[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 14:08:49 EDT 2018
Ok. After clarifying with Caryn Ann what her proposal is - email balloting following the pattern of voting until 7 get a majority, instead of what I thought it was - echoed by Kenneth at the end of his message I took it to my region. The response so far has been unanimously in favor of just taking the top 7 and moving on. Just for flavor here are some direct quotes that are representative of the whole.
"Just accept the top 5 for at-large and top 7 for JC. The people they would put into these roles through alternatives being proposed are likely the same people the delegates chose anyway. So, at this point, it's just creating procedural hurdles for no reason. There are much more important issues to tackle and this has just become a procedural pissing contest."
"Top 7. This is a ridiculous controversy. I think most of us assumed that's what we were doing. We were tired and hungry and forgot we didn't vote on a procedure for JC. We suck. Let's take what we voted for already and move on."
"Keep the top 7. No email voting this time, sorry. If votes could have been done electronically in the first place, then all the delegates that couldn't make it to NOLA due to money or time off should have been able to have voted for all positions and platform changes."
There are pages of that via email,fb, pm, and phone calls.
Given that feedback my vote will remain unchanged unless the unlikely event I get a greater flood the other way in the next couple days.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: kenneth.olsen--- via Lnc-business Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 11:47 AMTo: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: kenneth.olsen at lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
Thanks Joe! I think it is very important that we all remember that
while we may disagree internally, we need to focus on who we are
actually trying to beat. There is no avoiding factions arising in any
group of people, but the factions of the LP need to remember who we are
working TOGETHER against! That being said, I respect the opinion that
the seven members of the JC was not elected at the convention and can't
therefore be acknowledged. I think a new vote by the delegates could be
a complicated matter to work out, though I am not opposed to it.
Perhaps a better and more reasonable method would be to acknowledge the
election of the top five (given that the JC is elected in the same
manner as the At-Larges) and allow them to fill the last two seats.
In Liberty,
K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
Alternate, Region 4
559-960-3613
On 2018-07-11 07:40, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
> Ms. Adams,
>
> By my count we have sent 400 emails to each other in a week. Ms.
> Harlos has sent 18 emails in the last twelve hours, more than I've
> sent in total in a week. People may gripe about it but no one is
> actually being silenced.
>
> I'm doing my best to respond to points being made, answering questions
> and respectfully if energetically countering arguments. Your response
> to me was that the proposal I've sponsored is "bullshit,"
> "unacceptable," "gross," "vile," and "sickening." You then complained
> about the tone of the debate.
>
> I would like to have a good working relationship with all of you. On
> Bylaws, if I was on the winning side of votes I made sure the minority
> got a fair shake at presenting their views. If I was on the losing
> side, I accepted it and did my best to make sure that what we had
> passed worked. And I never resorted to name-calling or martyrdom. The
> enemy isn't on this Committee. The enemy are the people out there
> passing warrantless wiretapping, locking refugee kids up in cages,
> bombing the world, and spending us into oblivion. I promise I will
> keep sight of that and will greatly respect all of you who do also,
> even if we occasionally disagree on how we will do it.
>
> JBH
>
>
> On 2018-07-11 10:24, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not true that "
>> There is nothing we can do about it
>> at this point except live with it the best we can for two years." and
>> honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from some in an
>> attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle up folks,
>> if this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of you will
>> hate me the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be dismissed
>> and silenced.
>>
>>
>> On 2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>
>>> We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections went awry.
>>> There is nothing we can do about it
>>> at this point except live with it the best we can for two years. We
>>> will have a fix in place before the
>>> convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the delegates and
>>> made effective immediately.
>>>
>>> At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot thread
>>> which is supposed to just be for recording
>>> votes on the motion.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>> On 2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> Oh my goodness. I am sorry but this is beyond belief.
>>>> I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am supposed
>>>> to NOT
>>>> yell it from the rooftops? What Party am I in again?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business
>>>> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, to a point. At some time, preaching to the choir
>>>> becomes
>>>> counter productive. As noted earlier, we are all aware that it
>>>> sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that will make
>>>> everyone happy immediately. We all want to fix it, and fix it
>>>> yesterday. I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's points, and
>>>> yours.
>>>> Bring it up once a week. Absolutely. Don't bring it up 5
>>>> times a
>>>> day. Stopping multiple times to read the same arguments takes
>>>> away
>>>> time from working on fixing it, and promoting the party in
>>>> other
>>>> ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us up
>>>> continually
>>>> on a point we 90% or more agree on IS counterproductive. Let's
>>>> move
>>>> on and FIX IT.
>>>> Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let this crap
>>>> happen again.
>>>> John Phillips
>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>
>>>> On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looking out for the membership and delegates is nothing to be
>>>> quiet
>>>> about. I personally hope it is brought up at least once a week
>>>> until
>>>> solutions are in place to prevent it from ever happening again.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>> On 2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully decline.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein
>>>> <[1][2]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>> Just shut up about this already!
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> ---
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>> On 2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>> PS: Before this vote ends, I am going to put something
>>>> together
>>>> to try
>>>> to convince you that this is actually one of the worst
>>>> ways to
>>>> solve.
>>>> My first issue - that of steering the delegates down that
>>>> road
>>>> with
>>>> at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in any way
>>>> that we
>>>> would
>>>> ever do. If it were up to me, I would punt it all back
>>>> to the
>>>> delegates.
