[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for independent vote audit
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 19:21:20 EDT 2018
Thank you Caryn Ann. I figured that as an answer, but you know what happens if you assume instead of spelling it out.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann HarlosDate: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 6:03 PMTo: Libertarian National Committee list;Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips at lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for independent vote audit
As one of the co-sponsors, these would be my answers:
1. Who is going to do the independent audit
The motion says two independent persons selected by the Chair, so the answer is in the motion itself.
2. How will they meet and/or acquire the raw ballots to audit
I don't think mailing or copying or scanning is a technical hurdle and that could be determined by the auditors.
3. What is the time line to finish the project
That is left open but it seems implied that the Chair would set a deadline. It seems like a several week deadline is reasonable.
4. What is the cost for the independent audit and who is going to pay for it.
This isn't a J. Edgar Hoover investigation - the implication was Party volunteers not involved in the race. Such as regional representatives or alternatives. If not volunteers, it seems the cost would be a minimal hourly rate that would be somewhat trivial and should be considered part of the cost of conducting the election - so out of the convention budget.
5. Is this going to limited to just the At Large election or will it include the Judicial Committee.
The motion says At-Large, so the answer is in the motion itself.
Now I would like to turn this question around to those who have not co-sponsored. Why are you not requesting such a thing in a rushed and unusual race with a one-vote margin in one race and a less than twenty vote margin in multiple ones? Would we ever accept in any other institution an audit by directly involved parties?
Now to John's question, of course they would. I am not even suggesting anything different if the audit shows a serious mistake because I have no idea what the protocol is if that happened as it is outside my ken and an issue for the Chair.
I would hope this leads to some sort of Policy Manual addition about automatic independent audits when vote counts are within a certain narrow margin. It is good practice. Even if we had an electronic voting system but most certainly in our current system which everyone admits is prone to errors.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:13 PM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Plus my comments about current people serving while we wait on results
so we do not get stuck in a loop.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Sam Goldstein
Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 5:02 PM
To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: [3]john.phillips at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for
independent vote audit
Before we start an email ballot on an independent audit I would like to
have answers to these questions from the sponsor and co-sponsors:
1. Who is going to do the independent audit
2. How will they meet and/or acquire the raw ballots to audit
3. What is the time line to finish the project
4. What is the cost for the independent audit and who is going to pay
for it
5. Is this going to limited to just the At Large election or will it
include the Judicial Committee
I bet others will come up with additional questions. Think about this
before you start asking for co-sponsors, please!
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
[4]317-850-0726 Cell
On [5]2018-07-11 11:45, [6]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> I may be too late for this, but it needs to be said.
> Yes I do support a vote audit, if only to provide our members
> clarity
> and closure. It is not that I do not think Alicia did fine work.
> She
> busted tail and everyone who helped is to be commended. Simply to
> confirm for our membership.
> Now on to what may be too late. I submit that an audit is only good
> IF
> the currently understood members, of whichever vote gets audited,
> continue to serve pending results. Otherwise our body can not
> continue
> to function until the audit is complete. Indeed if we do not take
> that
> route we might theoretically be able to even complete the audit or
> anything for 2 years. That outcome is unacceptable and clearly NOT
> what the delegates intended.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1][7]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: [2][8]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
> Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 7:12 AM
> To: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business;
> Cc: [3[9]]john.phillips at lp.org;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for
> independent vote audit
> I will co-sponsor
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [4][10]217-412-5973
> ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> Date: Wed,
> Jul 11, 2018 6:50 AMTo:[5][11] lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: Caryn Ann
> Harlos;Subject:R
> e: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for independent vote
> audit
> I co-sponsor.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> <[6]
>[12] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would have an
>> audit
>> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors appointed
>> by
>> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for co-sponsors.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and several
>> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked why
>> we
>> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate with
>> my
>> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
>> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
>> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
>> interested
>> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do this
>> is
>> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I
>> think
>> it proper that she turns the task over.
>> Richard Longstreth
>>
>> Region 1
>>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [7][13]Caryn.Ann.[8
> ]
>[14] Harlos at LP.org or[9][15] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[10][16] LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
> I co-sponsor.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> <[1[11][17]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would have
> an
> audit
> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors
> appointed by
> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for
> co-sponsors.
> ===
> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and
> several
> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked
> why
> we
> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate
> with my
> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
> interested
> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do
> this is
> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts,
> I
> think
> it proper that she turns the task over.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [2][12][18]Caryn.Ann.[13][19] Harlos at LP.org or[14][20] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[15][21] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[16][22]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto[17][23]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> I will co-sponsor
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1][18][24]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 6:50 AM
> To: [2[19][25]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for
> independent vote audit
> I co-sponsor.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> <[3][20]
>[26] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would have an
>> audit
>> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors appointed
>> by
>> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for co-sponsors.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and several
>> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked why
>> we
>> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate with
>> my
>> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
>> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
>> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
>> interested
>> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do this
>> is
>> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I
>> think
>> it proper that she turns the task over.
