[Lnc-business] update on timing
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 08:19:16 EDT 2018
I think a practice of an independent audit of all votes should be our
practice.
But particularly in the At-Large (and JC) there was no even cursory visual
audit by the delegates with a state by state spreadsheet like in the other
races.
But in races where we suspended the rules so we already don't have a
majority vote and the margin is so thin, an audit before declaring results
should be standard practice.
And no this has nothing to do with not liking the results. I don't have an
issue with the results -- and am thrilled that Joshua won a seat as he put
his heart into the chair race and I would like to see him trained up for
more roles.
This is about transparency and electoral integrity.
No one should be made to feel bad or uncomfortable in asking for an audit.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:54 AM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Eh. I forgot to put in I would Co-Sponsor this.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 6:22 AM
> To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: Richard Longstreth;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] update on timing
> I have been in contact with at least one state chair in the last 6 hours
> who has asked why we aren't doing an independent audit and his thoughts
> resonate with my own in terms of transparency and fairness.
>
> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an election by
> a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am interested in preserving
> the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do this is with an independent
> audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I think it proper that she
> turns the task over.
>
> I motion to see that the LNC would have an audit of the At Large ballots
> done by an independent auditor, ie someone not in the race. Do I have
> co-sponsors?
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 02:15 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <[3]
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Alicia,
> > == I can't help but notice that you were fine with my tabulation of
> > the
> > Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome of
> that
> > one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about the one
> > in
> > which you seem to be unhappy with the result. ==
> > I am not unhappy with the result. I am unhappy with the way it was
> > handled. Please don't make accusations or assumptions. I hope all of
> > the races are audited and anyone in those races should not be involved
> > with that. I am sure you agree that margins of less than 20 votes are
> > significantly different than margins of 150 votes.
> > == You have recklessly asserted that "a region 1 candidate was pretty
> > screwed by this whole process", and that carries some pretty unfair
> > implications.==
> > The implications are that the At-Large candidates, which include a
> > region 1 candidate, were not proper. I have asserted that from the
> > beginning.
> > == You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though heckling
> > the person doing the work will make it go faster. ===
> > Alicia, now you are going overboard. I am entitled to ask, and that
> is
> > not heckling. I already begged your forgiveness if the intent came
> off
> > differently but now you are attacking me. I am not complaining you
> are
> > not done. I am asking for a timeframe. That is all. You could take
> > three months and I think that is reasonable.
> > == Your offer to "assist" is not practical, as any means for that to
> > happen would necessarily make it take longer, and thus it contradicts
> > your other complaint that it isn't happening fast enough.==
> > First I never complained it is not happening fast enough. And second,
> > it would seem desirable for me to assist to learn what you are doing.
> > That is part of a standard hand-off practice.
> > == You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed you when
> > I'd get back home so I could start on it. After my first day of
> > working on t, I updated on the substantial progress I made, indicated
> > what was left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority to
> > complete as soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I have told
> > you nothing and have done nothing so far. ==
> > I am getting asked and asked and asked by members for a timeline. I
> > think you are reading into things that are not there. I have no doubt
> > that you have done an immense amount. I am not sure where this is
> > coming from, but it is not accurate.
> > ==In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the finishing
> > line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
> > information are being "ignored".==
> > The Utah Chair would like a timeline. He feels ignored.
> > And I don't think a timeline is unreasonable - such as "Dr. Buchman
> you
> > can expect that in two weeks."
> > That is all I am asking. I think this going on the attack here is not
> > appropriate. If *I* have one complaint (that is not transmitting a
> > complaint from a member) it would be that I should be included on this
> > process. That is part of training and handoff. And yes that may mean
> > things will take a little bit longer and that can be blamed totally on
> > me.
> > There is no need to go on the attack. I am not attacking you. I
> don't
> > attack you. I have only the utmost respect and admiration for your
> > skills as I have said numerous times which is one reason I do want to
> > be included in the process for training purposes.
> > I am not attacking you. Please stop attacking me. None of this is
> > productive. I already apologized if the tone of other requests came
> > off wrong. Please accept that.
> > However, a timeline is not unreasonable and I am requesting that on
> > behalf of members who keep asking me. A request that people involved
> > in an election not be involved in the recount is not unreasonable, in
> > fact, I am rather shocked that is not standard practice so I am
> > requesting an independent audit of any race in which an auditor was
> > also a candidate We would expect this of other organizations.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:22 AM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> > <[1[4]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Caryn Ann,
> > I can't help but notice that you were fine with my tabulation of
> > the
> > Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome of
> > that
> > one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about the
> > one in
> > which you seem to be unhappy with the result. You have
> > recklessly
> > asserted that "a region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by this
> > whole
> > process", and that carries some pretty unfair implications.
> > You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though heckling
> > the
> > person doing the work will make it go faster. Your offer to
> > "assist"
> > is not practical, as any means for that to happen would
> > necessarily
> > make it take longer, and thus it contradicts your other complaint
> > that
> > it isn't happening fast enough.
> > You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed you when
> > I'd
> > get back home so I could start on it. After my first day of
> > working on
> > it, I updated on the substantial progress I made, indicated what
> > was
> > left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority to
> > complete as
> > soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I have told you
> > nothing
> > and have done nothing so far. Today I finished the dozen states
> > that I
> > didn't get to yesterday. Next I need to write up my notes and
> > scan
> > some supporting documents. That's where things are, and it's
> > where
> > I'll pick up later today.