>>>> The second issue - of how to handle this situation with
>>>> the JC
>>>> -
>>>> well
>>>> we are trying to solve it now and I think we are solving
>>>> it
>>>> wrong
>>>> both
>>>> ethically and procedurally.
>>>> And a remaining issue - is one where me and RONR come
>>>> into
>>>> conflict.
>>>> Rules are tools. Just because a rule allows something
>>>> doesn't
>>>> mean
>>>> it
>>>> is right, and this is probably why the first issue is
>>>> sticking
>>>> in my
>>>> craw so badly. It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT to change
>>>> the
>>>> rules of
>>>> an
>>>> election mid-way. There is a huge difference between
>>>> majority
>>>> and
>>>> plurality and our candidates deserve to know as it
>>>> effects the
>>>> way
>>>> they
>>>> campaign. We treated them and their efforts as pawns,
>>>> and it
>>>> isn't
>>>> right.
>>>> I know some of you are thinking, just shut up about this
>>>> already.
>>>> Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this is one of
>>>> them.
>>>> Just
>>>> like it was with the eternal secrecy clause last term.
>>>> The only way we are going to learn as an organization is
>>>> if
>>>> this is
>>>> a
>>>> bit painful. And in so doing we will model over-the-top
>>>> integrity
>>>> to
>>>> our members rather than political expediency.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <[1][2][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> ==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get
>>>> the
>>>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that hundreds
>>>> of
>>>> delegates
>>>> didn't even vote in the two races because we put them off
>>>> so
>>>> long.
>>>> In
>>>> the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast votes in
>>>> the
>>>> At-Large
>>>> and
>>>> JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won by those
>>>> who
>>>> stay and
>>>> vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The combination of
>>>> voting
>>>> methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling left us in
>>>> a
>>>> bad
>>>> place.===
>>>> You mean we ran in front of a racing car and now are
>>>> surprised
>>>> we
>>>> got
>>>> ran over?
>>>> But it is more than that. The delegates were led to make
>>>> a
>>>> decision
>>>> in
>>>> a certain direction. There WERE other options. Whether
>>>> or
>>>> not one
>>>> agrees with the voting methodology, it is the methodology
>>>> and
>>>> its
>>>> intent was to use approval voting to show approval and we
>>>> turned it
>>>> on
>>>> its head. Why weren't the delegates given other options?
>>>> ==All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>>>> complain.
>>>> As far
>>>> as
>>>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
>>>> reasonable.
>>>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all Party
>>>> members or
>>>> us
>>>> filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in motion -
>>>> are
>>>> even
>>>> more
>>>> violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==
>>>> Are they all? I don't think so. And I do think my very
>>>> real
>>>> complaint
>>>> of how the delegates were steered in a certain direction
>>>> is
>>>> being
>>>> ignored at best (or maligned at worst).
>>>> ==The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
>>>> legality:
>>>> the
>>>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
>>>> candidates
>>>> and
>>>> the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's also
>>>> no
>>>> doubt in
>>>> my
>>>> mind that had they been asked they would have done the
>>>> same
>>>> for the
>>>> JC.
>>>> A room of several hundred Libertarians were not coerced
>>>> into
>>>> doing
>>>> that
>>>> - they went with what Nick suggested because that's what
>>>> they
>>>> wanted
>>>> to
>>>> do. He just told them how.===
>>>> And that is where the dispute is. Most of the people
>>>> there
>>>> trusted
>>>> us
>>>> (I use us as Nick was acting as the spokesperson of the
>>>> LNC
>>>> and this
>>>> isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them what they
>>>> wanted.
>>>> They
>>>> were presented with two choices in which they were led
>>>> down a
>>>> particular path. You are an attorney Joe, you know
>>>> exactly
>>>> what I
>>>> am
>>>> getting at here.
>>>> Do you really think that if they were offered a majority
>>>> rising vote
>>>> on
>>>> the spot to choose between options they would not have
>>>> taken
>>>> that?
>>>> It
>>>> never ocurred to most of them that there WERE any other
>>>> options. It
>>>> didn't immediately occur to me and I am well-versed in
>>>> this
>>>> stuff.
>>>> It
>>>> stinks. If a government acted this way we would be all
>>>> lathered up.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>> <[2][3][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get
>>>> the
>>>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that
>>>> hundreds of
>>>> delegates didn't even vote in the two races because we
>>>> put
>>>> them
>>>> off
>>>> so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states didn't
>>>> cast
>>>> votes in
>>>> the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules - elections
>>>> are
>>>> won by
>>>> those who stay and vote - but oh my did we make it
>>>> hard. The
>>>> combination of voting methodology, tabulation method,
>>>> and
>>>> scheduling
>>>> left us in a bad place.
>>>> All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>>>> complain.
>>>> As far
>>>> as
>>>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
>>>> reasonable.
>>>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all
>>>> Party
>>>> members
>>>> or
>>>> us filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in
>>>> motion -
>>>> are
>>>> even
>>>> more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.
>>>> I do not dispute that one can reasonably argue that
>>>> every JC
>>>> candidate was disapproved and that it should sit empty
>>>> until
>>>> 2022.
