[Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 22:32:13 EDT 2018
Agreed Phil
John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: phillip.anderson--- via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 9:27 PMTo: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: phillip.anderson at lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed
I have not been able to follow this entire thread, but I will tell you this: we owe it to the party members who elect delegates to represent them at convention to have a voting system in place that is not antiquated, clumsy, and literally drives people to drink on the floor. There was SO much important business we didn't get to. This frustration was expressed constantly by every member of the Wisconsin delegation.
We need to act soon, and make sure everyone knows we're serious and committed.
Thanks!
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Thanks for your input! And 10 min per sounds much better :) John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Joshua Katz via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 8:41 PMTo: Libertarian National Committee list;Cc: Joshua Katz;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this list for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points made, assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are correct. Which, obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I also agree that, with Presidential nominations last, the body will not simply leave that not done. I will point out that I attended the NAP convention last year. It is smaller, but not on an entirely different scale. Elections, with many candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or so. The LP needs to adopt a better method of balloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting the party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the difficult spot the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I am saying that, if I could start from scratch, with no history or other issues, I'd build the convention around the conduct of business. But we can't start from there, and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I bet
> we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden <[1]craig.bowden at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Is there any way we can move the order where we change the order of
> business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
> earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't just be
> an afterthought.
> On 2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than that. We
> do
> not prioritize this.
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
> <[1][2]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
> presidential to
> 5.
> Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
> Dustin Nanna
> LNC Region 3 Alternate
> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
> Libertarian Party of Ohio
> (740) 816-9805
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[3]dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
> 2. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 3. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this
list for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points
made, assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are
correct. Which, obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I
also agree that, with Presidential nominations last, the body will not
simply leave that not done. I will point out that I attended the NAP
convention last year. It is smaller, but not on an entirely different
scale. Elections, with many candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or
so. The LP needs to adopt a better method of balloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting
the party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the
difficult spot the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I
am saying that, if I could start from scratch, with no history or other
issues, I'd build the convention around the conduct of business. But we
can't start from there, and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us
in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I
bet
we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden
<[1][2]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
Is there any way we can move the order where we change the
order of
business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't
just be
an afterthought.
On 2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than
that. We
do
not prioritize this.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
<[1][2][3]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
wrote:
Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
presidential to
5.
Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
Dustin Nanna
LNC Region 3 Alternate
Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
Libertarian Party of Ohio
(740) 816-9805
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
[2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[3][4]dustin.nanna at lp.org
2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[5]craig.bowden at lp.org
2. mailto:[6]dustin.nanna at lp.org
3. mailto:[7]dustin.nanna at lp.org
4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
5. mailto:[9]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
3. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
4. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
5. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
6. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
7. mailto:dustin.nanna at lp.org
8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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Agreed Phil
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: [2]phillip.anderson--- via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 9:27 PM
To: [3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: [4]phillip.anderson at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed
I have not been able to follow this entire thread, but I will tell you this: we
owe it to the party members who elect delegates to represent them at convention
to have a voting system in place that is not antiquated, clumsy, and literally d
rives people to drink on the floor. There was SO much important business we didn
't get to. This frustration was expressed constantly by every member of the Wisc
onsin delegation.
We need to act soon, and make sure everyone knows we're serious and committed.
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: Lnc-business On Behalf Of [5]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 9:16 PM
To: Joshua Katz via Lnc-business
Cc:[6] john.phillips at lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed
Thanks for your input! And 10 min per sounds much better :) John PhillipsLiberta
rian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell [7]217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Joshua Katz via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Jul 5
, 2018 8:41 PMTo: Libertarian National Committee list;Cc: Joshua Katz;Subject:Re
: [Lnc-business] I am very very disturbed As the saying goes, not my monkeys. Bu
t seeing as I'm still on this list for the time being...I wasn't there, but I ag
ree with the points made, assuming my inferences about how things must have gone
are correct. Which, obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I also ag
ree that, with Presidential nominations last, the body will not simply leave tha
t not done. I will point out that I attended the NAP convention last year. It is
smaller, but not on an entirely different scale. Elections, with many candidate
s, took 10 minutes per ballot or so. The LP needs to adopt a better method of ba
lloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting the party's
business at our convention. I also acknowledge the difficult spot the CoC is in
, and I'm not saying I could do better. I am saying that, if I could start from
scratch, with no history or other issues, I'd build the convention around the co
nduct of business. But we can't start from there, and I'm not sure I know a good
way to move us in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient conventio
ns, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <[8] lnc-busi
ness at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I bet
> we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden <[1[9]]craig.bowden at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> Is there any way we can move the order where we change the order of
> business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
> earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't just be
> an afterthought.
> On [10]2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than that. We
> do
> not prioritize this.
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
> <[1][2[11]]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
> wrote:
> Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
> presidential to
> 5.
> Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
> Dustin Nanna
> LNC Region 3 Alternate
> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
> Libertarian Party of Ohio
> [12](740) 816-9805
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [2][13]Caryn.Ann.[14] Harlos at LP.org or[15] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[16] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[3[17]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[4[18]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [5][19]Caryn.Ann.[20] Harlos at LP.org or[21] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[22] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[23]:craig.bowden at lp.org
> 2. mailto[24]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 3. mailto[25]:dustin.nanna at lp.org
> 4. mailto[26]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. mailto[27]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
As the saying goes, not my monkeys. But seeing as I'm still on this
list for the time being...I wasn't there, but I agree with the points
made, assuming my inferences about how things must have gone are
correct. Which, obviously, has nothing at all to do with outcome. I
also agree that, with Presidential nominations last, the body will not
simply leave that not done. I will point out that I attended the NAP
convention last year. It is smaller, but not on an entirely different
scale. Elections, with many candidates, took 10 minutes per ballot or
so. The LP needs to adopt a better method of balloting and counting.
I also agree that we have, to our detriment, deemphasized conducting
the party's business at our convention. I also acknowledge the
difficult spot the CoC is in, and I'm not saying I could do better. I
am saying that, if I could start from scratch, with no history or other
issues, I'd build the convention around the conduct of business. But we
can't start from there, and I'm not sure I know a good way to move us
in that direction.
I do not agree that we need longer conventions. We need more efficient
conventions, particularly when it comes to elections.
Joshua A. Katz
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1[28]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
That is a bylaws change we passed. So yes. That is done. And I
bet
we magically never run out of time to nominate our ticket.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Craig Bowden
<[1][2[29]]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
Is there any way we can move the order where we change the
order of
business to allow for things like the Judicial Committee to be
earlier? This is a really important committee that shouldn't
just be
an afterthought.
On [30]2018-07-05 09:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The bylaws agenda change will help. But it is deeper than
that. We
do
not prioritize this.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Dustin Nanna
<[1][2][3[31]]dustin.nanna at lp.org>
wrote:
Off year conventions need to be bumped up to 4 days and
presidential to
5.
Additionally electronic voting would do wonders for this.
Dustin Nanna
LNC Region 3 Alternate
Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director
Libertarian Party of Ohio
[32](740) 816-9805
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
[2][33]Caryn.Ann.[34] Harlos at LP.org or[35] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[36] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[3][4[37]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
2. mailto:[4[38]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[5][39]Caryn.Ann.[40] Harlos at LP.org or[41] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[42] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[5[43]]craig.bowden at lp.org
2. mailto:[6[44]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
3. mailto:[7[45]]dustin.nanna at lp.org
4. mailto:[8[46]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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8. mailto[55]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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