> > In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the
> > finishing
> > line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
> > information are being "ignored". That's just not a rational
> > description of the situation.
> > All of this just makes me think that this whole conversation is
> > more
> > about generating noise than anything else. Regardless, I'll
> > finish the
> > task soon and then move on to the rest of my to-do list.
> > -Alicia
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > Lnc-business
> > <[1][2[5]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in this
> > case.
> > And no one who ran should conduct it.
> > I continue to offer to assist.
> > There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and if
> > anything
> > presented that way you have my abject apology.
> > What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a
> > timeline. I
> > don’t
> > think that is unreasonable. They feel like they are being
> > ignored.
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via
> > Lnc-business
> > <[1][2][3[6]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your hasty
> > efforts
> > and
> > dedication in getting these items available as soon as
> > you
> > can.
> > Richard
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via
> > Lnc-business
> >
> > <[1][2][3][4[7]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > Ms. Harlos,
> > I indicated before that I would be traveling with a
> > full
> > schedule
> > and
> > only sporadic internet access, and would not return to
> > my
> > more
> > normal
> > routine until Monday. I got home from my trip Sunday
> > night,
> > and
> > starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you
> started
> > the
> > "Are
> > we
> > there yet?" messages about the At-Large details. Then
> > throughout
> > the
> > day it became rather unfair characterizations that I
> > was
> > saying
> > "well,
> > whenever" as though I'm blowing it off. That tone is
> > not
> > warranted nor
> > appreciated.
> > Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to the
> > totals
> > I
> > sent
> > do
> > exist, but providing that will not be the end of the
> > story.
> > If
> > all I
> > send is that, immediately the questions will begin
> > about
> > the
> > instances
> > where those numbers vary from the delegation tally
> > sheets
> > because
> > we
> > caught and corrected errors. Then while I am
> > researching
> > to
> > answer
> > those questions, we all know the internet gossip will
> > get
> > silly,
> > with
> > people not being careful to say only things they know
> > to
> > be
> > true
> > while
> > waiting on answers to the questions.
> > My usual practice is to do the post-convention audit
> as
> > part
> > of
> > building the convention minutes, which is near the end
> > of
> > my
> > to-do list
> > after having updated other minutes with timing
> > deadlines,
> > policy,
> > bylaws, platform, etc. Instead, so I can answer most
> > questions
> > on
> > at-large before they are asked, because there was a
> > very
> > close
> > outcome
> > that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of the
> > At-Large
> > race
> > to do
> > it mostly first...though I did also send updated
> > minutes
> > to
> > meet
> > a
> > posting deadline and update the Policy Manual earlier.
> > When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll scan
> > the
> > state
> > tally
> > sheets, plus provide my notes about what's different
> > between
> > the
> > two
> > and why so that those questions can be addressed
> > simultaneously
> > in one
> > message, rather than being spread out in different
> > places
> > at
> > different
> > times where people might miss some of it.
> > You're well aware of how long it took a team of 10
> > people
> > to
> > go
> > through
> > the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC meeting on
> > July
> > 2nd?
> > You
> > can deduce from that how long it takes one person to
> > give
> > the
> > At-Large
> > the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment. Today I
> > spent
> > a
> > LARGE
> > number of hours on the project. I think I have about
> a
> > dozen
> > states
> > left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing up
> my
> > notes.
> > It
> > takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we there
> > yet?", but
> > it
> > takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
> > I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of the
> > project
> > to
> > know
> > precisely how long I would get to work on it today, or
> > how
> > long
> > it
> > would take to complete. Rather than emailing the LNC
> > every
> > 30
> > minutes,
> > (and I haven't even taken time to comment on the two
> > email
> > ballots yet,
> > though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing on
> just
> > getting
> > this
> > task done so I can move on to the next. It is a high
> > priority on
> > my
> > list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
> > To others who have been asking about the rest of my
> > to-do
> > list,
> > I'm
> > doing this project first. In the case of adopted
> > resolutions,
> > please
> > recall that our convention forges ahead and adopts all
> > sorts
> > of
> > things
> > from the floor while the Secretary is trying to tally
> > election
> > results. I suppose I should be flattered that some
> > believe
> > I can
> > document those fully on the fly while I'm
> > simultaneously
> > aggregating
> > election results, and have completed minutes
> > immediately
> > following
> > adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic. I am
> > a
> > human
> > who is
> > constrained by the laws of time and space. I could
> > only
> > make
> > sparse
> > notes about the nature of other proceedings while I
> was
> > working
> > on
> > elections, and when I start building the convention
> > minutes,
> > I'll
> > have
> > to go back and review the recordings to verify that I
> > caught
> > all
> > the
> > relevant details. I have a large envelope of lots of
> > things
> > that
> > were
> > submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was
> > actually
> > voted
> > on,
> > verify that the written submission matches what the
> > delegates
> > were told
> > they were voting on, etc.
> > Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll get
> > to
> > them all
> > as
> > soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at home
> > with
> > my
> > usual
> > workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to all
> > happen
> > instantaneously.