>>>> The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
>>>> legality:
>>>> the
>>>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
>>>> candidates
>>>> and the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's
>>>> also
>>>> no
>>>> doubt in my mind that had they been asked they would
>>>> have
>>>> done the
>>>> same for the JC. A room of several hundred Libertarians
>>>> were
>>>> not
>>>> coerced into doing that - they went with what Nick
>>>> suggested
>>>> because
>>>> that's what they wanted to do. He just told them how.
>>>> They
>>>> didn't
>>>> want the LNC fighting over who would fill the seats if
>>>> they
>>>> were
>>>> left vacant.
>>>> I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did want to
>>>> write
>>>> this to
>>>> emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or sweeping
>>>> anything
>>>> blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking how we do
>>>> elections
>>>> will
>>>> be a big priority for many of us.
>>>> JBH
>>>> On 2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Suspension of the rules has to be specific and there is
>>>> no
>>>> way
>>>> around
>>>> the fact that we used the number 5 over and over.
>>>> This is taking things to an even deeper level of
>>>> improper. I
>>>> object to
>>>> the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the
>>>> delegates
>>>> made an
>>>> independent choice and now to just infer this upon
>>>> that
>>>> is two
>>>> bridges
>>>> too far.
>>>> This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of
>>>> sweeping it
>>>> under
>>>> the rug.
>>>> It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole
>>>> situation
>>>> is
>>>> being
>>>> taken.
>>>> There are people looking at us and seeing nothing
>>>> different
>>>> than
>>>> the
>>>> government we wish to reform.
>>>> There was a controversial election and at least one
>>>> state
>>>> chair
>>>> and
>>>> candidate has been asking for the state by state
>>>> rallies
>>>> with
>>>> no
>>>> time
>>>> frame given him.
>>>> The whole thing was an affront to people expecting
>>>> an
>>>> entirely
>>>> different thing when they ran. I will not be
>>>> sanguine
>>>> about
>>>> it.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>> <[1][3][4][5]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> This point did come up immediately after
>>>> adjournment,
>>>> while
>>>> Nick
>>>> was
>>>> still at the mic. I don't recall who brought it
>>>> up, but
>>>> the
>>>> statement
>>>> was made that it would follow the same procedure
>>>> as
>>>> At-Large
>>>> at
>>>> that
>>>> point, since we were no longer in session.
>>>> No one raised the question prior to that.
>>>> Whitney Bilyeu
>>>> Region 7 Representative
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> via
>>>> Lnc-business
>>>> <[2][4][5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> Joshua they were not given a choice on this.
>>>> The
>>>> JC
>>>> never
>>>> came
>>>> up.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
>>>> <[1][3][5][6][7]joshua.smith at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given
>>>> the
>>>> choice
>>>> at
>>>> convention
>>>> just a few short days ago, I believe we should
>>>> respect
>>>> that
>>>> decision.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Joshua D. Smith
>>>> On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>> Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are
>>>> due
>>>> to the
>>>> LNC-Business
>>>> > list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm
>>>> Pacific
>>>> time.
>>>> Co-Sponsors:
>>>> > Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced,
>>>> Van
>>>> Horn
>>>> Motion:
>>>> Move
>>>> > that
>>>> > the Libertarian National Committee
>>>> acknowledge
>>>> the
>>>> election of
>>>> the
>>>> > following to the Judicial Committee for a
>>>> four-year
>>>> term:
>>>> D.
>>>> Frank
>>>> > Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry,
>>>> Ruth
>>>> Bennett,
>>>> Geoff
>>>> Neale,
>>>> > Jim
>>>> > Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep
>>>> track
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> Secretary's
>>>> > manual tally of votes here:
>>>> [1][2][4][6][7][8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> > --
>>>> > --
>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
>>>> National
>>>> Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>> Montana,
>>>> Utah,
>>>> Wyoming,
>>>> > Washington)
>>>> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > Communications Director,
>>>> [3]Libertarian
>>>> Party of
>>>> Colorado
>>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>>> Committee
>>>> > A haiku to the Statement of
>>>> Principles:
>>>> > We defend your rights
>>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>>> > Taxation is theft
>>>> >
>>>> > References
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. [3][5][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.co
>>>> m/lncvoting
>>>> > 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > 3. [5][6][8][9][10]http://www.lpcolor
>>>> ado.org/
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>> Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[7][9][10][11]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 2.
>>>> [8][10][11][12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 3.
>>>> [9][11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 5. [11][12][13][14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>> Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[13][14][15]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:[14][15][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:[15][16][17]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 4. [16][17][18]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 5. [17][18][19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 6. [18][19][20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 7. mailto:[19][20][21]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 8. [20][21][22]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 9. [21][22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 11. [23][23][24]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> --
>>>> JBH
>>>> ------------
>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>> [26][24][25]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> [27][25][26]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[26][27]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:[27][28]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:[28][29]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:[29][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 5. mailto:[30][31]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 6. [31][32]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 7. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 8. [33][34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 9. mailto:[34][35]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 10. [35][36]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 11. [36][37]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 12. [37][38]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 13. mailto:[38][39]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 14. mailto:[39][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 15. mailto:[40][41]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 16. [41][42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 17. [42][43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 18. [43][44]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 19. mailto:[44][45]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 20. [45][46]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 21. [46][47]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 22. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 23. [48][48]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 24. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 25. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 26. mailto:[51][49]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 27.
