[Lnc-business] Suspension motion; Adam Mayer
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Apr 12 10:52:54 EDT 2018
My condolences as well.
In reference to the other matter, there are solid good faith positions all
around in this very difficult manner. Many of us asked Mr. Vohra to resign
which is far preferable, and I renew that request here.
I would like to bring to your attention that there was an additional MeWe
post on the same issue which raises the same very troubling issues in which
Mr. Vohra stated that if he thought it would be effective that *he would
have shot up a school board already.* So..... is that not advocating the
initiation of force if it could be proven to work?
Here is the exact post - what Mr. Vohra gives with one hand, he takes away
with another. That is precisely the problem.
===
A few have, interestingly, asked why I don’t support violence against the
government. After all, given how much I hate the government, why wouldn’t I
want to see it shot up a bit?
Here’s an analogy. Suppose you wanted to destroy a church. If you just bomb
the church, the adherents of the religion would just create a new one. To
truly destroy a church, you need to destroy the religion.
Religions are ideas, and are destroyed by ideas. Belief in the welfare
state, especially government schools, is an idea. It will be defeated by
ideas, not by guns.
Listen, if I thought shooting up a school board would end the welfare
state, or even just government schools, I would have already done it. My
life is not so precious that it’s worth destroying the minds of tens of
millions of American kids a year. But such an action would be futile.
We don’t need to kill individuals or blow up buildings. We need to destroy
the ideology that creates those institutions.
We need to destroy the belief in the welfare state, especially government
schools. And while that requires a certain verbal aggressiveness, it
doesn’t benefit from violence.====
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Starchild <starchild at lp.org> wrote:
>
> My condolences to the Mayer family on their loss, and my thanks
> for their efforts on behalf of freedom and the LP.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:02 AM, James Lark wrote:
>
> > Dear colleagues:
> > I hope all is well with you. I am writing to provide some
> > information about a couple of matters.
> > 1) In a separate message I shall send my vote on the motion to suspend
> > Arvin Vohra. While I believe several of Mr. Vohra's actions are
> > reflective of poor judgment, I am not convinced that the recent MeWe
> > post in question or his previous statements constitute a violation of
> > the certification (also referred to as the "membership pledge"). In
> > particular, I believe that the post in question was an attempt at humor
> > (albeit an attempt that failed badly), and I accept his statements that
> > he does not advocate violence against the state. (I have some
> > additional concerns about the wording of the motion, which I shall
> > discuss if the need arises.)
> > On Mar. 31, I sent a message to Mr. Vohra about the MeWe post. I
> > stated my belief that the intentional posting of the message in such a
> > place suggested questionable judgment, and perhaps an indifference to
> > the negative effect such posts may have on the LP, especially with
> > respect to some of our affiliate organizations. I also requested that
> > he resign from the LNC, preferably with immediate effect.
> > For whatever it is worth, this is one of the most difficult votes I
> > have cast during my service as an LNC member. I am concerned that some
> > of Mr. Vohra's statements have caused damage to the LP, and may cause
> > damage in the future. Thus, I understand very well why the motion is
> > supported by many people whose character and judgment I greatly
> > respect. I am also concerned that passage of the motion may cause as
> > many problems over the long term as it may alleviate. In most cases
> > when I have such uncertainty concerning a motion, I abstain. However,
> > in this case, since an abstention functions as a "nay" vote, I believe
> > it is appropriate to vote "nay."
> > 2) A few days ago I received word that Adam Mayer, former chair of the
> > Libertarian Party of Oregon, had passed away. Mr. Mayer and his wife
> > Christiana were stalwarts of the Libertarian Party of Oregon for many
> > years. On a personal note, they were extremely kind and hospitable to
> > me when I had the honor of addressing the LP Oregon conventions in 2005
> > and 2007. I hope you will join me in offering condolences to the Mayer
> > family on their loss, and in offering thanks for their work for
> > liberty.
> > As always, thanks for your work for liberty. I look forward to
> > seeing you soon.
> > Take care,
> > Jim
> > James W. Lark, III
> > Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
> > Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering and Society
> > Affiliated Faculty, Dept. of Statistics
> > University of Virginia
> > Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
> > University of Virginia
> > Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > -----
> > Motion (contained in e-mail ballot 2018-05) concerning Arvin Vohra:
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of force as its
> > cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify that they
> > neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve political or
> > social goals.
> > RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends Arvin Vohra
> > from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated unacceptable
> > conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party into
> > disrepute, including making and defending a statement advocating lethal
> > violence against state employees who are not directly threatening
> > imminent physical harm. Such action is in violation of our membership
> > pledge. These actions further endanger the survival of our movement and
> > the security of all of our members without their consent.
> > -----
> > -----
> > From [1]https://www.lp.org/membership/:
> > * Certify Your Membership*
> > + [ ] YES, sign me up as a member of the Libertarian Party. To
> > validate my membership, I certify that I oppose the initiation
> > of force to achieve political or social goals.
