe in the past form LNC member Diana Visek of Illinois was paid
>> to collect signatures in Illinois, and former LNC member Paul Frankel
>> was paid for signature collection in places while on the LNC.
>> Is there opposition to hiring Dustin to collect some signatures in
>> Ohio (with the hope that inspires some other folks)?
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>> On 4/5/2018 4:33 PM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>> I forgot the LNC-business email group doesn't allow embedded formatting. So, I'm attaching the note as a PDF and the graph separately as an attachment as well. Thanks again, --Wes
>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>> On 4/5/2018 4:29 PM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>> Dear LNC, plus a few state leaders:
>>>> Just fyi, the email below went to Ohio contacts today. It's also posted
>>>> on the blog here:
>>>> [1]https://www.lp.org/ohio-petition-slow-help-get-paid-2-50/
>>>> It's too soon for Widespread Panic, but brace yourselves for possible
>>>> similar messages in the near future related to Tennessee, Illinois, New
>>>> York, and Virginia. The state-wide Alabama drive was cancelled over a
>>>> month ago due to lack of matching resources by the state party, and
>>>> that's even with Paul Frankel offering $25,000 and Michael Chastain
>>>> offering another $20,000 to help what would have been the LP Alabama
>>>> portion of the drive. The LPA was unable to raise the additional
>>>> $15,000, which can be a tall order for a relatively small state.
>>>> Kudos again to LP Arkansas for finishing its petition drive in 2017
>>>> early and under budget.
>>>> Mega kudos to [2]Bill Gelineau, candidate for Governor in Michigan, for
>>>> getting his 21,187 signature petition drive done with no help from the
>>>> national LP.
>>>> --Wes
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject: Ohio petition too slow. Help! Get paid $2.50 each!
>>>> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 15:00:41 -0400
>>>> From: Wes Benedict [3]<wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>> Reply-To: [4]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> To: [5]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> Ohio petition too slow. Help!
>>>> Get paid $2.50 each!
>>>> I'll pay you $2.50 per signature for each signature you collect for the
>>>> LP Ohio petition drive, subject to the terms below.
>>>> I need your help! See the graph below. We have to speed up right away!
>>>> We had hoped to finish this petition drive in December 2017, but it
>>>> just keeps dragging on and on. We need to finish this statewide
>>>> petition drive so that candidates can finally get started on their own
>>>> petition drives — and then start campaigning!
>>>> We started the ballot access petition drive in Ohio in January 2017.
>>>> Fifteen months later, we’ve collected about 85,000 signatures, but need
>>>> more than 100,000 to be safe. The national LP expects to spend $140,000
>>>> total. The Ohio LP is spending more than $50,000 as well.
>>>> The graph below represents the portion of the petition drive paid for
>>>> by the national Libertarian Party (LP Ohio has additional signatures).
>>>> [6]LNC Paid Portion of LP Ohio Petition Drive - April 2018
>>>> A lot of our paid petitioners have been lured away to other states,
>>>> mostly for petition drives that aren't related to the Libertarian
>>>> Party.
>>>> I can't find enough people to hire. That's why I want to hire you.
>>>> I'll hire almost anyone, from candidates for governor to candidates for
>>>> city council, to board members of LP Ohio, to members of LP Ohio, to
>>>> people interested in helping Libertarians whether living inside or
>>>> outside Ohio, to non-registered voters, subject to the terms below
>>>> (terms subject to change without notice).
>>>> You must sign the contract I'll provide to you, which will constitute
>>>> the entire agreement, and get that contract countersigned by me before
>>>> starting and being eligible to collect signatures for pay. Additional
>>>> terms likely to be in the contract:
>>>> 1. You must collect at least 100 signatures per week.
>>>> 2. You will get paid $2.50 per signature collected, subject to pay
>>>> reductions for validity lower than 75 percent.
>>>> 3. No expenses will be covered; for example, you will not be
>>>> reimbursed for any lodging, travel, miles on your car, meals, gas,
>>>> petition forms, supplies, etc. That's why we are specifically
>>>> trying to hire Ohio residents.
>>>> 4. You'll have to mail the signatures to me by FedEx, UPS, or USPS
>>>> Priority Mail, at your own expense, on a weekly basis. Overnight
>>>> shipping isn't necessary. You can use the cheapest option that
>>>> includes tracking.
>>>> [7]Click here to find out more of the background on the LPO petition
>>>> drive, plus some of the rules and forms.
>>>> Many LP Ohio members pledged to volunteer for the petition drive, and
>>>> we still need lots of people to help as volunteers.
>>>> [8]Send me a note if you want to volunteer.
>>>> What I really really really want, though, is two or three hard workers
>>>> to pay. Adding two or three hard workers who will work hard on this and
>>>> get 500 signatures per week ($1,250 per week) would be ideal and would
>>>> get the job done.
>>>> [9]Send a note to me at wes.benedict at lp.org to get started, or call
>>>> (202) 333-0008 x232 (and leave a message).
>>>> [10]Click here to donate for ballot access.
>>>> I need your help today!
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Wes Benedict
>>>> Wes Benedict
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> (202) 333-0008 x232
>>>> [11]wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> ###
>>>> [12]View this announcement at LP.org
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>>>> LIBERTARIAN National Committee, Inc. (LNC)
>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, Virginia 22314
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>>>> References
>>>> Visible links
>>>> 1. https://www.lp.org/ohio-petition-slow-help-get-paid-2-50/
>>>> 2. https://liberty4gov.org/
>>>> 3. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> 5. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> 6. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https://www.lp.org/ohio-petition-slow-help-get-paid-2-50/
>>>> 7. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https://www.lpo.org/let_s_get_the_lp_back_on_the_ballot
>>>> 8. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> 9. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> 10. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https://www.lp.org/2018ballotaccess/
>>>> 11. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> 12. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https://www.lp.org/ohio-petition-slow-help-get-paid-2-50/
>>>> 13. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https://www.lp.org/
>>>> 14. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=http://lp.org
>>>> 15. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=http://www.facebook.com/libertarians/
>>>> 16. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=http://twitter.com/lpnational
>>>> 17. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https://lpstore.org
>>>> 18. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https://lpaction.org/
>>>> 19. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=http://lpedia.org
>>>> Hidden links:
>>>> 21. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lp.org%2F
>>>> 22. http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=59142716&msgid=616925&act=41BX&c=1115108&destination=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lp.org%2Fdonate%2F
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