[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 20:23:43 EDT 2018
John I respectfully disagree. I think these discussions are productive
ultimately and transparency requires that they be public. I don't think
very many things should be ever taken off list. This list is the member's
accountability tool.
My constituency expects me to fight for what I think is right. I think
this whole thing stinks. Not purposefully nor do I think it was the
intent, but the way it is being handled after the fact is not right. We
need to have our own house in order before we can criticize the state.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> Elizabeth, Ms. Mattson said I was heckling her. Or was it hectoring? I
> don't care enough at this point to go look it up since it is a distinction
> without a difference. It was inappropriate. And as Craig pointed out, he
> was asking as much as I was.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> And right now all the gentlemen of the LNC are thinking that the ladies
> should just go outside and settle it fisticuffs.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > wrote:
>
>> Elizabeth, both you and I are email drowners. I was glad to have a
>> partner in crime when you came on board. I would love to see the stats
>> since then... wait... I can go look them up myself now :)
>>
>> I think the fact that you email a lot is a feature not a bug.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Nonsense. In your mind, but not mine. My intent matters.
>>>
>>> Believe me, I have no problem stating my mind. IF I want to say, "move
>>> on", I'll bloody well write that.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-07-11 20:02, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elizabeth,
>>>> The implication is the same. Regardless, you and I will disagree on
>>>> this, Thats fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-11 18:50, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Erin, I never told you to more on. Nor, did I "insist", that you do.
>>>>> What are you talking about? I suggested this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you could
>>>>> take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who have
>>>>> discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people makes no
>>>>> sense."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please go back and reread what I wrote. I don't appreciate you making
>>>>> up stuff that I never wrote. Sheesh, it's all right here in writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-07-11 19:43, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am glad we can agree on something. Just as you will continue to hold
>>>>>> your beliefs and stance, I will do the same. The difference being that
>>>>>> I am not telling you to move on even tho you insist that I do. I am
>>>>>> happy we have found agreement
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 18:38, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one is "diminishing" your stance. I also stated my opinion. Nor,
>>>>>>> am I not going to be silent when I see unwarranted accusations being
>>>>>>> tossed around on this list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, that's my opinion. Also, the accusations that Caryn Ann has
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>> about people being "silenced' is unwarranted. (Nor, am I the only to
>>>>>>> think this.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't have to agree, but neither do I have to be silent on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 19:25, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elizabeth,
>>>>>>>> It is an overall "feeling", Im clearly not the only person "feeling"
>>>>>>>> this, you dont have to agree, you dont have to acknowledge my stance
>>>>>>>> nor my feeling, you dont get to diminish my stance either. It is my
>>>>>>>> OPINION that there is a push to silence, like it or not, that IS my
>>>>>>>> belief. I dont need to justify that, it simply is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 13:42, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erin, what others? I haven't seen anyone on this list try to
>>>>>>>>> silence
>>>>>>>>> others. Most people have discussed, I added the type of feedback
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> getting in region 3, and what options they're wanting. Others have
>>>>>>>>> done the same. If anything there's been pressure put on those who
>>>>>>>>> want to move-on, by saying that people will bring up the topic
>>>>>>>>> constantly, and if a "yes" vote happens, that person immediately
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> gone after to change their vote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have voted yet, as I'm still getting opinions from my region,
>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>> can say that no one has shown an interest in rehashing the At-Large
>>>>>>>>> vote. For the JC, more seem inclined to just *not* have a JC, and
>>>>>>>>> have the body elect a new JC in 2020. (Some others wish to have us
>>>>>>>>> accept the top-seven vote-getters of the JC)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you could
>>>>>>>>> take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who have
>>>>>>>>> discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people makes no
>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 10:50, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Bishop-Henchman,
>>>>>>>>>> YOU may not be but others CERTAINLY are. The tone of many seems
>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>> Shut up and get over it. Let me be clear that I have NO intention
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> doing that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 09:40, Joe Bishop-Henchman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Adams,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By my count we have sent 400 emails to each other in a week. Ms.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos has sent 18 emails in the last twelve hours, more than
>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>> sent in total in a week. People may gripe about it but no one is
>>>>>>>>>>> actually being silenced.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing my best to respond to points being made, answering
>>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>> and respectfully if energetically countering arguments. Your
>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>>> to me was that the proposal I've sponsored is "bullshit,"
>>>>>>>>>>> "unacceptable," "gross," "vile," and "sickening." You then
>>>>>>>>>>> complained
>>>>>>>>>>> about the tone of the debate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to have a good working relationship with all of
>>>>>>>>>>> you. On
>>>>>>>>>>> Bylaws, if I was on the winning side of votes I made sure the
>>>>>>>>>>> minority
>>>>>>>>>>> got a fair shake at presenting their views. If I was on the
>>>>>>>>>>> losing
>>>>>>>>>>> side, I accepted it and did my best to make sure that what we had
>>>>>>>>>>> passed worked. And I never resorted to name-calling or
>>>>>>>>>>> martyrdom. The
>>>>>>>>>>> enemy isn't on this Committee. The enemy are the people out there
>>>>>>>>>>> passing warrantless wiretapping, locking refugee kids up in
>>>>>>>>>>> cages,
>>>>>>>>>>> bombing the world, and spending us into oblivion. I promise I
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> keep sight of that and will greatly respect all of you who do
>>>>>>>>>>> also,
>>>>>>>>>>> even if we occasionally disagree on how we will do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JBH
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 10:24, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not true
>>>>>>>>>>>> that "
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing we can do about it
>>>>>>>>>>>> at this point except live with it the best we can for two
>>>>>>>>>>>> years." and
>>>>>>>>>>>> honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from some
>>>>>>>>>>>> in an
>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle up
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> if this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> hate me the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be
>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissed
>>>>>>>>>>>> and silenced.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections went
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing we can do about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this point except live with it the best we can for two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have a fix in place before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made effective immediately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is supposed to just be for recording
>>>>>>>>>>>>> votes on the motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh my goodness. I am sorry but this is beyond belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to NOT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yell it from the rooftops? What Party am I in again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed, to a point. At some time, preaching to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choir becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counter productive. As noted earlier, we are all aware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone happy immediately. We all want to fix it, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday. I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's points,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bring it up once a week. Absolutely. Don't bring it up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 times a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. Stopping multiple times to read the same arguments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time from working on fixing it, and promoting the party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a point we 90% or more agree on IS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterproductive. Let's move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on and FIX IT.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this crap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking out for the membership and delegates is nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. I personally hope it is brought up at least once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a week until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions are in place to prevent it from ever happening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully decline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][2]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just shut up about this already!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS: Before this vote ends, I am going to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something together
