[Lnc-business] Suspension motion; Adam Mayer
William Redpath
william.redpath at lp.org
Thu Apr 12 11:22:17 EDT 2018
I also ask Mr. Vohra to resign immediately. Bill Redpath
On 2018-04-12 11:00, Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt) wrote:
> I second Caryn’s reaffirmation of her request for Arvin to design.
>
> Alex
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> My condolences as well.
>> In reference to the other matter, there are solid good faith
>> positions
>> all around in this very difficult manner. Many of us asked Mr.
>> Vohra
>> to resign which is far preferable, and I renew that request here.
>> I would like to bring to your attention that there was an additional
>> MeWe post on the same issue which raises the same very troubling
>> issues
>> in which Mr. Vohra stated that if he thought it would be effective
>> that
>> he would have shot up a school board already. So..... is that not
>> advocating the initiation of force if it could be proven to work?
>> Here is the exact post - what Mr. Vohra gives with one hand, he
>> takes
>> away with another. That is precisely the problem.
>> ===
>>
>> A few have, interestingly, asked why I don’t support violence
>> against
>> the government. After all, given how much I hate the government, why
>> wouldn’t I want to see it shot up a bit?
>>
>> Here’s an analogy. Suppose you wanted to destroy a church. If you
>> just
>> bomb the church, the adherents of the religion would just create a
>> new
>> one. To truly destroy a church, you need to destroy the religion.
>>
>> Religions are ideas, and are destroyed by ideas. Belief in the
>> welfare
>> state, especially government schools, is an idea. It will be
>> defeated
>> by ideas, not by guns.
>>
>> Listen, if I thought shooting up a school board would end the
>> welfare
>> state, or even just government schools, I would have already done
>> it.
>> My life is not so precious that it’s worth destroying the minds of
>> tens
>> of millions of American kids a year. But such an action would be
>> futile.
>>
>> We don’t need to kill individuals or blow up buildings. We need to
>> destroy the ideology that creates those institutions.
>>
>> We need to destroy the belief in the welfare state, especially
>> government schools. And while that requires a certain verbal
>> aggressiveness, it doesn’t benefit from violence.====
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Starchild <[1]starchild at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> My condolences to the Mayer family on their loss, and my
>> thanks for their efforts on behalf of freedom and the LP.
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> [2]RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:02 AM, James Lark wrote:
>>> Dear colleagues:
>>> I hope all is well with you. I am writing to provide some
>>> information about a couple of matters.
>>> 1) In a separate message I shall send my vote on the motion to
>> suspend
>>> Arvin Vohra. While I believe several of Mr. Vohra's actions are
>>> reflective of poor judgment, I am not convinced that the recent
>> MeWe
>>> post in question or his previous statements constitute a violation
>> of
>>> the certification (also referred to as the "membership pledge").
>> In
>>> particular, I believe that the post in question was an attempt at
>> humor
>>> (albeit an attempt that failed badly), and I accept his statements
>> that
>>> he does not advocate violence against the state. (I have some
>>> additional concerns about the wording of the motion, which I shall
>>> discuss if the need arises.)
>>> On Mar. 31, I sent a message to Mr. Vohra about the MeWe post.
>> I
>>> stated my belief that the intentional posting of the message in
>> such a
>>> place suggested questionable judgment, and perhaps an indifference
>> to
>>> the negative effect such posts may have on the LP, especially with
>>> respect to some of our affiliate organizations. I also requested
>> that
>>> he resign from the LNC, preferably with immediate effect.
>>> For whatever it is worth, this is one of the most difficult
>> votes I
>>> have cast during my service as an LNC member. I am concerned that
>> some
>>> of Mr. Vohra's statements have caused damage to the LP, and may
>> cause
>>> damage in the future. Thus, I understand very well why the motion
>> is
>>> supported by many people whose character and judgment I greatly
>>> respect. I am also concerned that passage of the motion may cause
>> as
>>> many problems over the long term as it may alleviate. In most
>> cases
>>> when I have such uncertainty concerning a motion, I abstain.
>> However,
>>> in this case, since an abstention functions as a "nay" vote, I
>> believe
>>> it is appropriate to vote "nay."
>>> 2) A few days ago I received word that Adam Mayer, former chair of
>> the
>>> Libertarian Party of Oregon, had passed away. Mr. Mayer and his
>> wife
>>> Christiana were stalwarts of the Libertarian Party of Oregon for
>> many
>>> years. On a personal note, they were extremely kind and hospitable
>> to
>>> me when I had the honor of addressing the LP Oregon conventions in
>> 2005
>>> and 2007. I hope you will join me in offering condolences to the
>> Mayer
>>> family on their loss, and in offering thanks for their work for
>>> liberty.
>>> As always, thanks for your work for liberty. I look forward to
>>> seeing you soon.
>>> Take care,
>>> Jim
>>> James W. Lark, III
>>> Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
>>> Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering and Society
>>> Affiliated Faculty, Dept. of Statistics
>>> University of Virginia
>>> Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
>>> University of Virginia
>>> Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> -----
>>> Motion (contained in e-mail ballot 2018-05) concerning Arvin Vohra:
>>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds the non-initiation of force as
>> its
>>> cardinal principle and requires each of its members certify that
>> they
>>> neither advocate or believe in violent means to achieve political
>> or
>>> social goals.
>>> RESOLVED, that the Libertarian National Committee suspends Arvin
>> Vohra
>>> from his position of Vice-Chair for sustained and repeated
>> unacceptable
>>> conduct that brings the principles of the Libertarian Party into
>>> disrepute, including making and defending a statement advocating
>> lethal
>>> violence against state employees who are not directly threatening
>>> imminent physical harm. Such action is in violation of our
>> membership
>>> pledge. These actions further endanger the survival of our movement
>> and
>>> the security of all of our members without their consent.
>>> -----
>>> -----
>>> From [1][3]https://www.lp.org/membership/:
>>> * Certify Your Membership*
>>> + [ ] YES, sign me up as a member of the Libertarian Party.
>> To
>>> validate my membership, I certify that I oppose the
>> initiation
>>> of force to achieve political or social goals.
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [4]https://www.lp.org/membership/
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:starchild at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>> 3. https://www.lp.org/membership/
>> 4. https://www.lp.org/membership/
>> 5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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