>>>> [52][50]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 28. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 29. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [55]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[51]sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:[52]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:[54]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 5. mailto:[55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 6. mailto:[56]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 7. [57]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 8. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 9. [59]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 10. mailto:[60]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 11. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 12. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 13. [63]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 14. mailto:[64]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 15. mailto:[65]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 16. mailto:[66]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 17. [67]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 18. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 19. [69]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 20. mailto:[70]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 21. [71]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 22. [72]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 23. [73]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 24. mailto:[74]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 25. [75]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 26. mailto:[76]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 27. mailto:[77]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 28. mailto:[78]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 29. mailto:[79]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 30. mailto:[80]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 31. [81]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 32. [82]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 33. [83]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 34. mailto:[84]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 35. [85]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 36. [86]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 37. [87]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 38. mailto:[88]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 39. mailto:[89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 40. mailto:[90]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 41. [91]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 42. [92]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 43. [93]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 44. mailto:[94]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 45. [95]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 46. [96]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 47. mailto:[97]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 48. [98]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 49. mailto:[99]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 50. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 51. mailto:[101]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 52. [102]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 53. mailto:[103]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 54. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 55. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>>> - [106]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 5. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 7. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 11. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 15. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 17. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 18. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 20. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 21. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 22. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 24. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 25. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 26. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 27. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 28. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 29. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 30. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 31. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 32. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 35. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 36. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 37. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 38. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 39. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 41. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 42. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 43. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 44. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 45. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 46. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 47. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 48. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 49. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 50. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 51. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>> 52. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 53. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 54. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 55. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 56. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 57. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 58. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 59. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 60. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 61. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 62. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 63. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 64. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 65. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 66. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 67. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 68. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 69. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 70. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 71. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 72. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 73. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 74. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 75. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 76. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 77. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 78. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 79. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 80. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 81. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 82. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 83. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 84. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 85. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 86. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 87. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 88. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 89. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 90. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 91. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 92. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 93. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 94. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 95. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 96. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 97. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 98. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 99. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 100. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 101. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 102. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 103. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 104. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 105. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 106. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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Ok. After clarifying with Caryn Ann what her proposal is - email
balloting following the pattern of voting until 7 get a majority,
instead of what I thought it was - echoed by Kenneth at the end of his
message I took it to my region. The response so far has been
unanimously in favor of just taking the top 7 and moving on. Just for
flavor here are some direct quotes that are representative of the
whole.
"Just accept the top 5 for at-large and top 7 for JC. The people they
would put into these roles through alternatives being proposed are
likely the same people the delegates chose anyway. So, at this point,
it's just creating procedural hurdles for no reason. There are much
more important issues to tackle and this has just become a procedural
pissing contest."
"Top 7. This is a ridiculous controversy. I think most of us assumed
that's what we were doing. We were tired and hungry and forgot we
didn't vote on a procedure for JC. We suck. Let's take what we voted
for already and move on."
"Keep the top 7. No email voting this time, sorry. If votes could have
been done electronically in the first place, then all the delegates
that couldn't make it to NOLA due to money or time off should have been
able to have voted for all positions and platform changes."
There are pages of that via email,fb, pm, and phone calls.
Given that feedback my vote will remain unchanged unless the unlikely
event I get a greater flood the other way in the next couple days.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: kenneth.olsen--- via Lnc-business
Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 11:47 AM
To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: [3]kenneth.olsen at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION
OF JC
Thanks Joe! I think it is very important that we all remember that
while we may disagree internally, we need to focus on who we are
actually trying to beat. There is no avoiding factions arising in any
group of people, but the factions of the LP need to remember who we are
working TOGETHER against! That being said, I respect the opinion that
the seven members of the JC was not elected at the convention and can't
therefore be acknowledged. I think a new vote by the delegates could be
a complicated matter to work out, though I am not opposed to it.
Perhaps a better and more reasonable method would be to acknowledge the
election of the top five (given that the JC is elected in the same
manner as the At-Larges) and allow them to fill the last two seats.
In Liberty,
K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
Alternate, Region [4]4
559-960-3613
On [5]2018-07-11 07:40, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
> Ms. Adams,
>
> By my count we have sent 400 emails to each other in a week. Ms.
> Harlos has sent 18 emails in the last twelve hours, more than I've
> sent in total in a week. People may gripe about it but no one is
> actually being silenced.
>
> I'm doing my best to respond to points being made, answering questions
> and respectfully if energetically countering arguments. Your response
> to me was that the proposal I've sponsored is "bullshit,"
> "unacceptable," "gross," "vile," and "sickening." You then complained
> about the tone of the debate.
>
> I would like to have a good working relationship with all of you. On
> Bylaws, if I was on the winning side of votes I made sure the minority
> got a fair shake at presenting their views. If I was on the losing
> side, I accepted it and did my best to make sure that what we had
> passed worked. And I never resorted to name-calling or martyrdom. The
> enemy isn't on this Committee. The enemy are the people out there
> passing warrantless wiretapping, locking refugee kids up in cages,
> bombing the world, and spending us into oblivion. I promise I will
> keep sight of that and will greatly respect all of you who do also,
> even if we occasionally disagree on how we will do it.
>
> JBH
>
>
> On [6]2018-07-11 10:24, [7]erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not true that "
>> There is nothing we can do about it
>> at this point except live with it the best we can for two years." and
>> honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from some in an
>> attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle up folks,
>> if this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of you will
>> hate me the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be dismissed
>> and silenced.
