[Lnc-business] Request for Co-Sponsors to Amend Policy Manual to Allow Zoom for E-Meetings
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed May 23 22:22:51 EDT 2018
And amazingly you don't need anything called a "bridge" to be set up ahead
of time and fiddled with to get people to call in. They just...... call
in. It's like magic.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> === Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe since,
> unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option. ====
>
> Temporarily as a fail-safe.
>
> === I don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll still
> be
> paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons this
> motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least being
> that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good argument for
> this motion.)===
>
> Temporarily. And Adobe allows only one person to admin the meetings.
> That is completely nonfeasible if this is to be an option for committees.
>
> ===On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package. How
> many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word? Buying?====
>
> You only need one. The master account. Wes could then give those
> credentials to whoever needed them. And IF we ever needed more you can
> drop and add at any time.
>
> ==You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses we have
> on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for privileged
> motions, etc.?===
>
> It has hand up and hand down. That can be used for everything.
>
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-
> Attendee-Controls-in-a-Meeting
>
> ===I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options for several
> weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on to
> something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process similar to the
> one we used last time.===
>
> Adobe is a living hell to use. While not for the LNC I have done this
> process for many years, and hands down, zoom is it. Close second is Go To
> Meeting. If the LPCO had to live on Adobe we would disband it is that
> awful.
>
> Ideally I want the policy manual to be option to many hosting options. I
> mean how silly would it be if it said we could ONLY meet at Holiday Inn?
> And only if a certain person was there? The PM should just be a list of
> requirements.
>
> But we need to have the freedom now to actually do things, and the
> Platform Committee will be having about 4 or so more e-meetings and we will
> all commit ritual suicide if we have to deal with that level of Dante's
> Inferno called Adobe Connect.
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Joshua Katz via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe since,
>> unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option. I
>> don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll still be
>> paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons this
>> motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least being
>> that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good argument for
>> this motion.)
>> On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package. How
>> many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word? Buying?
>> You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses we
>> have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for privileged
>> motions, etc.?
>> I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options for
>> several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on to
>> something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process similar to
>> the one we used last time.
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'll do a quick argument for Zoom: It's cheap and easy.
>> Against Abode: It's costly and difficult.
>> Here's the Zoom pricing for comparison:
>> [2]https://zoom.us/pricing
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>> On 2018-05-23 09:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> I have enough co-sponsors and limited time. It will pass or fail -
>> I'll save the arguments for go-time. I mentioned this a few
>> months ago
>> and waited.
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Daniel Hayes
>> <[1][3]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> It’s email you silly goose. The rules of debate don’t apply. You
>> need
>> to lay it out first cause you can’t amend an email motion.
>> Daniel
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On May 23, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> I’ll wait to argue for it when the ballot is started.
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:53 AM Daniel Hayes via Lnc-business
>> <[3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> What’s the cost on the Zoom service? We had a committee that
>> evaluated different video conferencing platforms for months in
>> late
>> 2014. Then I think we took the whole LNC on Adobe before we
>> pulled
>> the trigger.
>> I’m not opposed to another platform because over 3 years is
>> forever
>> in the technology arena but why Zoom? What else is out there
>> now?
>> At THIS moment I am a “NO” on this because we have almost NO
>> data on
>> this, unless I missed an email thread.
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On May 23, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Dustin Nanna via Lnc-business
>> <[4][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Did you get enough cosponsors? If not I cosponsor as well
>> > Dustin Nanna
>> > LNC Region 3 Alternate
>> > Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>> > Libertarian Party of Ohio
>> > (740) 816-9805
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[7]daniel.hayes at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[8]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 6. [12]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 7. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 8. [14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. https://zoom.us/pricing
>> 3. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
>> 4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 7. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
>> 8. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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And amazingly you don't need anything called a "bridge" to be set up
ahead of time and fiddled with to get people to call in. They
just...... call in. It's like magic.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
=== Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe
since,
unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option.
====
Temporarily as a fail-safe.
=== I don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll
still be
paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons
this
motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least
being
that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good argument
for
this motion.)===
Temporarily. And Adobe allows only one person to admin the meetings.
That is completely nonfeasible if this is to be an option for
committees.
