[Lnc-business] Request for Co-Sponsors to Amend Policy Manual to Allow Zoom for E-Meetings
Joshua Katz
planning4liberty at gmail.com
Wed May 23 20:10:02 EDT 2018
Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe since, unless
I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option. I don't see the
cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll still be paying it. (That's
not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons this motion makes more sense
than one to get out of Adobe, not least being that we're in a contract. I
just don't think it's a good argument for this motion.)
On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package. How many
hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word? Buying? You know
what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses we have on Adobe -
raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for privileged motions, etc.?
I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options for several
weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on to something else,
fine with me, but I would prefer a process similar to the one we used last
time.
Joshua A. Katz
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I'll do a quick argument for Zoom: It's cheap and easy.
>
> Against Abode: It's costly and difficult.
>
> Here's the Zoom pricing for comparison:
>
> https://zoom.us/pricing
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
>
> On 2018-05-23 09:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> I have enough co-sponsors and limited time. It will pass or fail -
>> I'll save the arguments for go-time. I mentioned this a few months ago
>> and waited.
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Daniel Hayes <[1]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It’s email you silly goose. The rules of debate don’t apply. You need
>> to lay it out first cause you can’t amend an email motion.
>> Daniel
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On May 23, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I’ll wait to argue for it when the ballot is started.
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:53 AM Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business
>> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> What’s the cost on the Zoom service? We had a committee that
>> evaluated different video conferencing platforms for months in late
>> 2014. Then I think we took the whole LNC on Adobe before we pulled
>> the trigger.
>> I’m not opposed to another platform because over 3 years is forever
>> in the technology arena but why Zoom? What else is out there now?
>> At THIS moment I am a “NO” on this because we have almost NO data on
>> this, unless I missed an email thread.
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On May 23, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Dustin Nanna via Lnc-business
>> <[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Did you get enough cosponsors? If not I cosponsor as well
>> > Dustin Nanna
>> > LNC Region 3 Alternate
>> > Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>> > Libertarian Party of Ohio
>> > (740) 816-9805
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 8. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>
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Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe since,
unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option. I
don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll still be
paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons this
motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least being
that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good argument for
this motion.)
On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package. How
many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word? Buying?
You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses we
have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for privileged
motions, etc.?
I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options for
several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on to
something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process similar to
the one we used last time.
Joshua A. Katz
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'll do a quick argument for Zoom: It's cheap and easy.
Against Abode: It's costly and difficult.
Here's the Zoom pricing for comparison:
[2]https://zoom.us/pricing
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-05-23 09:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I have enough co-sponsors and limited time. It will pass or fail -
I'll save the arguments for go-time. I mentioned this a few
months ago
and waited.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Daniel Hayes
<[1][3]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
wrote:
It’s email you silly goose. The rules of debate don’t apply. You
need
to lay it out first cause you can’t amend an email motion.
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I’ll wait to argue for it when the ballot is started.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:53 AM Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business
<[3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
What’s the cost on the Zoom service? We had a committee that
evaluated different video conferencing platforms for months in
late
2014. Then I think we took the whole LNC on Adobe before we
pulled
the trigger.
I’m not opposed to another platform because over 3 years is
forever
in the technology arena but why Zoom? What else is out there
now?
At THIS moment I am a “NO” on this because we have almost NO
data on
this, unless I missed an email thread.
Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 23, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Dustin Nanna via Lnc-business
<[4][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Did you get enough cosponsors? If not I cosponsor as well
> Dustin Nanna
> LNC Region 3 Alternate
> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
> Libertarian Party of Ohio
> (740) 816-9805
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[7]daniel.hayes at lp.org
2. mailto:[8]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. [12]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
7. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
8. [14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. https://zoom.us/pricing
3. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
8. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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