>>
>>
>> On [8]2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>
>>> We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections went awry.
>>> There is nothing we can do about it
>>> at this point except live with it the best we can for two years. We
>>> will have a fix in place before the
>>> convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the delegates and
>>> made effective immediately.
>>>
>>> At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot thread
>>> which is supposed to just be for recording
>>> votes on the motion.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [9]317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>> On [10]2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> Oh my goodness. I am sorry but this is beyond belief.
>>>> I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am supposed
>>>> to NOT
>>>> yell it from the rooftops? What Party am I in again?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business
>>>> <[1[11]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, to a point. At some time, preaching to the choir
>>>> becomes
>>>> counter productive. As noted earlier, we are all aware that it
>>>> sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that will make
>>>> everyone happy immediately. We all want to fix it, and fix it
>>>> yesterday. I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's points, and
>>>> yours.
>>>> Bring it up once a week. Absolutely. Don't bring it up 5
>>>> times a
>>>> day. Stopping multiple times to read the same arguments takes
>>>> away
>>>> time from working on fixing it, and promoting the party in
>>>> other
>>>> ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us up
>>>> continually
>>>> on a point we 90% or more agree on IS counterproductive. Let's
>>>> move
>>>> on and FIX IT.
>>>> Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let this crap
>>>> happen again.
>>>> John Phillips
>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> Cell [12]217-412-5973
>>>>
>>>> On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looking out for the membership and delegates is nothing to be
>>>> quiet
>>>> about. I personally hope it is brought up at least once a week
>>>> until
>>>> solutions are in place to prevent it from ever happening again.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>> On [13]2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully decline.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein
>>>> <[1][2[14]]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>> Just shut up about this already!
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> ---
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> [15]317-850-0726 Cell
>>>> On [16]2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>> PS: Before this vote ends, I am going to put something
>>>> together
>>>> to try
>>>> to convince you that this is actually one of the worst
>>>> ways to
>>>> solve.
>>>> My first issue - that of steering the delegates down that
>>>> road
>>>> with
>>>> at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in any way
>>>> that we
>>>> would
>>>> ever do. If it were up to me, I would punt it all back
>>>> to the
>>>> delegates.
>>>> The second issue - of how to handle this situation with
>>>> the JC
>>>> -
>>>> well
>>>> we are trying to solve it now and I think we are solving
>>>> it
>>>> wrong
>>>> both
>>>> ethically and procedurally.
>>>> And a remaining issue - is one where me and RONR come
>>>> into
>>>> conflict.
>>>> Rules are tools. Just because a rule allows something
>>>> doesn't
>>>> mean
>>>> it
>>>> is right, and this is probably why the first issue is
>>>> sticking
>>>> in my
>>>> craw so badly. It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT to change
>>>> the
>>>> rules of
>>>> an
>>>> election mid-way. There is a huge difference between
>>>> majority
>>>> and
>>>> plurality and our candidates deserve to know as it
>>>> effects the
>>>> way
>>>> they
>>>> campaign. We treated them and their efforts as pawns,
>>>> and it
>>>> isn't
>>>> right.
>>>> I know some of you are thinking, just shut up about this
>>>> already.
>>>> Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this is one of
>>>> them.
>>>> Just
>>>> like it was with the eternal secrecy clause last term.
>>>> The only way we are going to learn as an organization is
>>>> if
>>>> this is
>>>> a
>>>> bit painful. And in so doing we will model over-the-top
>>>> integrity
>>>> to
>>>> our members rather than political expediency.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <[1][2][3[17]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> ==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get
>>>> the
>>>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that hundreds
>>>> of
>>>> delegates
>>>> didn't even vote in the two races because we put them off
>>>> so
>>>> long.
>>>> In
>>>> the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast votes in
>>>> the
>>>> At-Large
>>>> and
>>>> JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won by those
>>>> who
>>>> stay and
>>>> vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The combination of
>>>> voting
>>>> methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling left us in
>>>> a
>>>> bad
>>>> place.===
>>>> You mean we ran in front of a racing car and now are
>>>> surprised
>>>> we
>>>> got
>>>> ran over?
>>>> But it is more than that. The delegates were led to make
>>>> a
>>>> decision
>>>> in
>>>> a certain direction. There WERE other options. Whether
>>>> or
>>>> not one
>>>> agrees with the voting methodology, it is the methodology
>>>> and
>>>> its
>>>> intent was to use approval voting to show approval and we
>>>> turned it
>>>> on
>>>> its head. Why weren't the delegates given other options?
>>>> ==All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>>>> complain.
>>>> As far
>>>> as
>>>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
>>>> reasonable.
>>>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all Party
>>>> members or
>>>> us
>>>> filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in motion -
>>>> are
>>>> even
>>>> more
>>>> violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==
>>>> Are they all? I don't think so. And I do think my very
>>>> real
>>>> complaint
>>>> of how the delegates were steered in a certain direction
>>>> is
>>>> being
>>>> ignored at best (or maligned at worst).
>>>> ==The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
>>>> legality:
>>>> the
>>>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
>>>> candidates
>>>> and
>>>> the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's also
>>>> no
>>>> doubt in
>>>> my
>>>> mind that had they been asked they would have done the
>>>> same
>>>> for the
>>>> JC.
