[Lnc-business] At-Large Elections

[William Redpath]

I would like to see Single Transferable Vote (a/k/a Choice Voting or 
Ranked Choice Voting) to elect the LNC At-Large positions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

but we would need better technology to effect that.

I would support Approval Voting over Plurality Voting, however.

I would support all non-officer LNC reps to be elected at-large, with 
regions ended.

Bill Redpath


On 2018-07-08 20:27, steven.nekhaila--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> I believe a Partial Block Voting system would be ideal for At-Large
> elections, with 7 open seats, and less than 7 votes per delegate,
> which would allow minority representation to rise with a higher
> likelihood of complete Party representation. That is of course, not up
> to the LNC, but I am hoping 2020 contains a formal review of our
> voting procedures as well as an electronic voting system.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Steven Nekhaila
> 
> On 2018-07-07 06:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Plurality v majority is not for us to decide.
>>    My objections were based on the fact that the delegates were rushed 
>> to
>>    believe there were only two options.
>>    There weren’t.
>>    In fact we easily could have done a rising vote to find majorities.
>>    There is nothing that can be done now but I do think we unduly
>>    influenced - innocently and with the best of intent, but still not
>>    appropriate.
>>    On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:50 PM kenneth.olsen--- via Lnc-business
>>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>      I agree with Nick on this one.  WHile I still support electronic
>>      voting,
>>      I agree that the At-Large elections should be based on plurality 
>> and
>>      not
>>      approval.  It would allow for better overall representation 
>> within
>>      the
>>      party.
>>      In Liberty,
>>      K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
>>      Alternate, Region 4
>>      559-960-3613
>>      On 2018-07-06 21:42, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
>>      > Dear All,
>>      >
>>      > Pursuant to the delegates suspension of the rules at convention
>>      after
>>      > overturning the ruling of the Chair, the top five vote-getters 
>> are
>>      > properly elected to the At-Large seats on the LNC by the 
>> delegates
>>      in
>>      > convention.  Objections to the procedure taken by the delegates
>>      are
>>      > out of order, as such objections have to be properly raised 
>> during
>>      the
>>      > convention session.
>>      >
>>      > As to the Judicial Committee, I'll defer to Chuck Moulton's
>>      analysis
>>      > and suggest that the LNC pass a motion that acknowledges the 
>> top
>>      seven
>>      > vote-getters as the Judicial Committee.
>>      >
>>      > There has been a lot of discussion about convention schedules,
>>      > electronic voting systems, errors in tallying, etc. These
>>      discussions
>>      > miss the point.  Using approval voting for a multi-member 
>> election
>>      > that does not allow for winning by plurality is likely the 
>> worst
>>      > possible election method to get At-Large members elected.
>>      >
>>      > In the past, we were allowed to vote for as many candidates as
>>      there
>>      > were positions available, and we rarely went to a second 
>> ballot.
>>      An
>>      > instant runoff or single transferable system would reallocate
>>      those
>>      > votes for candidates with minimal support.
>>      >
>>      > If the goal of At-Large members is to represent interest groups
>>      within
>>      > the Libertarian Party, we are using the wrong voting system.  
>> If
>>      it is
>>      > merely to determine who is most popular in the party, we are 
>> using
>>      the
>>      > correct system, but it will continue to produce results like 
>> we've
>>      had
>>      > two conventions in a row based on the nature of the system.
>>      >
>>      > In short, counting ballots faster doesn't matter if we're still
>>      voting
>>      > wrong.
>>      >
>>      > Yours truly,
>>      > Nick
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org