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to convince you that this is actually one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst ways to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first issue - that of steering the delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down that road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever do. If it were up to me, I would punt it all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The second issue - of how to handle this situation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the JC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are trying to solve it now and I think we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ethically and procedurally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And a remaining issue - is one where me and RONR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rules are tools. Just because a rule allows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is right, and this is probably why the first issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is sticking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> craw so badly. It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election mid-way. There is a huge difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plurality and our candidates deserve to know as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. We treated them and their efforts as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pawns, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know some of you are thinking, just shut up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it was with the eternal secrecy clause last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way we are going to learn as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization is if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit painful. And in so doing we will model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-the-top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our members rather than political expediency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][2][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't even vote in the two races because we put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them off so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> votes in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At-Large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left us in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean we ran in front of a racing car and now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is more than that. The delegates were led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a certain direction. There WERE other options.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agrees with the voting methodology, it is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> methodology and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent was to use approval voting to show approval
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its head. Why weren't the delegates given other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motion - are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they all? I don't think so. And I do think my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complaint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the delegates were steered in a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored at best (or maligned at worst).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of legality:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at-large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind that had they been asked they would have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A room of several hundred Libertarians were not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coerced into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - they went with what Nick suggested because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do. He just told them how.===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is where the dispute is. Most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trusted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I use us as Nick was acting as the spokesperson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were presented with two choices in which they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> led down a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular path. You are an attorney Joe, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting at here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that if they were offered a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rising vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the spot to choose between options they would not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never ocurred to most of them that there WERE any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't immediately occur to me and I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-versed in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stinks. If a government acted this way we would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lathered up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[2][3][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates didn't even vote in the two races
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because we put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't cast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> votes in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who stay and vote - but oh my did we make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it hard. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination of voting methodology, tabulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> method, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheduling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left us in a bad place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in motion -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not dispute that one can reasonably argue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that every JC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate was disapproved and that it should sit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> empty until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of legality:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at-large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt in my mind that had they been asked they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same for the JC. A room of several hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coerced into doing that - they went with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's what they wanted to do. He just told them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want the LNC fighting over who would fill the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seats if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left vacant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to write
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweeping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a big priority for many of us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JBH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suspension of the rules has to be specific and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fact that we used the number 5 over and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is taking things to an even deeper level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improper. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> object to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent choice and now to just infer this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bridges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweeping it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are people looking at us and seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government we wish to reform.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a controversial election and at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least one state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate has been asking for the state by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state rallies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame given him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole thing was an affront to people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expecting an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different thing when they ran. I will not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sanguine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][3][4][5]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This point did come up immediately after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjournment,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still at the mic. I don't recall who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought it up, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was made that it would follow the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedure as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At-Large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, since we were no longer in session.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one raised the question prior to that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whitney Bilyeu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 7 Representative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[2][4][5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua they were not given a choice on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[1][3][5][6][7]joshua.smith at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I vote yes. Given that the delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convention
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a few short days ago, I believe we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua D. Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Votes are due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pacific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merced, Van