>>>> A room of several hundred Libertarians were not coerced
>>>> into
>>>> doing
>>>> that
>>>> - they went with what Nick suggested because that's what
>>>> they
>>>> wanted
>>>> to
>>>> do. He just told them how.===
>>>> And that is where the dispute is. Most of the people
>>>> there
>>>> trusted
>>>> us
>>>> (I use us as Nick was acting as the spokesperson of the
>>>> LNC
>>>> and this
>>>> isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them what they
>>>> wanted.
>>>> They
>>>> were presented with two choices in which they were led
>>>> down a
>>>> particular path. You are an attorney Joe, you know
>>>> exactly
>>>> what I
>>>> am
>>>> getting at here.
>>>> Do you really think that if they were offered a majority
>>>> rising vote
>>>> on
>>>> the spot to choose between options they would not have
>>>> taken
>>>> that?
>>>> It
>>>> never ocurred to most of them that there WERE any other
>>>> options. It
>>>> didn't immediately occur to me and I am well-versed in
>>>> this
>>>> stuff.
>>>> It
>>>> stinks. If a government acted this way we would be all
>>>> lathered up.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>> <[2][3][4[18]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get
>>>> the
>>>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that
>>>> hundreds of
>>>> delegates didn't even vote in the two races because we
>>>> put
>>>> them
>>>> off
>>>> so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states didn't
>>>> cast
>>>> votes in
>>>> the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules - elections
>>>> are
>>>> won by
>>>> those who stay and vote - but oh my did we make it
>>>> hard. The
>>>> combination of voting methodology, tabulation method,
>>>> and
>>>> scheduling
>>>> left us in a bad place.
>>>> All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>>>> complain.
>>>> As far
>>>> as
>>>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
>>>> reasonable.
>>>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all
>>>> Party
>>>> members
>>>> or
>>>> us filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in
>>>> motion -
>>>> are
>>>> even
>>>> more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.
>>>> I do not dispute that one can reasonably argue that
>>>> every JC
>>>> candidate was disapproved and that it should sit empty
>>>> until
>>>> 2022.
>>>> The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
>>>> legality:
>>>> the
>>>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
>>>> candidates
>>>> and the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's
>>>> also
>>>> no
>>>> doubt in my mind that had they been asked they would
>>>> have
>>>> done the
>>>> same for the JC. A room of several hundred Libertarians
>>>> were
>>>> not
>>>> coerced into doing that - they went with what Nick
>>>> suggested
>>>> because
>>>> that's what they wanted to do. He just told them how.
>>>> They
>>>> didn't
>>>> want the LNC fighting over who would fill the seats if
>>>> they
>>>> were
>>>> left vacant.
>>>> I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did want to
>>>> write
>>>> this to
>>>> emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or sweeping
>>>> anything
>>>> blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking how we do
>>>> elections
>>>> will
>>>> be a big priority for many of us.
>>>> JBH
>>>> On [19]2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Suspension of the rules has to be specific and there is
>>>> no
>>>> way
>>>> around
>>>> the fact that we used the number 5 over and over.
>>>> This is taking things to an even deeper level of
>>>> improper. I
>>>> object to
>>>> the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the
>>>> delegates
>>>> made an
>>>> independent choice and now to just infer this upon
>>>> that
>>>> is two
>>>> bridges
>>>> too far.
>>>> This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of
>>>> sweeping it
>>>> under
>>>> the rug.
>>>> It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole
>>>> situation
>>>> is
>>>> being
>>>> taken.
>>>> There are people looking at us and seeing nothing
>>>> different
>>>> than
>>>> the
>>>> government we wish to reform.
>>>> There was a controversial election and at least one
>>>> state
>>>> chair
>>>> and
>>>> candidate has been asking for the state by state
>>>> rallies
>>>> with
>>>> no
>>>> time
>>>> frame given him.
>>>> The whole thing was an affront to people expecting
>>>> an
>>>> entirely
>>>> different thing when they ran. I will not be
>>>> sanguine
>>>> about
>>>> it.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>> <[1][3][4][5[20]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> This point did come up immediately after
>>>> adjournment,
>>>> while
>>>> Nick
>>>> was
>>>> still at the mic. I don't recall who brought it
>>>> up, but
>>>> the
>>>> statement
>>>> was made that it would follow the same procedure
>>>> as
>>>> At-Large
>>>> at
>>>> that
>>>> point, since we were no longer in session.
>>>> No one raised the question prior to that.
>>>> Whitney Bilyeu
>>>> Region 7 Representative
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> via
>>>> Lnc-business
>>>> <[2][4][5][6[21]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> Joshua they were not given a choice on this.
>>>> The
>>>> JC
>>>> never
>>>> came
>>>> up.
>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
>>>> <[1][3][5][6][7[22]]joshua.smith at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given
>>>> the
>>>> choice
>>>> at
>>>> convention
>>>> just a few short days ago, I believe we should
>>>> respect
>>>> that
>>>> decision.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Joshua D. Smith
>>>> On [23]2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>> Lnc-business
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are
>>>> due
>>>> to the
>>>> LNC-Business
>>>> > list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm
>>>> Pacific
>>>> time.