> > -Alicia
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[3][4][5[8]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> > Secretary
> > - [4][9]Caryn.Ann.[10] Harlos at LP.org or[11]
> Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[12]
> LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[5][6[13]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[6][7[14]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[7][8[15]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 4. mailto:[8[16]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[9[17]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[10[18]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[11[19]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 4. mailto:[12[20]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 5. mailto:[13[21]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 6. mailto:[14[22]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 7. mailto:[15[23]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 8. mailto:[16[24]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > - [17][25]Caryn.Ann.[26] Harlos at LP.org or[27] Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[28] LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto[29]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto[30]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. mailto[31]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 4. mailto[32]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 5. mailto[33]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 6. mailto[34]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 7. mailto[35]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 8. mailto[36]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 9. mailto[37]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 10. mailto[38]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 11. mailto[39]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 12. mailto[40]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 13. mailto[41]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 14. mailto[42]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 15. mailto[43]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 16. mailto[44]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 17. mailto[45]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
>
> I have been in contact with at least one state chair in the last 6
> hours who has asked why we aren't doing an independent audit and his
> thoughts resonate with my own in terms of transparency and fairness.
>
> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am interested
> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do this is
> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I think
> it proper that she turns the task over.
>
> I motion to see that the LNC would have an audit of the At Large
> ballots done by an independent auditor, ie someone not in the race. Do
> I have co-sponsors?
>
> Richard Longstreth
>
> Region 1
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 02:15 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <[1[46]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Alicia,
> == I can't help but notice that you were fine with my tabulation
> of
> the
> Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome
> of that
> one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about the
> one
> in
> which you seem to be unhappy with the result. ==
> I am not unhappy with the result. I am unhappy with the way it
> was
> handled. Please don't make accusations or assumptions. I hope
> all of
> the races are audited and anyone in those races should not be
> involved
> with that. I am sure you agree that margins of less than 20
> votes are
> significantly different than margins of 150 votes.
> == You have recklessly asserted that "a region 1 candidate was
> pretty
> screwed by this whole process", and that carries some pretty
> unfair
> implications.==
> The implications are that the At-Large candidates, which include
> a
> region 1 candidate, were not proper. I have asserted that from
> the
> beginning.
> == You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though
> heckling
> the person doing the work will make it go faster. ===
> Alicia, now you are going overboard. I am entitled to ask, and
> that is
> not heckling. I already begged your forgiveness if the intent
> came off
> differently but now you are attacking me. I am not complaining
> you are
> not done. I am asking for a timeframe. That is all. You could
> take
> three months and I think that is reasonable.
> == Your offer to "assist" is not practical, as any means for that
> to
> happen would necessarily make it take longer, and thus it
> contradicts
> your other complaint that it isn't happening fast enough.==
> First I never complained it is not happening fast enough. And
> second,
> it would seem desirable for me to assist to learn what you are
> doing.
> That is part of a standard hand-off practice.
> == You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed you
> when
> I'd get back home so I could start on it. After my first day of
> working on t, I updated on the substantial progress I made,
> indicated
> what was left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority
> to
> complete as soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I have
> told
> you nothing and have done nothing so far. ==
> I am getting asked and asked and asked by members for a
> timeline. I
> think you are reading into things that are not there. I have no
> doubt
> that you have done an immense amount. I am not sure where this
> is
> coming from, but it is not accurate.
> ==In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the
> finishing
> line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
> information are being "ignored".==
> The Utah Chair would like a timeline. He feels ignored.
> And I don't think a timeline is unreasonable - such as "Dr.
> Buchman you
> can expect that in two weeks."
> That is all I am asking. I think this going on the attack here
> is not
> appropriate. If *I* have one complaint (that is not transmitting
> a
> complaint from a member) it would be that I should be included on
> this
> process. That is part of training and handoff. And yes that may
> mean
> things will take a little bit longer and that can be blamed
> totally on
> me.
> There is no need to go on the attack. I am not attacking you. I
> don't
> attack you. I have only the utmost respect and admiration for
> your
> skills as I have said numerous times which is one reason I do
> want to
> be included in the process for training purposes.
> I am not attacking you. Please stop attacking me. None of this
> is
> productive. I already apologized if the tone of other requests
> came
> off wrong. Please accept that.
> However, a timeline is not unreasonable and I am requesting that
> on
> behalf of members who keep asking me. A request that people
> involved
> in an election not be involved in the recount is not
> unreasonable, in
> fact, I am rather shocked that is not standard practice so I am
> requesting an independent audit of any race in which an auditor
> was
> also a candidate We would expect this of other organizations.
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:22 AM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[1][2[47]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Caryn Ann,
> I can't help but notice that you were fine with my
> tabulation of
> the
> Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome
> of
> that
> one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about
> the
> one in
> which you seem to be unhappy with the result. You have
> recklessly
> asserted that "a region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by
> this
> whole
> process", and that carries some pretty unfair implications.
> You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though
> heckling
> the
> person doing the work will make it go faster. Your offer to
> "assist"
> is not practical, as any means for that to happen would
> necessarily
> make it take longer, and thus it contradicts your other
> complaint
> that
> it isn't happening fast enough.