>> Richard Longstreth
>>
>> Region 1
>>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [4][21][27]Caryn.An
> n.[5
> ][22]
>[28] Harlos at LP.org or[6][23][29] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[7][24][30] LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
> I co-sponsor.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> <[1[8][25][31]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would have
> an
> audit
> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors
> appointed by
> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for
> co-sponsors.
> ===
> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and
> several
> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked
> why
> we
> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate
> with my
> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
> interested
> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do
> this is
> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts,
> I
> think
> it proper that she turns the task over.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [2][9][26][32]Caryn.Ann.[10][27][33] Harlos at LP.org or[11][28]
>[34] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[12][29][35] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[13][30][36]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto[14][31][37]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[32][38]217-412-5973
> 2. mailto[33][39]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[34]
>[40] lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. [35][41]http://Caryn.An/
> 5. mailto:[36]
>[42] Harlos at LP.org
> 6. mailto:[37][43] Secretary at LP.org.
> 7. mailto:[38][44] LPedia at LP.org
> 8. mailto:[39][45]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. [40][46]http://Caryn.An/
> 10. mailto:[41][47] Harlos at LP.org
> 11. mailto:[42][48] Secretary at LP.org.
> 12. mailto:[43][49] LPedia at LP.org
> 13. mailto:[44][50]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto:[45][51]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[52]217-412-5973
> 2. [53]http://john.ph/
> 3. mailto[54]:john.phillips at lp.org
> 4. tel:[55]217-412-5973
> 5. mailto:[56] lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:
>[57] lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. [58]http://Caryn.An/
> 8. mailto:
>[59] Harlos at LP.org
> 9. mailto:[60] Secretary at LP.org.
> 10. mailto:[61] LPedia at LP.org
> 11. mailto:[62]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 12. [63]http://Caryn.An/
> 13. mailto:[64] Harlos at LP.org
> 14. mailto:[65] Secretary at LP.org.
> 15. mailto:[66] LPedia at LP.org
> 16. mailto:[67]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 17. mailto:[68]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 18. tel:[69]217-412-5973
> 19. mailto:[70]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 20. mailto:
>[71] lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 21. [72]http://Caryn.An/
> 22. mailto:
>[73] Harlos at LP.org
> 23. mailto:[74] Secretary at LP.org.
> 24. mailto:[75] LPedia at LP.org
> 25. mailto:[76]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 26. [77]http://Caryn.An/
> 27. mailto:[78] Harlos at LP.org
> 28. mailto:[79] Secretary at LP.org.
> 29. mailto:[80] LPedia at LP.org
> 30. mailto:[81]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 31. mailto:[82]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 32. tel:[83]217-412-5973
> 2
> 33. mailto:[84]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 34. mailto:
>[85] lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 35. [86]http://Caryn.An/
> 36. mailto:
>[87] Harlos at LP.org
> 37. mailto:[88] Secretary at LP.org.
> 38. mailto:[89] LPedia at LP.org
> 39. mailto:[90]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 40. [91]http://Caryn.An/
> 41. mailto:[92] Harlos at LP.org
> 42. mailto:[93] Secretary at LP.org.
> 43. mailto:[94] LPedia at LP.org
> 44. mailto:[95]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 45. mailto:[96]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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4. tel:317-850-0726
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6. http://john.ph/
7. tel:217-412-5973
8. http://john.ph/
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10. tel:217-412-5973
11. mailto: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. mailto: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. http://Caryn.An/
14. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
16. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
17. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
18. http://Caryn.An/
19. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
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29. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
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31. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
32. http://Caryn.An/
33. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
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In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft
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Thank you Caryn Ann. I figured that as an answer, but you know what
happens if you assume instead of spelling it out.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos
Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 6:03 PM
To: Libertarian National Committee list;
Cc: Sam Goldstein[2];john.phillips at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for
independent vote audit
As one of the co-sponsors, these would be my answers:
1. Who is going to do the independent audit
The motion says two independent persons selected by the Chair, so the
answer is in the motion itself.
2. How will they meet and/or acquire the raw ballots to audit
I don't think mailing or copying or scanning is a technical hurdle and
that could be determined by the auditors.
3. What is the time line to finish the project
That is left open but it seems implied that the Chair would set a
deadline. It seems like a several week deadline is reasonable.