===On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package.
How
many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
Buying?====
You only need one. The master account. Wes could then give those
credentials to whoever needed them. And IF we ever needed more you can
drop and add at any time.
==You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses
we have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for privileged
motions, etc.?===
It has hand up and hand down. That can be used for everything.
[2]https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-
Attendee-Controls-in-a-Meeting
===I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options
for several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on to
something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process similar
to the one we used last time.===
Adobe is a living hell to use. While not for the LNC I have done this
process for many years, and hands down, zoom is it. Close second is Go
To Meeting. If the LPCO had to live on Adobe we would disband it is
that awful.
Ideally I want the policy manual to be option to many hosting options.
I mean how silly would it be if it said we could ONLY meet at Holiday
Inn? And only if a certain person was there? The PM should just be a
list of requirements.
But we need to have the freedom now to actually do things, and the
Platform Committee will be having about 4 or so more e-meetings and we
will all commit ritual suicide if we have to deal with that level of
Dante's Inferno called Adobe Connect.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Joshua Katz via Lnc-business
<[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Well, okay, but this won't actually save us the cost of Adobe
since,
unless I am misreading it, we'll still maintain an Adobe option.
I
don't see the cost of Adobe as an argument here when we'll still
be
paying it. (That's not a criticism, there are plenty of reasons
this
motion makes more sense than one to get out of Adobe, not least
being
that we're in a contract. I just don't think it's a good
argument for
this motion.)
On Zoom, it looks to me like we'd be limited to the Pro package.
How
many hosts would we anticipate, umm, what's the right word?
Buying?
You know what I mean. Also, does Zoom have the multiple statuses
we
have on Adobe - raised hand, agree/disagree, rabbit for
privileged
motions, etc.?
I agree with Daniel's point that we looked at various options for
several weeks before choosing Adobe. If people want to move on
to
something else, fine with me, but I would prefer a process
similar to
the one we used last time.
Joshua A. Katz
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via
Lnc-business
<[1][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'll do a quick argument for Zoom: It's cheap and easy.
Against Abode: It's costly and difficult.
Here's the Zoom pricing for comparison:
[2][5]https://zoom.us/pricing
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-05-23 09:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I have enough co-sponsors and limited time. It will pass or
fail -
I'll save the arguments for go-time. I mentioned this a few
months ago
and waited.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Daniel Hayes
<[1][3][6]daniel.hayes at lp.org>
wrote:
It’s email you silly goose. The rules of debate don’t apply.
You
need
to lay it out first cause you can’t amend an email motion.
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2][4][7]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I’ll wait to argue for it when the ballot is started.
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:53 AM Daniel Hayes via
Lnc-business
<[3][5][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
What’s the cost on the Zoom service? We had a committee
that
evaluated different video conferencing platforms for
months in
late
2014. Then I think we took the whole LNC on Adobe before
we
pulled
the trigger.
I’m not opposed to another platform because over 3 years
is
forever
in the technology arena but why Zoom? What else is out
there
now?
At THIS moment I am a “NO” on this because we have almost
NO
data on
this, unless I missed an email thread.
Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 23, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Dustin Nanna via
Lnc-business
<[4][6][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Did you get enough cosponsors? If not I cosponsor as well
> Dustin Nanna
> LNC Region 3 Alternate
> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
> Libertarian Party of Ohio
> (740) 816-9805
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
- [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[7][10]daniel.hayes at lp.org
2. mailto:[8][11]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:[9][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[10][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[11]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. [12][14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
7. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
8. [14][15]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. mailto:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. [17]https://zoom.us/pricing
3. mailto:[18]daniel.hayes at lp.org
4. mailto:[19]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:[22]daniel.hayes at lp.org
8. mailto:[23]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
9. mailto:[24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:[25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto:[26]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
12. [27]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
13. mailto:[28]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
14. [29]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [30]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [31]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [32]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [33]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/200941109-Attendee-Controls-in-a-Meeting
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. https://zoom.us/pricing
6. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
7. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
11. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
15. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. https://zoom.us/pricing
18. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
19. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
22. mailto:daniel.hayes at lp.org
23. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
24. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
26. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
27. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
28. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
29. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
30. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
31. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
32. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
33. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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