> You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed you
> when
> I'd
> get back home so I could start on it. After my first day of
> working on
> it, I updated on the substantial progress I made, indicated
> what
> was
> left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority to
> complete as
> soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I have told
> you
> nothing
> and have done nothing so far. Today I finished the dozen
> states
> that I
> didn't get to yesterday. Next I need to write up my notes
> and
> scan
> some supporting documents. That's where things are, and
> it's
> where
> I'll pick up later today.
> In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the
> finishing
> line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
> information are being "ignored". That's just not a rational
> description of the situation.
> All of this just makes me think that this whole conversation
> is
> more
> about generating noise than anything else. Regardless, I'll
> finish the
> task soon and then move on to the rest of my to-do list.
> -Alicia
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][2][3[48]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in
> this
> case.
> And no one who ran should conduct it.
> I continue to offer to assist.
> There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and
> if
> anything
> presented that way you have my abject apology.
> What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a
> timeline. I
> don’t
> think that is unreasonable. They feel like they are
> being
> ignored.
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][2][3][4[49]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your
> hasty
> efforts
> and
> dedication in getting these items available as
> soon as
> you
> can.
> Richard
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][2][3][4][5[50]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Ms. Harlos,
> I indicated before that I would be traveling with
> a
> full
> schedule
> and
> only sporadic internet access, and would not
> return to
> my
> more
> normal
> routine until Monday. I got home from my trip
> Sunday
> night,
> and
> starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you
> started
> the
> "Are
> we
> there yet?" messages about the At-Large details.
> Then
> throughout
> the
> day it became rather unfair characterizations
> that I
> was
> saying
> "well,
> whenever" as though I'm blowing it off. That
> tone is
> not
> warranted nor
> appreciated.
> Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to
> the
> totals
> I
> sent
> do
> exist, but providing that will not be the end of
> the
> story.
> If
> all I
> send is that, immediately the questions will
> begin
> about
> the
> instances
> where those numbers vary from the delegation
> tally
> sheets
> because
> we
> caught and corrected errors. Then while I am
> researching
> to
> answer
> those questions, we all know the internet gossip
> will
> get
> silly,
> with
> people not being careful to say only things they
> know
> to
> be
> true
> while
> waiting on answers to the questions.
> My usual practice is to do the post-convention
> audit as
> part
> of
> building the convention minutes, which is near
> the end
> of
> my
> to-do list
> after having updated other minutes with timing
> deadlines,
> policy,
> bylaws, platform, etc. Instead, so I can answer
> most
> questions
> on
> at-large before they are asked, because there was
> a
> very
> close
> outcome
> that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of
> the
> At-Large
> race
> to do
> it mostly first...though I did also send updated
> minutes
> to
> meet
> a
> posting deadline and update the Policy Manual
> earlier.
> When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll
> scan
> the
> state
> tally
> sheets, plus provide my notes about what's
> different
> between
> the
> two
> and why so that those questions can be addressed
> simultaneously
> in one
> message, rather than being spread out in
> different
> places
> at
> different
> times where people might miss some of it.
> You're well aware of how long it took a team of
> 10
> people
> to
> go
> through
> the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC
> meeting on
> July
> 2nd?
> You
> can deduce from that how long it takes one person
> to
> give
> the
> At-Large
> the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment.
> Today I
> spent
> a
> LARGE
> number of hours on the project. I think I have
> about a
> dozen
> states
> left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing
> up my
> notes.
> It
> takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we
> there
> yet?", but
> it
> takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
> I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of
> the
> project
> to
> know
> precisely how long I would get to work on it
> today, or
> how
> long
> it
> would take to complete. Rather than emailing the
> LNC
> every
> 30
> minutes,
> (and I haven't even taken time to comment on the
> two
> email
> ballots yet,
> though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing
> on just
> getting
> this
> task done so I can move on to the next. It is a
> high
> priority on
> my
> list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
> To others who have been asking about the rest of
> my
> to-do
> list,
> I'm
> doing this project first. In the case of adopted
> resolutions,
> please
> recall that our convention forges ahead and
> adopts all
> sorts
> of
> things
> from the floor while the Secretary is trying to
> tally
> election
> results. I suppose I should be flattered that
> some
> believe
> I can
> document those fully on the fly while I'm
> simultaneously
> aggregating
> election results, and have completed minutes
> immediately
> following
> adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic.
> I am
> a
> human
> who is
> constrained by the laws of time and space. I
> could
> only
> make
> sparse
> notes about the nature of other proceedings while
> I was
> working
> on
> elections, and when I start building the
> convention
> minutes,
> I'll
> have
> to go back and review the recordings to verify
> that I
> caught
> all
> the
> relevant details. I have a large envelope of
> lots of
> things
> that
> were
> submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was
> actually
> voted
> on,
> verify that the written submission matches what
> the
> delegates
> were told
> they were voting on, etc.
> Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll
> get
> to
> them all
> as
> soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at
> home
> with
> my
> usual
> workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to
> all
> happen
> instantaneously.