>>>> Co-Sponsors:
>>>> > Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced,
>>>> Van
>>>> Horn
>>>> Motion:
>>>> Move
>>>> > that
>>>> > the Libertarian National Committee
>>>> acknowledge
>>>> the
>>>> election of
>>>> the
>>>> > following to the Judicial Committee for a
>>>> four-year
>>>> term:
>>>> D.
>>>> Frank
>>>> > Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry,
>>>> Ruth
>>>> Bennett,
>>>> Geoff
>>>> Neale,
>>>> > Jim
>>>> > Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep
>>>> track
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> Secretary's
>>>> > manual tally of votes here:
>>>> [1][2][4][6][7][8][24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> > --
>>>> > --
>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
>>>> National
>>>> Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>> Montana,
>>>> Utah,
>>>> Wyoming,
>>>> > Washington)
>>>> > - [2][25]Caryn.Ann.[26] Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > Communications Director,
>>>> [3]Libertarian
>>>> Party of
>>>> Colorado
>>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>>> Committee
>>>> > A haiku to the Statement of
>>>> Principles:
>>>> > We defend your rights
>>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>>> > Taxation is theft
>>>> >
>>>> > References
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. [3][5][7][8][9][27]https://tinyurl.co
>>>> m/lncvoting
>>>> > 2. mailto:[4[28]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > 3. [5][6][8][9][10]http://www.lpcolor
>>>> [29]ado.org/
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>> Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [6][30]Caryn.Ann.[31] Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>[32] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>> [33] LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[7][9][10][11[34]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 2.
>>>> [8][10][11][12][35]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 3.
>>>> [9][11][12][13][36]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 4. mailto:[10[37]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 5. [11][12][13][14][38]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 6. mailto:[12[39]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>> Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [13][40]Caryn.Ann.[41] Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>[42] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>> [43] LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[13][14][15[44]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:[14][15][16[45]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:[15][16][17[46]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 4. [16][17][18][47]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 5. [17][18][19][48]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 6. [18][19][20][49]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 7. mailto:[19][20][21[50]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 8. [20][21][22][51]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 9. [21][22][23][52]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 10. mailto:[22[53]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 11. [23][23][24][54]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 12. mailto:[24[55]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 13. mailto:[25[56]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> --
>>>> JBH
>>>> ------------
>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>> [26][24][25[57]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> [27][25][26][58]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [28][59]Caryn.Ann.[60] Harlos at LP.org or[61] Secretary at LP.org
.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>[62] LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [29][63]Caryn.Ann.[64] Harlos at LP.org or[65] Secretary at LP.org
.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>[66] LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[26][27[67]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:[27][28[68]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:[28][29[69]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:[29][30[70]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 5. mailto:[30][31[71]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 6. [31][32][72]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 7. [32][33][73]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 8. [33][34][74]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 9. mailto:[34][35[75]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 10. [35][36][76]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 11. [36][37][77]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 12. [37][38][78]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 13. mailto:[38][39[79]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 14. mailto:[39][40[80]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 15. mailto:[40][41[81]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 16. [41][42][82]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 17. [42][43][83]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 18. [43][44][84]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 19. mailto:[44][45[85]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 20. [45][46][86]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 21. [46][47][87]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 22. mailto:[47[88]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 23. [48][48][89]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 24. mailto:[49[90]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 25. mailto:[50[91]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 26. mailto:[51][49[92]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 27.
>>>> [52][50][93]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 28. mailto:[53[94]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 29. mailto:[54[95]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Secretary
>>>> - [55][96]Caryn.Ann.[97] Harlos at LP.org or[98] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[99] LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>> References
>>>> 1. mailto:[51[100]]sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:[52[101]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:[53[102]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:[54[103]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 5. mailto:[55[104]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 6. mailto:[56[105]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 7. [57][106]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 8. [58][107]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 9. [59][108]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 10. mailto:[60[109]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 11. [61][110]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 12. [62][111]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 13. [63][112]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 14. mailto:[64[113]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 15. mailto:[65[114]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 16. mailto:[66[115]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 17. [67][116]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 18. [68][117]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 19. [69][118]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 20. mailto:[70[119]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 21. [71][120]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 22. [72][121]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 23. [73][122]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 24. mailto:[74[123]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 25. [75][124]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 26. mailto:[76[125]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 27. mailto:[77[126]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 28. mailto:[78[127]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 29. mailto:[79[128]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 30. mailto:[80[129]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 31. [81][130]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 32. [82][131]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 33. [83][132]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 34. mailto:[84[133]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 35. [85][134]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 36. [86][135]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 37. [87][136]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 38. mailto:[88[137]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 39. mailto:[89[138]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 40. mailto:[90[139]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 41. [91][140]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 42. [92][141]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 43. [93][142]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 44. mailto:[94[143]]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 45. [95][144]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 46. [96][145]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 47. mailto:[97[146]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 48. [98][147]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 49. mailto:[99[148]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 50. mailto:[100[149]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 51. mailto:[101[150]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 52. [102][151]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 53. mailto:[103[152]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 54. mailto:[104[153]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 55. mailto:[105[154]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>>> - [106][155]Caryn.Ann.[156] Harlos at LP.org or[157] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[158] LPedia at LP.org
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. mailto[159]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto[160]:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto[161]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto[162]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 5. mailto[163]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 6. mailto[164]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 7. mailto[165]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 8. [166]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 9. [167]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 10. [168]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 11. mailto[169]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 12. [170]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 13. [171]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 14. [172]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 15. mailto[173]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 16. mailto[174]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 17. mailto[175]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 18. [176]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 19. [177]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 20. [178]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 21. mailto[179]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 22. [180]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 23. [181]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 24. [182]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 25. mailto[183]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 26. [184]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 27. mailto[185]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 28. mailto[186]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 29. mailto[187]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 30. mailto[188]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 31. mailto[189]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 32. [190]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 33. [191]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 34. [192]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 35. mailto[193]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 36. [194]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 37. [195]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 38. [196]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 39. mailto[197]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 40. mailto[198]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 41. mailto[199]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 42. [200]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 43. [201]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 44. [202]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 45. mailto[203]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 46. [204]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 47. [205]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 48. [206]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 49. mailto[207]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 50. [208]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 51. mailto[209]:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>> 52. mailto[210]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 53. mailto[211]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 54. mailto[212]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 55. mailto[213]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 56. mailto[214]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 57. [215]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 58. [216]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 59. [217]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 60. mailto[218]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 61. [219]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 62. [220]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 63. [221]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 64. mailto[222]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 65. mailto[223]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 66. mailto[224]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 67. [225]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 68. [226]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 69. [227]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 70. mailto[228]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 71. [229]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 72. [230]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 73. [231]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 74. mailto[232]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 75. [233]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 76. mailto[234]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>> 77. mailto[235]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 78. mailto[236]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 79. mailto[237]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 80. mailto[238]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 81. [239]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 82. [240]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 83. [241]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 84. mailto[242]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 85. [243]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 86. [244]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 87. [245]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 88. mailto[246]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 89. mailto[247]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 90. mailto[248]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 91. [249]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 92. [250]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 93. [251]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 94. mailto[252]:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>> 95. [253]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 96. [254]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>> 97. mailto[255]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 98. [256]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>> 99. mailto[257]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 100. mailto[258]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 101. mailto[259]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> 102. [260]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> 103. mailto[261]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 104. mailto[262]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 105. mailto[263]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>> 106. mailto[264]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:kenneth.olsen at lp.org
