[Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed

[Joshua Katz]

As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this list
for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points made,
assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are correct. Which,
obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I also agree that, with
Presidential nominations last, the body will not simply leave that not
done. I will point out that I attended the NAP convention last year. It is
smaller, but not on an entirely different scale. Elections, with many
candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or so. The LP needs to adopt a
better method of balloting and counting.

I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting the
party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the difficult spot
the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I am saying that, if I
could start from scratch, with no history or other issues, I'd build the
convention around the conduct of business. But we can't start from there,
and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us in that direction.

I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.

Joshua A. Katz


On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    That is a bylaws change we passed.  So yes.  That is done.  And I bet
>    we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
>
>    On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden <[1]craig.bowden at lp.org>
>    wrote:
>
>      Is there any way we can move the order where we change the order of
>      business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
>      earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't just be
>      an afterthought.
>      On 2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>      The bylaws agenda change will help.  But it is deeper than that.  We
>      do
>         not prioritize this.
>         On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
>      <[1][2]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
>         wrote:
>         Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
>      presidential to
>         5.
>         Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
>         Dustin Nanna
>         LNC Region 3 Alternate
>         Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
>         Libertarian Party of Ohio
>         (740) 816-9805
>         --
>         In Liberty,
>         Caryn Ann Harlos
>         Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>         [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>         Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>         A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>         We defend your rights
>         And oppose the use of force
>         Taxation is theft
>      References
>         1. mailto:[3]dustin.nanna at lp.org
>         2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>    [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
>    2. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
>    3. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
>    4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
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   As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this
   list for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points
   made, assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are
   correct. Which, obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I
   also agree that, with Presidential nominations last, the body will not
   simply leave that not done. I will point out that I attended the NAP
   convention last year. It is smaller, but not on an entirely different
   scale. Elections, with many candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or
   so. The LP needs to adopt a better method of balloting and counting.
   I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting
   the party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the
   difficult spot the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I
   am saying that, if I could start from scratch, with no history or other
   issues, I'd build the convention around the conduct of business. But we
   can't start from there, and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us
   in that direction.
   I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
   conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.

   Joshua A. Katz
   On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        That is a bylaws change we passed.  So yes.  That is done.  And I
     bet
        we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
        On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden
     <[1][2]craig.bowden at lp.org>
        wrote:
          Is there any way we can move the order where we change the
     order of
          business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
          earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't
     just be
          an afterthought.
          On 2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
          The bylaws agenda change will help.  But it is deeper than
     that.  We
          do
             not prioritize this.
             On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
          <[1][2][3]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
             wrote:
             Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
          presidential to
             5.
             Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
             Dustin Nanna
             LNC Region 3 Alternate
             Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
             Libertarian Party of Ohio
             (740) 816-9805
             --
             In Liberty,
             Caryn Ann Harlos
             Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
     Secretary -
             [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
             Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
             A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
             We defend your rights
             And oppose the use of force
             Taxation is theft
          References
             1. mailto:[3][4]dustin.nanna at lp.org
             2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
        [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
     References
        1. mailto:[5]craig.bowden at lp.org
        2. mailto:[6]dustin.nanna at lp.org
        3. mailto:[7]dustin.nanna at lp.org
        4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        5. mailto:[9]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
   3. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
   4. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
   5. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
   6. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
   7. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
   8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org