[Lnc-business] Acknowledging election of JC members
Tim Hagan
tim.hagan at lp.org
Sat Jul 7 11:39:01 EDT 2018
I am still co-sponsoring.
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Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2018-07-07 04:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Before I start this email ballot, I need a clarification from the
> co-sponsors.
> In light of Mr. Moulton's announcement of the JC's decision to
> appoint
> members other than the top 7 is this motion still co-sponsored?
> This
> would put us in conflict with the JC.
> Please let me know.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> It seems clear to me that whatever we do is a kludge. But it also
> seems clear to me that since the JC is the watchdog for the Party,
> that
> the foxes shouldn't decide who guards the henhouse and we defer to
> their kludge.
> We probably haven't had a valid JC since 2016 in the first place.
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> The first thing to do here is read our existing bylaws relating
> to the
> Judicial Committee.
> Bylaw Article 8.1 says (in part), "The Judicial Committee shall
> take
> office immediately upon the close of the Regular Convention at
> which
> elected and shall serve until the final adjournment of the next
> Regular
> Convention."
> I don't understand Mr. Moulton's analysis and current plan
> which,
> unless I've misunderstood what he wrote, seems to say the JC
> members
> from the prior term are still serving on that body with the
> capacity to
> resign and fill vacancies. It seems pretty clear from the
> bylaws
> that
> their terms expired at the final adjournment of the convention
> on
> Tuesday afternoon.
> -Alicia
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Mr. Moulton, the chair of the old JC, has permitted me to
> forward
> this
> from him. I agree with his analysis of the problem and
> believe
> the
> proposed LNC motion would help make clear who the JC is.
> JBH
> Sam and Joe,
> I only speak for myself and not for the whole JC from the
> 2016-2018
> term.
> Because no one received a majority vote with approval
> voting,
> there is
> a
> controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was
> properly
> elected.
> Without getting into details of the relative merits of each
> interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list:
> 1. The convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality (the
> motion to
> suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our
> rules
> say the
> JC uses the same method of election as at-large).
> 2. The convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the
> motion
> referenced above explicitly said the top 5 would be elected
> by
> plurality)
> 3. The JC from the previous term continues serving another 2
> or
> 4
> years
> (no one received a majority)
> 4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC can fill at-large
> vacancies, and
> our rules say the JC is elected by the same method as
> at-large)
> 5. We have no JC (no one received a majority and our bylaws
> say
> the JC
> serves until the final adjournment of the next convention
> rather
> than
> when the next JC is elected)
> I can't do anything about interpretation #5.
> I am trying my best to at least make the interpretations in
> #1,
> #2, #3,
> and #4 be the same people so those with different
> interpretations
> don't
> think we have 4 different JCs. I believe this will add to
> the
> legitimacy of the JC.
> To that end I have asked the previous term's JC to resign
> (except
> me,
> as
> I serve on both) and appoint the 6 new JC members to fill
> the
> vacancies
> created. That makes the people under #3 the same as the
> people
> under
> #1. 6 of us (including me) have voted yes, and 5 have
> simultaneously
> submitted their resignations effective at the end of the
> vote.
> One
> member of the old JC refuses to vote or resign because he
> thinks
> that
> interpretation is without merit. He told me over the phone
> (repeatedly)
> "I am not on the JC."
> Once the new JC is constituted on the email list, I will
> offer
> a
> motion
> for the top 5 to fill 2 vacancies with the next 2 on the
> list.
> That
> makes the people under #2 the same as the people under #1.
> The LNC's motion could be construed to make the people under
> #4
> the
> same
> as under #1.
> Please feel free to forward this email to the LNC. Anyone
> may
> email me
>
> at [1][2][4]chuck at moulton.org or call me at 215-768-6812
> if
> you have
> any
> questions.
> Chuck Moulton
> Chair, 2016-2018 LP Judicial Committee
> References
> 1. mailto:[3][5]chuck at moulton.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[7]chuck at moulton.org
> 3. mailto:[8]chuck at moulton.org
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [10]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, [12]Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 5. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 8. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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