> -Alicia
> References
> 1. mailto:[3][4][5][6[51]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> - [4][52]Caryn.Ann.[53] Harlos at LP.org or[54]
> Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> [55] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[5][6][7[56]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[6][7][8[57]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[7][8][9[58]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[8[59]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[9][10[60]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[10][11[61]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[11][12[62]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[12][13[63]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:[13][14[64]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:[14][15[65]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:[15][16[66]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. mailto:[16[67]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [17][68]Caryn.Ann.[69] Harlos at LP.org or[70] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[71] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[17[72]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[18[73]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[19[74]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[20[75]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:[21[76]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:[22[77]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:[23[78]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. mailto:[24[79]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. mailto:[25[80]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 10. mailto:[26[81]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto:[27[82]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 13. mailto:[29[84]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto:[30[85]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 15. mailto:[31[86]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 16. mailto:[32[87]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 17. mailto:[33[88]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[89]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto[90]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto[91]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 26. mailto[114]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 29. mailto[117]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 30. mailto[118]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 31. mailto[119]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 32. mailto[120]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 33. mailto[121]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:217-412-5973
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. http://Caryn.An/
> 10. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 11. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
> 12. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
> 13. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 15. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 16. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 17. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 18. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 23. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 24. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 25. http://Caryn.An/
> 26. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 27. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
> 28. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
> 29. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 30. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 52. http://Caryn.An/
> 53. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 54. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
> 55. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
> 56. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 57. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 67. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 68. http://Caryn.An/
> 69. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 70. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
> 71. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
> 72. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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I think a practice of an independent audit of all votes should be our
practice.
But particularly in the At-Large (and JC) there was no even cursory
visual audit by the delegates with a state by state spreadsheet like in
the other races.
But in races where we suspended the rules so we already don't have a
majority vote and the margin is so thin, an audit before declaring
results should be standard practice.
And no this has nothing to do with not liking the results. I don't
have an issue with the results -- and am thrilled that Joshua won a
seat as he put his heart into the chair race and I would like to see
him trained up for more roles.
This is about transparency and electoral integrity.
No one should be made to feel bad or uncomfortable in asking for an
audit.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:54 AM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Eh. I forgot to put in I would Co-Sponsor this.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 6:22 AM
To: [2][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Richard Longstreth;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] update on timing
I have been in contact with at least one state chair in the last 6
hours
who has asked why we aren't doing an independent audit and his thoughts
resonate with my own in terms of transparency and fairness.
Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
election by
a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am interested in
preserving
the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do this is with an
independent
audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I think it proper that she
turns the task over.
I motion to see that the LNC would have an audit of the At Large
ballots
done by an independent auditor, ie someone not in the race. Do I have
co-sponsors?
Richard Longstreth
Region 1
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 02:15 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <[3]
[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Hi Alicia,
> == I can't help but notice that you were fine with my tabulation
of
> the
> Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome of
that
> one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about the
one
> in
> which you seem to be unhappy with the result. ==
> I am not unhappy with the result. I am unhappy with the way it
was
> handled. Please don't make accusations or assumptions. I hope
all of
> the races are audited and anyone in those races should not be
involved
> with that. I am sure you agree that margins of less than 20 votes
are
> significantly different than margins of 150 votes.
> == You have recklessly asserted that "a region 1 candidate was
pretty
> screwed by this whole process", and that carries some pretty
unfair
> implications.==
> The implications are that the At-Large candidates, which include a
> region 1 candidate, were not proper. I have asserted that from
the
> beginning.
> == You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though heckling
> the person doing the work will make it go faster. ===
> Alicia, now you are going overboard. I am entitled to ask, and
that is
> not heckling. I already begged your forgiveness if the intent
came off
> differently but now you are attacking me. I am not complaining
you are
> not done. I am asking for a timeframe. That is all. You could
take
> three months and I think that is reasonable.
> == Your offer to "assist" is not practical, as any means for that
to
> happen would necessarily make it take longer, and thus it
contradicts
> your other complaint that it isn't happening fast enough.==
> First I never complained it is not happening fast enough. And
second,
> it would seem desirable for me to assist to learn what you are
doing.
> That is part of a standard hand-off practice.
> == You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed you
when
> I'd get back home so I could start on it. After my first day of
> working on t, I updated on the substantial progress I made,
indicated
> what was left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority to
> complete as soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I have
told
> you nothing and have done nothing so far. ==
> I am getting asked and asked and asked by members for a timeline.
I
> think you are reading into things that are not there. I have no
doubt
> that you have done an immense amount. I am not sure where this is
> coming from, but it is not accurate.
> ==In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the
finishing
> line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
> information are being "ignored".==
> The Utah Chair would like a timeline. He feels ignored.
> And I don't think a timeline is unreasonable - such as "Dr.
Buchman you
> can expect that in two weeks."
> That is all I am asking. I think this going on the attack here is
not
> appropriate. If *I* have one complaint (that is not transmitting
a
> complaint from a member) it would be that I should be included on
this
> process. That is part of training and handoff. And yes that may
mean
> things will take a little bit longer and that can be blamed
totally on
> me.
> There is no need to go on the attack. I am not attacking you. I
don't
> attack you. I have only the utmost respect and admiration for
your
> skills as I have said numerous times which is one reason I do want
to
> be included in the process for training purposes.
> I am not attacking you. Please stop attacking me. None of this
is
> productive. I already apologized if the tone of other requests
came
> off wrong. Please accept that.
