[Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 22:15:35 EDT 2018
Thanks for your input! And 10 min per sounds much better :)
John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Joshua Katz via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 8:41 PMTo: Libertarian National Committee list;Cc: Joshua Katz;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed
As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this list
for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points made,
assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are correct. Which,
obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I also agree that, with
Presidential nominations last, the body will not simply leave that not
done. I will point out that I attended the NAP convention last year. It is
smaller, but not on an entirely different scale. Elections, with many
candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or so. The LP needs to adopt a
better method of balloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting the
party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the difficult spot
the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I am saying that, if I
could start from scratch, with no history or other issues, I'd build the
convention around the conduct of business. But we can't start from there,
and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I bet
> we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden <[1]craig.bowden at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Is there any way we can move the order where we change the order of
> business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
> earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't just be
> an afterthought.
> On 2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than that. We
> do
> not prioritize this.
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
> <[1][2]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
> presidential to
> 5.
> Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
> Dustin Nanna
> LNC Region 3 Alternate
> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
> Libertarian Party of Ohio
> (740) 816-9805
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[3]dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
> 2. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 3. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this
list for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points
made, assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are
correct. Which, obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I
also agree that, with Presidential nominations last, the body will not
simply leave that not done. I will point out that I attended the NAP
convention last year. It is smaller, but not on an entirely different
scale. Elections, with many candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or
so. The LP needs to adopt a better method of balloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting
the party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the
difficult spot the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I
am saying that, if I could start from scratch, with no history or other
issues, I'd build the convention around the conduct of business. But we
can't start from there, and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us
in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I
bet
we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden
<[1][2]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
Is there any way we can move the order where we change the
order of
business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't
just be
an afterthought.
On 2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than
that. We
do
not prioritize this.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
<[1][2][3]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
wrote:
Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
presidential to
5.
Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
Dustin Nanna
LNC Region 3 Alternate
Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
Libertarian Party of Ohio
(740) 816-9805
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
[2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[3][4]dustin.nanna at lp.org
2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[5]craig.bowden at lp.org
2. mailto:[6]dustin.nanna at lp.org
3. mailto:[7]dustin.nanna at lp.org
4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
5. mailto:[9]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
3. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
4. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
5. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
6. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
7. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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Thanks for your input! And 10 min per sounds much better :)
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Joshua Katz via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 8:41 PM
To: Libertarian National Committee list;
Cc: Joshua Katz;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed
As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this list
for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points made,
assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are correct. Which,
obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I also agree that, with
Presidential nominations last, the body will not simply leave that not
done. I will point out that I attended the NAP convention last year. It is
smaller, but not on an entirely different scale. Elections, with many
candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or so. The LP needs to adopt a
better method of balloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting the
party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the difficult spot
the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I am saying that, if I
could start from scratch, with no history or other issues, I'd build the
convention around the conduct of business. But we can't start from there,
and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <[2]
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I bet
> we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden <[1[3]]craig.bowden at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Is there any way we can move the order where we change the order of
> business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
> earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't just be
> an afterthought.
> On [4]2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than that. We
> do
> not prioritize this.
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
> <[1][2[5]]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
> presidential to
> 5.
> Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
> Dustin Nanna
> LNC Region 3 Alternate
> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
> Libertarian Party of Ohio
> [6](740) 816-9805
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [2][7]Caryn.Ann.[8] Harlos at LP.org or[9] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[10] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[3[11]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[4[12]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [5][13]Caryn.Ann.[14] Harlos at LP.org or[15] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[16] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[17]:craig.bowden at lp.org
> 2. mailto[18]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 3. mailto[19]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 4. mailto[20]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. mailto[21]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this
list for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points
made, assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are
correct. Which, obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I
also agree that, with Presidential nominations last, the body will not
simply leave that not done. I will point out that I attended the NAP
convention last year. It is smaller, but not on an entirely different
scale. Elections, with many candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or
so. The LP needs to adopt a better method of balloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting
the party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the
difficult spot the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I
am saying that, if I could start from scratch, with no history or other
issues, I'd build the convention around the conduct of business. But we
can't start from there, and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us
in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1[22]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I
bet
we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden
<[1][2[23]]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
Is there any way we can move the order where we change the
order of
business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't
just be
an afterthought.
On [24]2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than
that. We
do
not prioritize this.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
<[1][2][3[25]]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
wrote:
Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
presidential to
5.
Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
Dustin Nanna
LNC Region 3 Alternate
Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
Libertarian Party of Ohio
[26](740) 816-9805
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
[2][27]Caryn.Ann.[28] Harlos at LP.org or[29] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[30] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[3][4[31]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
2. mailto:[4[32]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[5][33]Caryn.Ann.[34] Harlos at LP.org or[35] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[36] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[5[37]]craig.bowden at lp.org
2. mailto:[6[38]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
3. mailto:[7[39]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
4. mailto:[8[40]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
5. mailto:[9[41]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. mailto[42]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto[43]:craig.bowden at lp.org
3. mailto[44]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
4. mailto[45]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
5. mailto[46]:craig.bowden at lp.org
6. mailto[47]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
7. mailto[48]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
8. mailto[49]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
9. mailto[50]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
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2. mailto:
lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:]craig.bowden at lp.org
4. tel:2018-07-05 09
5. mailto:]dustin.nanna at lp.org
6. tel:(740) 816-9805
7. http://Caryn.An/
8. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
9. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
10. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
11. mailto:]dustin.nanna at lp.org
12. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. http://Caryn.An/
14. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
16. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
17. mailto::craig.bowden at lp.org
18. mailto::dustin.nanna at lp.org
19. mailto::dustin.nanna at lp.org
20. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
21. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
22. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
23. mailto:]craig.bowden at lp.org
24. tel:2018-07-05 09
25. mailto:]dustin.nanna at lp.org
26. tel:(740) 816-9805
27. http://Caryn.An/
28. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
29. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
30. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
31. mailto:]dustin.nanna at lp.org
32. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
33. http://Caryn.An/
34. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
35. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
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37. mailto:]craig.bowden at lp.org
38. mailto:]dustin.nanna at lp.org
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