[Lnc-business] update on timing

Alicia Mattson alicia.mattson at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 04:22:41 EDT 2018


Caryn Ann,

I can't help but notice that you were fine with my tabulation of the
Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome of that one.
You're not rattling the cages about that, only about the one in which you
seem to be unhappy with the result.  You have recklessly asserted that "a
region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by this whole process", and that
carries some pretty unfair implications.

You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though heckling the person
doing the work will make it go faster.  Your offer to "assist" is not
practical, as any means for that to happen would necessarily make it take
longer, and thus it contradicts your other complaint that it isn't
happening fast enough.

You keep asking for a "timeline".  I previously informed you when I'd get
back home so I could start on it.  After my first day of working on it, I
updated on the substantial progress I made, indicated what was left to do,
and assured you that it is my top priority to complete as soon as I could.
Yet you're acting as though I have told you nothing and have done nothing
so far.  Today I finished the dozen states that I didn't get to yesterday.
Next I need to write up my notes and scan some supporting documents.
That's where things are, and it's where I'll pick up later today.

In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the finishing line,
you're portraying this as though the people requesting information are
being "ignored".  That's just not a rational description of the situation.

All of this just makes me think that this whole conversation is more about
generating noise than anything else.  Regardless, I'll finish the task soon
and then move on to the rest of my to-do list.

-Alicia




On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in this case.
>
>    And no one who ran should conduct it.
>
>    I continue to offer to assist.
>
>    There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and if anything
>    presented that way you have my abject apology.
>
>    What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a timeline.  I don’t
>    think that is unreasonable.  They feel like they are being ignored.
>
>    On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>         Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your hasty efforts
>      and
>         dedication in getting these items available as soon as you can.
>         Richard
>         On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>         <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>              Ms. Harlos,
>              I indicated before that I would be traveling with a full
>      schedule
>           and
>              only sporadic internet access, and would not return to my
>      more
>           normal
>              routine until Monday.  I got home from my trip Sunday night,
>      and
>              starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you started the
>      "Are
>           we
>              there yet?" messages about the At-Large details.  Then
>      throughout
>           the
>              day it became rather unfair characterizations that I was
>      saying
>           "well,
>              whenever" as though I'm blowing it off.  That tone is not
>           warranted nor
>              appreciated.
>              Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to the totals I
>      sent
>           do
>              exist, but providing that will not be the end of the story.
>      If
>           all I
>              send is that, immediately the questions will begin about the
>           instances
>              where those numbers vary from the delegation tally sheets
>      because
>           we
>              caught and corrected errors.  Then while I am researching to
>           answer
>              those questions, we all know the internet gossip will get
>      silly,
>           with
>              people not being careful to say only things they know to be
>      true
>           while
>              waiting on answers to the questions.
>              My usual practice is to do the post-convention audit as part
>      of
>              building the convention minutes, which is near the end of my
>           to-do list
>              after having updated other minutes with timing deadlines,
>      policy,
>              bylaws, platform, etc.  Instead, so I can answer most
>      questions
>           on
>              at-large before they are asked, because there was a very
>      close
>           outcome
>              that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of the At-Large
>      race
>           to do
>              it mostly first...though I did also send updated minutes to
>      meet
>           a
>              posting deadline and update the Policy Manual earlier.
>              When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll scan the
>      state
>           tally
>              sheets, plus provide my notes about what's different between
>      the
>           two
>              and why so that those questions can be addressed
>      simultaneously
>           in one
>              message, rather than being spread out in different places at
>           different
>              times where people might miss some of it.
>              You're well aware of how long it took a team of 10 people to
>      go
>           through
>              the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC meeting on July
>      2nd?
>           You
>              can deduce from that how long it takes one person to give
>      the
>           At-Large
>              the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment.  Today I spent a
>           LARGE
>              number of hours on the project.  I think I have about a
>      dozen
>           states
>              left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing up my
>      notes.
>           It
>              takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we there
>      yet?", but
>           it
>              takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
>              I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of the project
>      to
>           know
>              precisely how long I would get to work on it today, or how
>      long
>           it
>              would take to complete.  Rather than emailing the LNC every
>      30
>           minutes,
>              (and I haven't even taken time to comment on the two email
>           ballots yet,
>              though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing on just
>      getting
>           this
>              task done so I can move on to the next.  It is a high
>      priority on
>           my
>              list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
>              To others who have been asking about the rest of my to-do
>      list,
>           I'm
>              doing this project first.  In the case of adopted
>      resolutions,
>           please
>              recall that our convention forges ahead and adopts all sorts
>      of
>           things
>              from the floor while the Secretary is trying to tally
>      election
>              results.  I suppose I should be flattered that some believe
>      I can
>              document those fully on the fly while I'm simultaneously
>           aggregating
>              election results, and have completed minutes immediately
>           following
>              adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic.  I am a
>      human
>           who is
>              constrained by the laws of time and space.  I could only
>      make
>           sparse
>              notes about the nature of other proceedings while I was
>      working
>           on
>              elections, and when I start building the convention minutes,
>      I'll
>           have
>              to go back and review the recordings to verify that I caught
>      all
>           the
>              relevant details.  I have a large envelope of lots of things
>      that
>           were
>              submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was actually
>      voted
>           on,
>              verify that the written submission matches what the
>      delegates
>           were told
>              they were voting on, etc.
>              Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll get to
>      them all
>           as
>              soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at home with my
>      usual
>              workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to all happen
>              instantaneously.
>              -Alicia
>      References
>         1. mailto:[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
>    --
>
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>    - [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
-------------- next part --------------
   Caryn Ann,
   I can't help but notice that you were fine with my tabulation of the
   Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome of that
   one.  You're not rattling the cages about that, only about the one in
   which you seem to be unhappy with the result.  You have recklessly
   asserted that "a region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by this whole
   process", and that carries some pretty unfair implications.
   You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though heckling the
   person doing the work will make it go faster.  Your offer to "assist"
   is not practical, as any means for that to happen would necessarily
   make it take longer, and thus it contradicts your other complaint that
   it isn't happening fast enough.
   You keep asking for a "timeline".  I previously informed you when I'd
   get back home so I could start on it.  After my first day of working on
   it, I updated on the substantial progress I made, indicated what was
   left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority to complete as
   soon as I could.  Yet you're acting as though I have told you nothing
   and have done nothing so far.  Today I finished the dozen states that I
   didn't get to yesterday.  Next I need to write up my notes and scan
   some supporting documents.  That's where things are, and it's where
   I'll pick up later today.
   In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the finishing
   line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
   information are being "ignored".  That's just not a rational
   description of the situation.
   All of this just makes me think that this whole conversation is more
   about generating noise than anything else.  Regardless, I'll finish the
   task soon and then move on to the rest of my to-do list.
   -Alicia