> However, a timeline is not unreasonable and I am requesting that
on
> behalf of members who keep asking me. A request that people
involved
> in an election not be involved in the recount is not unreasonable,
in
> fact, I am rather shocked that is not standard practice so I am
> requesting an independent audit of any race in which an auditor
was
> also a candidate We would expect this of other organizations.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:22 AM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[1[4]][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann,
> I can't help but notice that you were fine with my tabulation
of
> the
> Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome
of
> that
> one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about
the
> one in
> which you seem to be unhappy with the result. You have
> recklessly
> asserted that "a region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by
this
> whole
> process", and that carries some pretty unfair implications.
> You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though
heckling
> the
> person doing the work will make it go faster. Your offer to
> "assist"
> is not practical, as any means for that to happen would
> necessarily
> make it take longer, and thus it contradicts your other
complaint
> that
> it isn't happening fast enough.
> You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed you
when
> I'd
> get back home so I could start on it. After my first day of
> working on
> it, I updated on the substantial progress I made, indicated
what
> was
> left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority to
> complete as
> soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I have told you
> nothing
> and have done nothing so far. Today I finished the dozen
states
> that I
> didn't get to yesterday. Next I need to write up my notes
and
> scan
> some supporting documents. That's where things are, and it's
> where
> I'll pick up later today.
> In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the
> finishing
> line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
> information are being "ignored". That's just not a rational
> description of the situation.
> All of this just makes me think that this whole conversation
is
> more
> about generating noise than anything else. Regardless, I'll
> finish the
> task soon and then move on to the rest of my to-do list.
> -Alicia
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][2[5]][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in
this
> case.
> And no one who ran should conduct it.
> I continue to offer to assist.
> There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and if
> anything
> presented that way you have my abject apology.
> What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a
> timeline. I
> don’t
> think that is unreasonable. They feel like they are
being
> ignored.
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][2][3[6]][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your
hasty
> efforts
> and
> dedication in getting these items available as soon
as
> you
> can.
> Richard
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via
> Lnc-business
>
> <[1][2][3][4[7]][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Ms. Harlos,
> I indicated before that I would be traveling with
a
> full
> schedule
> and
> only sporadic internet access, and would not
return to
> my
> more
> normal
> routine until Monday. I got home from my trip
Sunday
> night,
> and
> starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you
started
> the
> "Are
> we
> there yet?" messages about the At-Large details.
Then
> throughout
> the
> day it became rather unfair characterizations that
I
> was
> saying
> "well,
> whenever" as though I'm blowing it off. That tone
is
> not
> warranted nor
> appreciated.
> Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to the
> totals
> I
> sent
> do
> exist, but providing that will not be the end of
the
> story.
> If
> all I
> send is that, immediately the questions will begin
> about
> the
> instances
> where those numbers vary from the delegation tally
> sheets
> because
> we
> caught and corrected errors. Then while I am
> researching
> to
> answer
> those questions, we all know the internet gossip
will
> get
> silly,
> with
> people not being careful to say only things they
know
> to
> be
> true
> while
> waiting on answers to the questions.
> My usual practice is to do the post-convention
audit as
> part
> of
> building the convention minutes, which is near the
end
> of
> my
> to-do list
> after having updated other minutes with timing
> deadlines,
> policy,
> bylaws, platform, etc. Instead, so I can answer
most
> questions
> on
> at-large before they are asked, because there was
a
> very
> close
> outcome
> that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of
the
> At-Large
> race
> to do
> it mostly first...though I did also send updated
> minutes
> to
> meet
> a
> posting deadline and update the Policy Manual
earlier.
> When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll
scan
> the
> state
> tally
> sheets, plus provide my notes about what's
different
> between
> the
> two
> and why so that those questions can be addressed
> simultaneously
> in one
> message, rather than being spread out in different
> places
> at
> different
> times where people might miss some of it.
> You're well aware of how long it took a team of 10
> people
> to
> go
> through
> the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC meeting
on
> July
> 2nd?
> You
> can deduce from that how long it takes one person
to
> give
> the
> At-Large
> the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment. Today
I
> spent
> a
> LARGE
> number of hours on the project. I think I have
about a
> dozen
> states
> left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing
up my
> notes.
> It
> takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we
there
> yet?", but
> it
> takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
> I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of the
> project
> to
> know
> precisely how long I would get to work on it
today, or
> how
> long
> it
> would take to complete. Rather than emailing the
LNC
> every
> 30
> minutes,
> (and I haven't even taken time to comment on the
two
> email
> ballots yet,
> though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing on
just
> getting
> this
> task done so I can move on to the next. It is a
high
> priority on
> my
> list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
> To others who have been asking about the rest of
my
> to-do
> list,
> I'm
> doing this project first. In the case of adopted
> resolutions,
> please
> recall that our convention forges ahead and adopts
all
> sorts
> of
> things
> from the floor while the Secretary is trying to
tally
> election
> results. I suppose I should be flattered that
some
> believe
> I can
> document those fully on the fly while I'm
> simultaneously
> aggregating
> election results, and have completed minutes
> immediately
> following
> adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic.
I am
> a
> human
> who is
> constrained by the laws of time and space. I
could
> only
> make
> sparse
> notes about the nature of other proceedings while
I was
> working
> on
> elections, and when I start building the
convention
> minutes,
> I'll
> have
> to go back and review the recordings to verify
that I
> caught
> all
> the
> relevant details. I have a large envelope of lots
of
> things
> that
> were
> submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was
> actually
> voted
> on,
> verify that the written submission matches what
the
> delegates
> were told
> they were voting on, etc.
> Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll
get
> to
> them all
> as
> soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at
home
> with
> my
> usual
> workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to
all
> happen
> instantaneously.
> -Alicia
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[3][4][5[8]][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> - [4][9]Caryn.Ann.[10] Harlos at LP.org or[11]
Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[12]
LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[5][6[13]][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[6][7[14]][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[7][8[15]][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[8[16]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[9[17]][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[10[18]][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[11[19]][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[12[20]][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:[13[21]][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:[14[22]][17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:[15[23]][18]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. mailto:[16[24]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [17][25]Caryn.Ann.[26] Harlos at LP.org or[27] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[28] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[29]:[19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto[30]:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto[31]:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto[32]:[22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto[33]:[23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto[34]:[24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto[35]:[25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. mailto[36]:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. mailto[37]:[27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 10. mailto[38]:[28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 11. mailto[39]:[29]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 12. mailto[40]:[30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 13. mailto[41]:[31]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto[42]:[32]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 15. mailto[43]:[33]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 16. mailto[44]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 17. mailto[45]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
I have been in contact with at least one state chair in the last 6
hours who has asked why we aren't doing an independent audit and his
thoughts resonate with my own in terms of transparency and fairness.
Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
interested
in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do this
is
with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I
think
it proper that she turns the task over.
I motion to see that the LNC would have an audit of the At Large
ballots done by an independent auditor, ie someone not in the race.
Do
I have co-sponsors?
Richard Longstreth
Region 1
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 02:15 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1[46]][34]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Hi Alicia,
== I can't help but notice that you were fine with my
tabulation
of
the
Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the outcome
of that
one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about
the
one
in
which you seem to be unhappy with the result. ==
I am not unhappy with the result. I am unhappy with the way it
was
handled. Please don't make accusations or assumptions. I hope
all of
the races are audited and anyone in those races should not be
involved
with that. I am sure you agree that margins of less than 20
votes are
significantly different than margins of 150 votes.
== You have recklessly asserted that "a region 1 candidate was
pretty
screwed by this whole process", and that carries some pretty
unfair
implications.==
The implications are that the At-Large candidates, which
include
a
region 1 candidate, were not proper. I have asserted that from
the
beginning.
== You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though
heckling
the person doing the work will make it go faster. ===
Alicia, now you are going overboard. I am entitled to ask, and
that is
not heckling. I already begged your forgiveness if the intent
came off
differently but now you are attacking me. I am not complaining
you are
not done. I am asking for a timeframe. That is all. You
could
take
three months and I think that is reasonable.
== Your offer to "assist" is not practical, as any means for
that
to
happen would necessarily make it take longer, and thus it
contradicts
your other complaint that it isn't happening fast enough.==
First I never complained it is not happening fast enough. And
second,
it would seem desirable for me to assist to learn what you are
doing.
That is part of a standard hand-off practice.
== You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed you
when
I'd get back home so I could start on it. After my first day
of
working on t, I updated on the substantial progress I made,
indicated
what was left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority
to
complete as soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I
have
told
you nothing and have done nothing so far. ==
I am getting asked and asked and asked by members for a
timeline. I
think you are reading into things that are not there. I have
no
doubt
that you have done an immense amount. I am not sure where this
is
coming from, but it is not accurate.
==In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the
finishing
line, you're portraying this as though the people requesting
information are being "ignored".==
The Utah Chair would like a timeline. He feels ignored.
And I don't think a timeline is unreasonable - such as "Dr.
Buchman you
can expect that in two weeks."
That is all I am asking. I think this going on the attack here
is not
appropriate. If *I* have one complaint (that is not
transmitting
a
complaint from a member) it would be that I should be included
on
this
process. That is part of training and handoff. And yes that
may
mean
things will take a little bit longer and that can be blamed
totally on
me.
There is no need to go on the attack. I am not attacking you.
I
don't
attack you. I have only the utmost respect and admiration for
your
skills as I have said numerous times which is one reason I do
want to
be included in the process for training purposes.
I am not attacking you. Please stop attacking me. None of
this
is
productive. I already apologized if the tone of other requests
came
off wrong. Please accept that.
However, a timeline is not unreasonable and I am requesting
that
on
behalf of members who keep asking me. A request that people
involved
in an election not be involved in the recount is not
unreasonable, in
fact, I am rather shocked that is not standard practice so I am
requesting an independent audit of any race in which an auditor
was
also a candidate We would expect this of other organizations.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:22 AM, Alicia Mattson via
Lnc-business
<[1][2[47]][35]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Caryn Ann,
I can't help but notice that you were fine with my
tabulation of
the
Secretary's race, but then you were happier with the
outcome
of
that
one. You're not rattling the cages about that, only about
the
one in
which you seem to be unhappy with the result. You have
recklessly
asserted that "a region 1 candidate was pretty screwed by
this
whole
process", and that carries some pretty unfair
implications.
You keep complaining that I'm not done yet, as though
heckling
the
person doing the work will make it go faster. Your offer
to
"assist"
is not practical, as any means for that to happen would
necessarily
make it take longer, and thus it contradicts your other
complaint
that
it isn't happening fast enough.
