[Lnc-business] Fwd: Ohio petition too slow. Help! Get paid$2.50 each!

[Daniel Hayes]

Sounds like an income tax return.  The Government takes the money and gives the money back.  Some people get all excited because they get this money.  The reality is that the money never should have let the originals hands in the first place.

 Expecting a leader of a State Party to take responsibility for their State Party ballot access isn’t a punishment.  They should be volunteering.  It is an expectation.  

Wes has identified that Dustin has a small amount of time to do this while he isn’t working.  Elizabeth has pointed out that Dustin intends to give the money back.
That all sounds to me like Dustin has a small amount of time to volunteer to the cause of ballot access petitioning.  

This is being portrayed as Dustin is going to get paid to do ballot access in order to show other people that they can get paid for doing this too. He said he would do it for free but no one else is doing it.  That brings the question up of why he hasn’t already been doing it on a volunteer basis with this time he now seems to have.  How about he show others that they can volunteer their time to get ballot access for themselves in LPO.

I said LPO didn’t live up to their commitments.  Dustin then points out that he didn’t make those promises.  By becoming LPO leadership he accepted those promises otherwise the “help” should have been refused. Where are the people that came and pitched the LNC on this?  Also, apparently we seem to be “forcing” this money on LPO.   IF LPO doesn’t want to work for ballot access and doesn’t want our help getting ballot access, why are we forcing it on them? 

Through this whole thing I hear a lack of  responsibility.

 It’s been below freezing in April. Of course petitioning is slow.  It’s 36 degrees right now as I type this in Cleveland.  

Speaking as a significant donor from a state with awesome ballot access,  this makes me not want to donate anymore. I see a bunch of people that don’t really care about their own ballot access.  I see a member of the ballot access committee being set to be paid.  It’s bad optics.   That might not be the case.  That is the optic being viewed from my end.



Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member


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> On Apr 11, 2018, at 12:57 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> 
> I think if everyone would take time to read Dustin's emails closely, they'll see that he's said (said twice) that he plans to give the money back to the LP.
> 
> So, yes, he wants to be able to do the contract, but he also plans to return the money.  He's wanting to do the contract as an example for other LPOH people to see what they could be doing.
> 
> (Just replying to you Justin, as the last person I see on this topic, but this is for everyone.)
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> 
> 
>> On 2018-04-11 01:13, Justin O'Donnell wrote:
>> I’m torn on this issue.
>>   I’m inclined to agree with Mr Hayes, that leading these efforts, not
>>   just participating in them, is something we should expect from those in
>>   party leadership, and it is something each of us should be willing to
>>   do without being paid unquestioningly, and many of us have.
>>   On the other hand, I have been a paid petitioner myself in the past,
>>   and understand the desire of those doing the work to be compensated for
>>   their time.
>>   Is there not a way where we could highlight the fact that Dustin, as a
>>   member of the LNC and an officer of the LPO is taking to the ground
>>   himself to lead the effort, to perhaps drum up more press and
>>   volunteers locally, while increasing the reach of the advertising
>>   calling for more paid petitioners?
>>   Justin O’Donnell
>>   LNC Region 8 Representative
>>   Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>>   From: [2]Caryn Ann Harlos
>>   Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:46 AM
>>   To: [3]Libertarian National Committee list
>>   Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Ohio petition too slow. Help! Get
>>   paid$2.50 each!
>>   We are punishing Dustin for the failures of a past board because he is
>>   on
>>   the present board?  This is something we are going to pay for - but we
>>   won't because???  I volunteer for things too and sacrifice time but it
>>   isn't like.... oh going and being the office manager when we were
>>   hiring an
>>   office manager.  (analogy doesn't walk on all fours I realize)
>>   Can this be on the agenda?
>>   On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>>   wrote:
>>   >    I WOULD do this without pay but no one else is doing it FOR pay.
>>   The
>>   >    LPO never even asked for this last round of money. In fact I was
>>   upset
>>   >    that it was allocated at first. The agreement mentioned made in
>>   2017
>>   >    was long before I was an officer in Ohio. We paid Constitution
>>   Party
>>   >    members and several non libertarians with LNC funds before me. If
>>   the
>>   >    LNC likes hiring non Ls over Ls that's cool, just don't expect
>>   that
>>   >    money to come back into the party.
>>   >    Dustin Nanna
>>   >    LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>   >    Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>>   >    Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>   >    (740) 816-9805
>>   >
>>   --
>>   --
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>>   *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>   Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>   Arizona,
>>   Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>   Caryn.Ann.
>>   Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>   Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>   <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
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