4. tel:4
559-960-3613
5. tel:2018-07-11 07
6. tel:2018-07-11 10
7. http://erin.ad/
8. tel:2018-07-09 20
9. tel:317-850-0726
10. tel:2018-07-09 20
11. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. tel:217-412-5973
13. tel:2018-07-09 18
14. mailto:]sam.goldstein at lp.org
15. tel:317-850-0726
16. tel:2018-07-09 18
17. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
18. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
19. tel:2018-07-09 16
20. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
21. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
22. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
23. tel:2018-07-07 22
24. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
25. http://Caryn.An/
26. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
27. https://tinyurl.co/
28. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
29. http://ado.org/
30. http://Caryn.An/
31. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
32. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
33. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
34. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
35. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
36. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
37. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
38. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
39. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
40. http://Caryn.An/
41. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
42. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
43. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
44. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
45. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
46. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
47. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
48. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
49. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
50. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
51. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
52. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
53. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
54. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
55. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
56. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
57. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
58. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
59. http://Caryn.An/
60. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
61. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
62. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
63. http://Caryn.An/
64. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
65. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
66. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
67. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
68. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
69. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
70. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
71. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
72. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
73. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
74. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
75. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
76. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
77. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
78. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
79. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
80. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
81. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
82. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
83. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
84. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
85. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
86. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
87. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
88. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
89. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
90. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
91. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
92. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
93. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
94. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
95. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
96. http://Caryn.An/
97. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
98. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
99. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
100. mailto:]sam.goldstein at lp.org
101. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
102. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
103. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
104. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
105. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
106. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
107. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
108. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
109. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
110. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
111. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
112. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
113. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
114. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
115. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
116. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
117. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
118. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
119. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
120. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
121. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
122. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
123. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
124. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
125. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
126. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
127. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
128. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
129. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
130. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
131. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
132. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
133. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
134. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
135. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
136. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
137. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
138. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
139. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
140. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
141. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
142. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
143. mailto:]joshua.smith at lp.org
144. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
145. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
146. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
147. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
148. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
149. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
150. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
151. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
152. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
153. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
154. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
155. http://Caryn.An/
156. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
157. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
158. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
159. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
160. mailto::sam.goldstein at lp.org
161. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
162. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
163. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
164. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
165. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
166. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
167. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
168. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
169. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
170. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
171. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
172. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
173. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
174. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
175. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
176. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
177. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
178. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
179. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
180. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
181. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
182. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
183. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
184. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
185. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
186. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
187. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
188. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
189. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
190. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
191. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
192. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
193. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
194. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
195. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
196. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
197. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
198. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
199. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
200. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
201. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
202. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
203. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
204. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
205. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
206. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
207. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
208. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
209. mailto::sam.goldstein at lp.org
210. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
211. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
212. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
213. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
214. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
215. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
216. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
217. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
218. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
219. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
220. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
221. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
222. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
223. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
224. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
225. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
226. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
227. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
228. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
229. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
230. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
231. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
232. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
233. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
234. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
235. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
236. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
237. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
238. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
239. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
240. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
241. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
242. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
243. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
244. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
245. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
246. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
247. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
248. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
249. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
250. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
251. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
252. mailto::joshua.smith at lp.org
253. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
254. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
255. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
256. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
257. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
258. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
259. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
260. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
261. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
262. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
263. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
264. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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