You keep asking for a "timeline". I previously informed
you
when
I'd
get back home so I could start on it. After my first day
of
working on
it, I updated on the substantial progress I made,
indicated
what
was
left to do, and assured you that it is my top priority to
complete as
soon as I could. Yet you're acting as though I have told
you
nothing
and have done nothing so far. Today I finished the dozen
states
that I
didn't get to yesterday. Next I need to write up my notes
and
scan
some supporting documents. That's where things are, and
it's
where
I'll pick up later today.
In spite of me describing my progress and approaching the
finishing
line, you're portraying this as though the people
requesting
information are being "ignored". That's just not a
rational
description of the situation.
All of this just makes me think that this whole
conversation
is
more
about generating noise than anything else. Regardless,
I'll
finish the
task soon and then move on to the rest of my to-do list.
-Alicia
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
<[1][2][3[48]][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit
in
this
case.
And no one who ran should conduct it.
I continue to offer to assist.
There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and
if
anything
presented that way you have my abject apology.
What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a
timeline. I
don’t
think that is unreasonable. They feel like they are
being
ignored.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth
via
Lnc-business
<[1][2][3][4[49]][37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate
your
hasty
efforts
and
dedication in getting these items available as
soon as
you
can.
Richard
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via
Lnc-business
<[1][2][3][4][5[50]][38]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
wrote:
Ms. Harlos,
I indicated before that I would be traveling
with
a
full
schedule
and
only sporadic internet access, and would not
return to
my
more
normal
routine until Monday. I got home from my trip
Sunday
night,
and
starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you
started
the
"Are
we
there yet?" messages about the At-Large
details.
Then
throughout
the
day it became rather unfair characterizations
that I
was
saying
"well,
whenever" as though I'm blowing it off. That
tone is
not
warranted nor
appreciated.
Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to
the
totals
I
sent
do
exist, but providing that will not be the end
of
the
story.
If
all I
send is that, immediately the questions will
begin
about
the
instances
where those numbers vary from the delegation
tally
sheets
because
we
caught and corrected errors. Then while I am
researching
to
answer
those questions, we all know the internet
gossip
will
get
silly,
with
people not being careful to say only things
they
know
to
be
true
while
waiting on answers to the questions.
My usual practice is to do the post-convention
audit as
part
of
building the convention minutes, which is near
the end
of
my
to-do list
after having updated other minutes with timing
deadlines,
policy,
bylaws, platform, etc. Instead, so I can
answer
most
questions
on
at-large before they are asked, because there
was
a
very
close
outcome
that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of
the
At-Large
race
to do
it mostly first...though I did also send
updated
minutes
to
meet
a
posting deadline and update the Policy Manual
earlier.
When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll
scan
the
state
tally
sheets, plus provide my notes about what's
different
between
the
two
and why so that those questions can be
addressed
simultaneously
in one
message, rather than being spread out in
different
places
at
different
times where people might miss some of it.
You're well aware of how long it took a team of
10
people
to
go
through
the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC
meeting on
July
2nd?
You
can deduce from that how long it takes one
person
to
give
the
At-Large
the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment.
Today I
spent
a
LARGE
number of hours on the project. I think I have
about a
dozen
states
left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and
writing
up my
notes.
It
takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are
we
there
yet?", but
it
takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of
the
project
to
know
precisely how long I would get to work on it
today, or
how
long
it
would take to complete. Rather than emailing
the
LNC
every
30
minutes,
(and I haven't even taken time to comment on
the
two
email
ballots yet,
though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing
on just
getting
this
task done so I can move on to the next. It is
a
high
priority on
my
list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
To others who have been asking about the rest
of
my
to-do
list,
I'm
doing this project first. In the case of
adopted
resolutions,
please
recall that our convention forges ahead and
adopts all
sorts
of
things
from the floor while the Secretary is trying to
tally
election
results. I suppose I should be flattered that
some
believe
I can
document those fully on the fly while I'm
simultaneously
aggregating
election results, and have completed minutes
immediately
following
adjournment, but that's a bit overly
optimistic.
I am
a
human
who is
constrained by the laws of time and space. I
could
only
make
sparse
notes about the nature of other proceedings
while
I was
working
on
elections, and when I start building the
convention
minutes,
I'll
have
to go back and review the recordings to verify
that I
caught
all
the
relevant details. I have a large envelope of
lots of
things
that
were
submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was
actually
voted
on,
verify that the written submission matches what
the
delegates
were told
they were voting on, etc.
Again, all these items are in the queue, and
I'll
get
to
them all
as
soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at
home
with
my
usual
workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it
to
all
happen
instantaneously.
-Alicia
References
1. mailto:[3][4][5][6[51]][39]lnc-
business at hq.lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [4][52]Caryn.Ann.[53] Harlos at LP.org or[54]
Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
[55] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[5][6][7[56]][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[6][7][8[57]][41]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:[7][8][9[58]][42]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[8[59]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
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8. mailto:[16[67]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [17][68]Caryn.Ann.[69] Harlos at LP.org or[70] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[71] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
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16. mailto:[32[87]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
17. mailto:[33[88]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [194]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
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