4. What is the cost for the independent audit and who is going to pay
for it.
This isn't a J. Edgar Hoover investigation - the implication was Party
volunteers not involved in the race. Such as regional representatives
or alternatives. If not volunteers, it seems the cost would be a
minimal hourly rate that would be somewhat trivial and should be
considered part of the cost of conducting the election - so out of the
convention budget.
5. Is this going to limited to just the At Large election or will it
include the Judicial Committee.
The motion says At-Large, so the answer is in the motion itself.
Now I would like to turn this question around to those who have not
co-sponsored. Why are you not requesting such a thing in a rushed and
unusual race with a one-vote margin in one race and a less than twenty
vote margin in multiple ones? Would we ever accept in any other
institution an audit by directly involved parties?
Now to John's question, of course they would. I am not even suggesting
anything different if the audit shows a serious mistake because I have
no idea what the protocol is if that happened as it is outside my ken
and an issue for the Chair.
I would hope this leads to some sort of Policy Manual addition about
automatic independent audits when vote counts are within a certain
narrow margin. It is good practice. Even if we had an electronic
voting system but most certainly in our current system which everyone
admits is prone to errors.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:13 PM, [3]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
<[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Plus my comments about current people serving while we wait on
results
so we do not get stuck in a loop.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1][5]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Sam Goldstein
Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 5:02 PM
To: [2][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: [3][7]john.phillips at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for
independent vote audit
Before we start an email ballot on an independent audit I would like
to
have answers to these questions from the sponsor and co-sponsors:
1. Who is going to do the independent audit
2. How will they meet and/or acquire the raw ballots to audit
3. What is the time line to finish the project
4. What is the cost for the independent audit and who is going to
pay
for it
5. Is this going to limited to just the At Large election or will it
include the Judicial Committee
I bet others will come up with additional questions. Think about
this
before you start asking for co-sponsors, please!
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
[4][8]317-850-0726 Cell
On [5][9]2018-07-11 11:45, [6][10]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
wrote:
> I may be too late for this, but it needs to be said.
> Yes I do support a vote audit, if only to provide our members
> clarity
> and closure. It is not that I do not think Alicia did fine
work.
> She
> busted tail and everyone who helped is to be commended. Simply
to
> confirm for our membership.
> Now on to what may be too late. I submit that an audit is only
good
> IF
> the currently understood members, of whichever vote gets
audited,
> continue to serve pending results. Otherwise our body can not
> continue
> to function until the audit is complete. Indeed if we do not
take
> that
> route we might theoretically be able to even complete the audit
or
> anything for 2 years. That outcome is unacceptable and clearly
NOT
> what the delegates intended.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1][7][11]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: [2][8][12]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
> Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 7:12 AM
> To: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business;
> Cc: [3[9]][13]john.phillips at lp.org;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for
> independent vote audit
> I will co-sponsor
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [4][10][14]217-412-5973
> ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
> Date: Wed,
> Jul 11, 2018 6:50 AMTo:[5][11] [15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc:
Caryn Ann
> Harlos;Subject:R
> e: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for independent
vote
> audit
> I co-sponsor.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[6]
>[12] [16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would have an
>> audit
>> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors
appointed
>> by
>> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for
co-sponsors.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and several
>> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked why
>> we
>> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate
with
>> my
>> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
>> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
>> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
>> interested
>> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do
this
>> is
>> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I
>> think
>> it proper that she turns the task over.
>> Richard Longstreth
>>
>> Region 1
>>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [7][13][17]Caryn.Ann.[8
> ]
>[14][18] Harlos at LP.org or[9][15][19] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[10][16][20]
LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
> I co-sponsor.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[1[11][17]][21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would
have
> an
> audit
> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors
> appointed by
> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for
> co-sponsors.
> ===
> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and
> several
> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked
> why
> we
> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate
> with my
> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who
an
> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
> interested
> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do
> this is
> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's
efforts,
> I
> think
> it proper that she turns the task over.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [2][12][18][22]Caryn.Ann.[13][19][23] Harlos at LP.org
or[14][20][24] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[15][21][25]
LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[16][22]:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto[17][23]:[27]Caryn.Ann.[28]Harlos at LP.org
>
> I will co-sponsor
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1][18][24][29]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 6:50 AM
> To: [2[19][25]][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors - Motion for
> independent vote audit
> I co-sponsor.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[3][20]
>[26] [31]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would have an
>> audit
>> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors
appointed
>> by
>> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for
co-sponsors.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and several
>> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked why
>> we
>> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate
with
>> my
>> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
>> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who an
>> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
>> interested
>> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do
this
>> is
>> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's efforts, I
>> think
>> it proper that she turns the task over.
