[Lnc-business] Platform Committee
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu May 17 11:24:28 EDT 2018
Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my request to
indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the in-person
meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
He stated that Mimi Robson *is not the CA Representative but remains the CA
Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the CA
representative.*
So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for good
reason.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to the
> platform committee.
>
> Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned back
> in April.
>
> This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform committee on
> 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector list)
> ----
> "Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the committee
> and extends his apologies.
>
> Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms. Robson
> would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the prior
> issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with this prior
> to my submission of these changes to HQ."
> ----
> On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role, there was
> no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about alternates in general,
> including the Florida alternate, etc.
>
> At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on May 13 &
> 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles, anyone had.
> Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the LPCA
> representative.
>
> I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how I
> know.
>
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
>
> On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
>> seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a conclusion I
>> question).
>>
>> I brought the situation to the California LP Executive Committee's
>> attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
>> appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then too late
>> for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the case, I
>> think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
>>
>> I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its appointment
>> of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>> ((( starchild )))
>>
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> [1]RealReform at earthlink.net
>>
>> (415) 625-FREE
>>
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>> On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
>> The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr wore the hat
>> of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA alternate.
>> There was no confusion. Two different people participated and voted
>> from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote on
>> each
>> question.
>> -Alicia
>> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee Chair.
>> As the
>> LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and as you
>> may
>> not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron Starr
>> as
>> their
>> primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
>> Alternate and
>> CA primary.
>> Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
>> leaving
>> a
>> vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that then Mr.
>> Starr
>> would then move into that spot and it seems everyone agrees on
>> that,
>> but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two primary
>> appointments, that of LNC and that of California. This can
>> affect
>> voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr. Starr, and
>> leaves
>> the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
>> primary
>> or
>> not. She has not communicated that to me this is my own
>> independent
>> observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the LPCA
>> Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not vacated any
>> seat
>> and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has decided
>> that
>> there
>> is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this situation.
>> At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing bodies
>> (the
>> LNC
>> and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a choice,
>> leave
>> things be, or some other option available to them. I am cc'ing
>> this
>> information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward to her
>> EC if
>> she wishes.
>> If there is any change please let me know.
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
>> Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> References
>> 1. [3]mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. [4]mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
>> 2. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Elizabeth your email proves there IS a confusion. Despite my request
to indicate if there was any disagreements with that email, at the
in-person meeting Mr. Starr then stated he did disagree.
He stated that Mimi Robson is not the CA Representative but remains the
CA Alternate and that he is BOTH an LNC Primary Representative and the
CA representative.
So I think it is obvious there is confusion as you are confused for
good reason.
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
No need for the LNC to withdraw the appointment of Aaron Starr to
the platform committee.
Jeffrey Miron, and LNC appointee to the platform committee, resigned
back in April.
This is an exact quote of Caryn Ann's message to the platform
committee on 4-18-2018. (which can be read in the reflector list)
----
"Hello Committee, unfortunately Mr. Miron has to resign from the
committee
and extends his apologies.
Mr. Starr would now move up to an LNC primary appointee and Ms.
Robson
would move up to the CA primary representative. In light of the
prior
issue, please advise immediately if there is a disagreement with
this prior
to my submission of these changes to HQ."
----
On the topic of Aaron Starr moving into the LNC appointed role,
there was no disagreement, by instead ensued discussion about
alternates in general, including the Florida alternate, etc.
At the platform committee meeting, which was in Columbus, Ohio on
May 13 & 14, there was no confusion as to what votes, or roles,
anyone had.
Aaron Starr voted as the LNC appointee and Mimi Robson voted as the
LPCA representative.
I was there representing LPIN on the platform committee, this is how
I know.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-05-17 00:50, Starchild via Lnc-business wrote:
I don't think it's acceptable for one person to monopolize multiple
seats on a committee even if nobody finds it confusing (a
conclusion I
question).
I brought the situation to the California LP Executive
Committee's
attention in the hopes they would correct it by withdrawing their
appointment, but they did not. Possibly because it was by then
too late
for a state affiliate to make a new appointment. That being the
case, I
think we should act to correct the situation on our end.
I move that the Libertarian National Committee withdraw its
appointment
of Aaron Starr to the Platform Committee, and ask for seconds.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
[1][2]RealReform at earthlink.net
(415) 625-FREE
@StarchildSF
On May 16, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
wrote:
Lest any of the readers get the wrong idea:
The Platform Committee met this past weekend. Mr. Starr wore
the hat
of an LNC appointee, and Ms. Robson participated as the CA
alternate.
There was no confusion. Two different people participated and
voted
from the two different appointing bodies, each getting one vote
on
each
question.
-Alicia
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
<[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Hello I am writing in my capacity as Platform Committee
Chair.
As the
LNC knows, we appointed Aaron Starr as LNC alternate, and
as you
may
not know, subsequent to that date California named Aaron
Starr
as
their
primary appointee resulting in him holding two seats: LNC
Alternate and
CA primary.
Since that time, LNC appointee Jeffrey Miron has resigned
leaving
a
vacancy on the LNC appointments. It seems to me that then
Mr.
Starr
would then move into that spot and it seems everyone
agrees on
that,
but this results in Mr. Starr in effect holding two
primary
appointments, that of LNC and that of California. This
can
affect
voting, gives a potential strategic advantage to Mr.
Starr, and
leaves
the current California alternate unsure if she is now the
primary
or
not. She has not communicated that to me this is my own
independent
observation (she is a difficult position as she is now the
LPCA
Chair). Mr. Starr has informed me that he has not
vacated any
seat
and thus holds the two positions. The Committee has
decided
that
there
is nothing in RONR or our Bylaws that prevents this
situation.
At this point, it is in the purview of the appointing
bodies
(the
LNC
and California) to decide if they wish to ask, require a
choice,
leave
things be, or some other option available to them. I am
cc'ing
this
information to the California Chair Ms. Robson to forward
to her
EC if
she wishes.
If there is any change please let me know.
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [1]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee
Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[2]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. [3]mailto:[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. [4]mailto:[5]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. mailto:[6]RealReform at earthlink.net
2. mailto:[7]Harlos at LP.org
3. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[9]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [10]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [11]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. mailto:RealReform at earthlink.net
7. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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