   On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in this
     case.
        And no one who ran should conduct it.
        I continue to offer to assist.
        There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and if anything
        presented that way you have my abject apology.
        What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a timeline.  I
     don’t
        think that is unreasonable.  They feel like they are being
     ignored.
        On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via
     Lnc-business
        <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
             Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your hasty
     efforts
          and
             dedication in getting these items available as soon as you
     can.
             Richard
             On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business

           <[1][2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
                Ms. Harlos,
                I indicated before that I would be traveling with a full
        schedule
             and
                only sporadic internet access, and would not return to my
        more
             normal
                routine until Monday.  I got home from my trip Sunday
   night,
        and
                starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you started
   the
        "Are
             we
                there yet?" messages about the At-Large details.  Then
        throughout
             the
                day it became rather unfair characterizations that I was
        saying
             "well,
                whenever" as though I'm blowing it off.  That tone is not
             warranted nor
                appreciated.
                Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to the totals
   I
        sent
             do
                exist, but providing that will not be the end of the
   story.
        If
             all I
                send is that, immediately the questions will begin about
   the
             instances
                where those numbers vary from the delegation tally sheets
        because
             we
                caught and corrected errors.  Then while I am researching
   to
             answer
                those questions, we all know the internet gossip will get
        silly,
             with
                people not being careful to say only things they know to
   be
        true
             while
                waiting on answers to the questions.
                My usual practice is to do the post-convention audit as
   part
        of
                building the convention minutes, which is near the end of
   my
             to-do list
                after having updated other minutes with timing deadlines,
        policy,
                bylaws, platform, etc.  Instead, so I can answer most
        questions
             on
                at-large before they are asked, because there was a very
        close
             outcome
                that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of the
   At-Large
        race
             to do
                it mostly first...though I did also send updated minutes
   to
        meet
             a
                posting deadline and update the Policy Manual earlier.
                When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll scan the
        state
             tally
                sheets, plus provide my notes about what's different
   between
        the
             two
                and why so that those questions can be addressed
        simultaneously
             in one
                message, rather than being spread out in different places
   at
             different
                times where people might miss some of it.
                You're well aware of how long it took a team of 10 people
   to
        go
             through
                the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC meeting on July
        2nd?
             You
                can deduce from that how long it takes one person to give
        the
             At-Large
                the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment.  Today I spent
   a
             LARGE
                number of hours on the project.  I think I have about a
        dozen
             states
                left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing up my
        notes.
             It
                takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we there
        yet?", but
             it
                takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
                I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of the project
        to
             know
                precisely how long I would get to work on it today, or how
        long
             it
                would take to complete.  Rather than emailing the LNC
   every
        30
             minutes,
                (and I haven't even taken time to comment on the two email
             ballots yet,
                though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing on just
        getting
             this
                task done so I can move on to the next.  It is a high
        priority on
             my
                list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
                To others who have been asking about the rest of my to-do
        list,
             I'm
                doing this project first.  In the case of adopted
        resolutions,
             please
                recall that our convention forges ahead and adopts all
   sorts
        of
             things
                from the floor while the Secretary is trying to tally
        election
                results.  I suppose I should be flattered that some
   believe
        I can
                document those fully on the fly while I'm simultaneously
             aggregating
                election results, and have completed minutes immediately
             following
                adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic.  I am a
        human
             who is
                constrained by the laws of time and space.  I could only
        make
             sparse
                notes about the nature of other proceedings while I was
        working
             on
                elections, and when I start building the convention
   minutes,
        I'll
             have
                to go back and review the recordings to verify that I
   caught
        all
             the
                relevant details.  I have a large envelope of lots of
   things
        that
             were
                submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was actually
        voted
             on,
                verify that the written submission matches what the
        delegates
             were told
                they were voting on, etc.
                Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll get to
        them all
             as
                soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at home with
   my
        usual
                workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to all
   happen
                instantaneously.
                -Alicia

          References
             1. mailto:[3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
     References
        1. mailto:[5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        2. mailto:[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        3. mailto:[7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org


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