>> Richard Longstreth
>>
>> Region 1
>>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [4][21][27][32]Caryn.An
> n.[5
> ][22]
>[28][33] Harlos at LP.org or[6][23][29][34] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[7][24][30][35]
LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
> I co-sponsor.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:28 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[1[8][25][31]][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> In the name of transparency, I move to that the LNC would
have
> an
> audit
> of the At Large ballots done by two independent auditors
> appointed by
> the Chair, ie someone not in the race. I am asking for
> co-sponsors.
> ===
> I have been in contact with at least one state chair and
> several
> concerned Region 1 members in the last 6 hours who have asked
> why
> we
> aren't doing an independent audit and their thoughts resonate
> with my
> own in terms of transparency and fairness.
> Imagine if this was a government function and the person who
an
> election by a narrow margin was the only one auditing. I am
> interested
> in preserving the integrity of the LNC and the only way to do
> this is
> with an independent audit. While I appreciate Alicia's
efforts,
> I
> think
> it proper that she turns the task over.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [2][9][26][32][37]Caryn.Ann.[10][27][33][38] Harlos at LP.org
or[11][28]
>[34][39] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[12][29][35][40]
LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[13][30][36]:[41]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto[14][31][37]:[42]Caryn.Ann.[43]Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[32][38][44]217-412-5973
> 2. mailto[33][39]:[45]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[34]
>[40] [46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. [35][41][47]http://Caryn.An/
> 5. mailto:[36]
>[42][48] Harlos at LP.org
> 6. mailto:[37][43][49] Secretary at LP.org.
> 7. mailto:[38][44][50] LPedia at LP.org
> 8. mailto:[39][45]][51]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. [40][46][52]http://Caryn.An/
> 10. mailto:[41][47][53] Harlos at LP.org
> 11. mailto:[42][48][54] Secretary at LP.org.
> 12. mailto:[43][49][55] LPedia at LP.org
> 13. mailto:[44][50]:[56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto:[45][51]:[57]Caryn.Ann.[58]Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[52][59]217-412-5973
> 2. [53][60]http://john.ph/
> 3. mailto[54]:[61]john.phillips at lp.org
> 4. tel:[55][62]217-412-5973
> 5. mailto:[56] [63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:
>[57] [64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. [58][65]http://Caryn.An/
> 8. mailto:
>[59][66] Harlos at LP.org
> 9. mailto:[60][67] Secretary at LP.org.
> 10. mailto:[61][68] LPedia at LP.org
> 11. mailto:[62]][69]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 12. [63][70]http://Caryn.An/
> 13. mailto:[64][71] Harlos at LP.org
> 14. mailto:[65][72] Secretary at LP.org.
> 15. mailto:[66][73] LPedia at LP.org
> 16. mailto:[67]:[74]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 17. mailto:[68]:[75]Caryn.Ann.Harlos@[76]LP.org
> 18. tel:[69][77]217-412-5973
> 19. mailto:[70]][78]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 20. mailto:
>[71] [79]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 21. [72][80]http://Caryn.An/
> 22. mailto:
>[73][81] Harlos at LP.org
> 23. mailto:[74][82] Secretary at LP.org.
> 24. mailto:[75][83] LPedia at LP.org
> 25. mailto:[76]][84]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 26. [77][85]http://Caryn.An/
> 27. mailto:[78][86] Harlos at LP.org
> 28. mailto:[79][87] Secretary at LP.org.
> 29. mailto:[80][88] LPedia at LP.org
> 30. mailto:[81]:[89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 31. mailto:[82]:[90]Caryn.Ann.Harlos@[91]LP.org
> 32. tel:[83][92]217-412-5973
> 2
> 33. mailto:[84]:[93]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 34. mailto:
>[85] [94]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 35. [86][95]http://Caryn.An/
> 36. mailto:
>[87][96] Harlos at LP.org
> 37. mailto:[88][97] Secretary at LP.org.
> 38. mailto:[89][98] LPedia at LP.org
> 39. mailto:[90]][99]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 40. [91][100]http://Caryn.An/
> 41. mailto:[92][101] Harlos at LP.org
> 42. mailto:[93][102] Secretary at LP.org.
> 43. mailto:[94][103] LPedia at LP.org
> 44. mailto:[95]:[104]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 45. mailto:[96]:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos@[106]LP.org
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2. mailto:[108]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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4. tel:[110]317-850-0726
5. tel:[111]2018-07-11 11
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12. mailto: [118]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. [119]http://Caryn.An/
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17. mailto:][123]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
18. [124]http://Caryn.An/
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20. mailto:[126] Secretary at LP.org.