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. https://www.lp.org/membership/
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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My condolences as well.
In reference to the other matter, there are solid good faith positions
all around in this very difficult manner. Many of us asked Mr. Vohra
to resign which is far preferable, and I renew that request here.
I would like to bring to your attention that there was an additional
MeWe post on the same issue which raises the same very troubling issues
in which Mr. Vohra stated that if he thought it would be effective that
he would have shot up a school board already. So..... is that not
advocating the initiation of force if it could be proven to work?
Here is the exact post - what Mr. Vohra gives with one hand, he takes
away with another. That is precisely the problem.
===
A few have, interestingly, asked why I don’t support violence against
the government. After all, given how much I hate the government, why
wouldn’t I want to see it shot up a bit?
Here’s an analogy. Suppose you wanted to destroy a church. If you just
bomb the church, the adherents of the religion would just create a new
one. To truly destroy a church, you need to destroy the religion.
Religions are ideas, and are destroyed by ideas. Belief in the welfare
state, especially government schools, is an idea. It will be defeated
by ideas, not by guns.
Listen, if I thought shooting up a school board would end the welfare
state, or even just government schools, I would have already done it.
My life is not so precious that it’s worth destroying the minds of tens
of millions of American kids a year. But such an action would be
futile.
We don’t need to kill individuals or blow up buildings. We need to
destroy the ideology that creates those institutions.
We need to destroy the belief in the welfare state, especially
government schools. And while that requires a certain verbal
aggressiveness, it doesn’t benefit from violence.====
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Starchild <[1]starchild at lp.org> wrote:
My condolences to the Mayer family on their loss, and my
thanks for their efforts on behalf of freedom and the LP.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[2]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF
On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:02 AM, James Lark wrote:
> Dear colleagues:
> I hope all is well with you. I am writing to provide some
> information about a couple of matters.
> 1) In a separate message I shall send my vote on the motion to
suspend
> Arvin Vohra. While I believe several of Mr. Vohra's actions are
> reflective of poor judgment, I am not convinced that the recent
MeWe
> post in question or his previous statements constitute a violation
of
> the certification (also referred to as the "membership pledge").
In
> particular, I believe that the post in question was an attempt at
humor
> (albeit an attempt that failed badly), and I accept his statements
that
> he does not advocate violence against the state. (I have some
> additional concerns about the wording of the motion, which I shall
> discuss if the need arises.)
> On Mar. 31, I sent a message to Mr. Vohra about the MeWe post.
I
> stated my belief that the intentional posting of the message in
such a
> place suggested questionable judgment, and perhaps an indifference
to
> the negative effect such posts may have on the LP, especially with
> respect to some of our affiliate organizations. I also requested
that
> he resign from the LNC, preferably with immediate effect.
> For whatever it is worth, this is one of the most difficult
votes I
> have cast during my service as an LNC member. I am concerned that
some
> of Mr. Vohra's statements have caused damage to the LP, and may
cause
> damage in the future. Thus, I understand very well why the motion
is
> supported by many people whose character and judgment I greatly
> respect. I am also concerned that passage of the motion may cause
as
> many problems over the long term as it may alleviate. In most
cases
> when I have such uncertainty concerning a motion, I abstain.
However,
> in this case, since an abstention functions as a "nay" vote, I
believe
> it is appropriate to vote "nay."
> 2) A few days ago I received word that Adam Mayer, former chair of
the
> Libertarian Party of Oregon, had passed away. Mr. Mayer and his
wife
> Christiana were stalwarts of the Libertarian Party of Oregon for
many
> years. On a personal note, they were extremely kind and hospitable
to
> me when I had the honor of addressing the LP Oregon conventions in
2005
> and 2007. I hope you will join me in offering condolences to the
Mayer
> family on their loss, and in offering thanks for their work for
> liberty.
> As always, thanks for your work for liberty. I look forward to
> seeing you soon.
> Take care,
> Jim
> James W. Lark, III
> Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
> Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering and Society
> Affiliated Faculty, Dept. of Statistics
> University of Virginia
> Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
> University of Virginia
> Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> -----
> Motion (contained in e-mail ballot 2018-05) concerning Arvin Vohra:
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of force as
its
> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify that
they
> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve political
or
> social goals.
> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends Arvin
Vohra
> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
unacceptable
> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party into
> disrepute, including making and defending a statement advocating
lethal
> violence against state employees who are not directly threatening
> imminent physical harm. Such action is in violation of our
membership
> pledge. These actions further endanger the survival of our movement
and
> the security of all of our members without their consent.
> -----
> -----
> From [1][3]https://www.lp.org/membership/:
> * Certify Your Membership*
> + [ ] YES, sign me up as a member of the Libertarian Party.
To
> validate my membership, I certify that I oppose the
initiation
> of force to achieve political or social goals.
>
> References
>
> 1. [4]https://www.lp.org/membership/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:starchild at lp.org
2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
3. https://www.lp.org/membership/
4. https://www.lp.org/membership/
5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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