[Lnc-business] Judicial committee
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 19:16:23 EDT 2018
==Two At-Large received a majority of votes. Sam Goldstein and Joe
Bishop-Henchman.==
Those are the only two legitimately elected.
==Concerning the other three At-Large vote-getters, I don't think it's for
the LNC decide to overrule the delegate body, which did vote for a
suspension of rules and to accept the top-five, even if some didn't have a
majority vote.===
They were led to believe they had only two choices - bad and worse. That
is not an independent reasoned decision. And they had to decide in a rush.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> wrote:
> I'm not seeing how it's appropriate to have the LNC (or individual LNC
> members) deny what the delegate body decided. There was a vote, but
> questions were asked to clarify things (RE: judicial committee)
>
> It seems an odd time to protest now. Why not on the convention floor?
> Why not in the LNC meeting after convention close?
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
>
> On 2018-07-05 19:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I deny the body legitimately voted to suspend the rules for at-large.
> They were led to that decision.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> The vote to suspend the rules was specific to the At-Large, as there was
>> a question from the floor asking if the rules suspension would also be for
>> the judicial committee. Nick ruled that it would only be for the At-Large.
>>
>> So, while the delegate body did vote to suspend the rules for the
>> At-Large, and let the top five candidates be the winners, that rule
>> suspension doesn't apply to the judicial committee. (Per Nick's decision
>> at the convention.)
>>
>> It's really just the judicial committee that's in limbo.
>>
>> The previous judicial committee is disbanded when the convention ends.
>> The LNC doesn't have the authority to appoint a new judicial committee, as
>> the bylaws say only the judicial committee can't appoint members, but there
>> is no judicial committee.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2018-07-05 18:30, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't the delegates vote to allow this process?
>>> Whitney Bilyeu
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 5:22 PM Whitney Bilyeu <[1]whitneycb76 at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 5:04 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
>>> <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
>>> populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to appoint
>>> the
>>> top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose we can
>>> be
>>> anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
>>> applications from
>>> people who were not nominated at convention.
>>> I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify
>>> they
>>> have been members for four years.
>>> --
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:whitneycb76 at gmail.com
>>> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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==Two At-Large received a majority of votes. Sam Goldstein and Joe
Bishop-Henchman.==
Those are the only two legitimately elected.
==Concerning the other three At-Large vote-getters, I don't think it's
for the LNC decide to overrule the delegate body, which did vote for a
suspension of rules and to accept the top-five, even if some didn't
have a majority vote.===
They were led to believe they had only two choices - bad and worse.
That is not an independent reasoned decision. And they had to decide
in a rush.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
I'm not seeing how it's appropriate to have the LNC (or individual LNC
members) deny what the delegate body decided. There was a vote, but
questions were asked to clarify things (RE: judicial committee)
It seems an odd time to protest now. Why not on the convention floor?
Why not in the LNC meeting after convention close?
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-07-05 19:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I deny the body legitimately voted to suspend the rules for at-large.
They were led to that decision.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
The vote to suspend the rules was specific to the At-Large, as there
was a question from the floor asking if the rules suspension would
also be for the judicial committee. Nick ruled that it would only
be for the At-Large.
So, while the delegate body did vote to suspend the rules for the
At-Large, and let the top five candidates be the winners, that rule
suspension doesn't apply to the judicial committee. (Per Nick's
decision at the convention.)
It's really just the judicial committee that's in limbo.
The previous judicial committee is disbanded when the convention
ends. The LNC doesn't have the authority to appoint a new judicial
committee, as the bylaws say only the judicial committee can't
appoint members, but there is no judicial committee.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[4]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-07-05 18:30, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
Didn't the delegates vote to allow this process?
Whitney Bilyeu
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 5:22 PM Whitney Bilyeu
<[1][5]whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 5:04 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
<[2][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Since we apparently closed the convention without a
procedure for
populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to
appoint
the
top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose
we can
be
anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
applications from
people who were not nominated at convention.
I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to
verify
they
have been members for four years.
--
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
References
1. mailto:[7]whitneycb76 at gmail.com
2. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [10]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
- [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
5. mailto:whitneycb76 at gmail.com
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:whitneycb76 at gmail.com
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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