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27. [133]http://Caryn.An/
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29. mailto:[135] Secretary at LP.org.
30. mailto:[136] LPedia at LP.org
31. mailto:][137]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
32. [138]http://Caryn.An/
33. mailto:[139] Harlos at LP.org
34. mailto:[140] Secretary at LP.org.
35. mailto:[141] LPedia at LP.org
36. mailto::[142]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
37. mailto::[143]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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40. mailto: [146]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
41. [147]http://Caryn.An/
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43. mailto:[149] Secretary at LP.org.
44. mailto:[150] LPedia at LP.org
45. mailto:][151]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
46. [152]http://Caryn.An/
47. mailto:[153] Harlos at LP.org
48. mailto:[154] Secretary at LP.org.
49. mailto:[155] LPedia at LP.org
50. mailto::[156]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
51. mailto::[157]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
52. tel:[158]217-412-5973
53. [159]http://john.ph/
54. mailto::[160]john.phillips at lp.org
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56. mailto: [162]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
57. mailto: [163]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
58. [164]http://Caryn.An/
59. mailto:[165] Harlos at LP.org
60. mailto:[166] Secretary at LP.org.
61. mailto:[167] LPedia at LP.org
62. mailto:][168]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
63. [169]http://Caryn.An/
64. mailto:[170] Harlos at LP.org
65. mailto:[171] Secretary at LP.org.
66. mailto:[172] LPedia at LP.org
67. mailto::[173]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
68. mailto::[174]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
69. tel:[175]217-412-5973
70. mailto:][176]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
71. mailto: [177]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
72. [178]http://Caryn.An/
73. mailto:[179] Harlos at LP.org
74. mailto:[180] Secretary at LP.org.
75. mailto:[181] LPedia at LP.org
76. mailto:][182]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
77. [183]http://Caryn.An/
78. mailto:[184] Harlos at LP.org
79. mailto:[185] Secretary at LP.org.
80. mailto:[186] LPedia at LP.org
81. mailto::[187]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
82. mailto::[188]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
83. tel:[189]217-412-5973
84. mailto::[190]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
85. mailto: [191]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
86. [192]http://Caryn.An/
87. mailto:[193] Harlos at LP.org
88. mailto:[194] Secretary at LP.org.
89. mailto:[195] LPedia at LP.org
90. mailto:][196]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
91. [197]http://Caryn.An/
92. mailto:[198] Harlos at LP.org
93. mailto:[199] Secretary at LP.org.
94. mailto:[200] LPedia at LP.org
95. mailto::[201]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
96. mailto::[202]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [203]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or[204] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[205] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:;john.phillips at lp.org
3. http://john.ph/
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. tel:217-412-5973
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
8. tel:317-850-0726
9. tel:2018-07-11 11
10. http://john.ph/
11. tel:217-412-5973
12. http://john.ph/
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16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. http://Caryn.An/
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19. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
20. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
22. http://Caryn.An/
23. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
24. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
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26. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
27. http://Caryn.An/
28. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
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31. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
32. http://Caryn.An/
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34. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
35. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
36. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
37. http://Caryn.An/
38. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
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41. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
42. http://Caryn.An/
43. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
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47. http://Caryn.An/
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51. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
52. http://Caryn.An/
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57. http://Caryn.An/
58. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
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84. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
85. http://Caryn.An/
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99. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
100. http://Caryn.An/
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111. tel:2018-07-11 11
112. http://john.ph/
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116. tel:217-412-5973
117. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
118. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
119. http://Caryn.An/
120. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
121. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
122. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
123. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
124. http://Caryn.An/
125. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
126. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
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128. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
129. http://Caryn.An/
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132. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
133. http://Caryn.An/
134. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
135. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
136. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
137. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
138. http://Caryn.An/
139. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
140. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
141. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
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143. http://Caryn.An/
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147. http://Caryn.An/
148. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
149. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
150. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
151. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
152. http://Caryn.An/
153. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
154. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
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156. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
157. http://Caryn.An/
158. tel:217-412-5973
159. http://john.ph/
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164. http://Caryn.An/
165. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
166. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
167. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
168. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
169. http://Caryn.An/
170. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
171. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
172. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
173. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
174. http://Caryn.An/
175. tel:217-412-5973
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178. http://Caryn.An/
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181. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
182. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
183. http://Caryn.An/
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185. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
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187. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
188. http://Caryn.An/
189. tel:217-412-5973
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191. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
192. http://Caryn.An/
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194. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
195. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
196. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
197. http://Caryn.An/
198. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
199. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
200. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
201. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
202. http://Caryn.An/
203. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
204. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
205. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
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