[Lnc-business] Judicial committee

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

I think the same delegates that we trust to suspend rules on other 
things, are able to make a decision, even if the clock is ticking.  
These are the same people who sat through multiple days of rules, 
motions, decisions, and voting.  I'm not willing to discount their 
ability to make decisions.  I'll vote 'no' on tossing the decision that 
the delegate body made.  I'll vote 'no' if an attempt is made to do 
mail-ballots, overriding the body of the delegates, who already made a 
decision.

Regarding Joe Bishop-Henchman's proposal, I'd prefer to have the #4 in 
his proposal be state chairs.  (Or, someone they designate from a state 
affilate) As the delegates come from the state affiliates, and the state 
chairs have a vested interest in ensuring future votes at convention are 
handled well.

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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2018-07-05 19:40, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> There are way more qualified people to serve on an exploratory
>    committee for voting etc, and it should be based on qualifications 
> not
>    factions and needs to be a lot larger.  IF the Secretary is involved 
> it
>    should be as an ex-officio member.  We have our hands in way too 
> many
>    pies, and we sure screwed this one up.
>    With the way the delegates were led to that decision - we put the 
> fix
>    on it.  Unintentionally sure but that wayyyyyy too much interference 
> in
>    our own internal elections.
>    As a member I want At-Larges that were voted in by a majority as is 
> my
>    right.  I think most members, if not forced into a faustian bargain,
>    would feel the same.
> 
>    On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>    <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>    I will vote no if this comes up.  There is always a next convention.
>    We screwed this up last convention.  Let the delegates decide.
>    And I will vote hell no to the last further resolved.  The LNC needs 
> to
>    stay away from caucuses.
> 
>    On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:32 PM, joe.bishop-henchman--- via 
> Lnc-business
>    <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>      I've been thinking about this since the night of the At-Large/JC
>      election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had perhaps 
> 100
>      delegates who were going to support me already leave by the time 
> we
>      got to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting
>      and tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting
>      from Party members.
>      That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did 
> perhaps
>      the least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that
>      anything we do that departs from that, be it putting our own 
> people
>      on or keeping the dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail 
> ballot
>      to all Party members or some rump thereof, is even more 
> disconnected
>      from the rules we should be following and destined to be viewed as
>      illegitimate and post-hoc.
>      I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you do.
>      Taking Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three
>      birds with one stone:
>      WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018 voted
>      that the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available
>      At-Large seats on the LNC; and
>      WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial Committee
>      members be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large
>      members of the National Committee; and
>      WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7 would
>      clear all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>      THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and
>      Alicia Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a
>      two-year term; and
>      BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election of 
> D.
>      Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff
>      Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee 
> for
>      a four-year term; and
>      BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established to
>      present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1, 2019
>      for improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation
>      process of LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
>      (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
>      (2) the Party Secretary
>      (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
>      (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from among 
> the
>      various caucuses in the Party.
>      JBH
> 
>    On 2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> 
>      Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
>         populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to 
> appoint
>      the
>         top seven vote winners as the JC for this term?  I suppose we 
> can
>      be
>         anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
>      applications from
>         people who were not nominated at convention.
>         I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify
>      they
>         have been members for four years.
>         --
>         Sam Goldstein
>         Libertarian National Committee
>         317-850-0726 Cell
> 
>    --
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
> Washington)
>    - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>    Communications Director, [4]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
> 
>    --
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
> Washington)
>    - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>    Communications Director, [6]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    4. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>    5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/