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Motion:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > following to the Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> four-year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perry, Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bennett,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can keep track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > manual tally of votes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1][2][4][6][7][8]https://tiny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kansas, Montana,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utah,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Washington)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Communications Director,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Chair, LP Historical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > A haiku to the Statement of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1. [3][5][7][8][9]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2. mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 3. [5][6][8][9][10]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lpcolor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. mailto:[7][9][10][11]joshua.sm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. [8][10][11][12]https://tinyurl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. [9][11][12][13]https://tinyurl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. [11][12][13][14]http://www.lpc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. mailto:[13][14][15]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:[14][15][16]lnc-busines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. mailto:[15][16][17]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. [16][17][18]https://tinyurl.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. [17][18][19]https://tinyurl.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. [18][19][20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. mailto:[19][20][21]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. [20][21][22]https://tinyurl.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. [21][22][23]https://tinyurl.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. [23][23][24]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JBH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [26][24][25]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [27][25][26]www.facebook.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. mailto:[26][27]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:[27][28]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. mailto:[28][29]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. mailto:[29][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. mailto:[30][31]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. [31][32]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. [33][34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. mailto:[34][35]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. [35][36]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. [36][37]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. [37][38]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13. mailto:[38][39]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14. mailto:[39][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15. mailto:[40][41]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16. [41][42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17. [42][43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18. [43][44]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19. mailto:[44][45]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20. [45][46]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21. [46][47]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23. [48][48]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 26. mailto:[51][49]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 27. [52][50]http://www.facebook.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - [55]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. mailto:[51]sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:[52]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. mailto:[54]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. mailto:[55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. mailto:[56]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. [57]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. [59]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. mailto:[60]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13. [63]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14. mailto:[64]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15. mailto:[65]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16. mailto:[66]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17. [67]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19. [69]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20. mailto:[70]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21. [71]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22. [72]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23. [73]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24. mailto:[74]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25. [75]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 26. mailto:[76]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 27. mailto:[77]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28. mailto:[78]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29. mailto:[79]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30. mailto:[80]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31. [81]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32. [82]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33. [83]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 34. mailto:[84]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35. [85]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 36. [86]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 37. [87]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 38. mailto:[88]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 39. mailto:[89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40. mailto:[90]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 41. [91]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 42. [92]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 43. [93]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 44. mailto:[94]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 45. [95]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 46. [96]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 47. mailto:[97]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 48. [98]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 49. mailto:[99]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 51. mailto:[101]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 52. [102]http://www.facebook.com/g
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53. mailto:[103]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 55. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - [106]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 26. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 27. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 36. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 37. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 38. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 39. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 41. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 42. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 43. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 44. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 45. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 46. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 47. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 48. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 49. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 51. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 52. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 53. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 55. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 56. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 57. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 58. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 59. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 61. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 62. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 63. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 64. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 65. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 66. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 67. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 68. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 69. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 70. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 71. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 72. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 74. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 75. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 76. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 77. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 78. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 79. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 80. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 81. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 82. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 83. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 84. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 85. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 86. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 87. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 88. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 89. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 91. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 92. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 93. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 94. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 95. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 96. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 97. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 98. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 99. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 101. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 102. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 103. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 104. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 105. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 106. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
-------------- next part --------------
John I respectfully disagree. I think these discussions are
productive ultimately and transparency requires that they be public. I
don't think very many things should be ever taken off list. This list
is the member's accountability tool.
My constituency expects me to fight for what I think is right. I think
this whole thing stinks. Not purposefully nor do I think it was the
intent, but the way it is being handled after the fact is not right.
We need to have our own house in order before we can criticize the
state.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Elizabeth, Ms. Mattson said I was heckling her. Or was it hectoring? I
don't care enough at this point to go look it up since it is a
distinction without a difference. It was inappropriate. And as Craig
pointed out, he was asking as much as I was.
-Caryn Ann
And right now all the gentlemen of the LNC are thinking that the ladies
should just go outside and settle it fisticuffs.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Elizabeth, both you and I are email drowners. I was glad to have a
partner in crime when you came on board. I would love to see the stats
since then... wait... I can go look them up myself now :)
I think the fact that you email a lot is a feature not a bug.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Nonsense. In your mind, but not mine. My intent matters.
Believe me, I have no problem stating my mind. IF I want to say,
"move on", I'll bloody well write that.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2018-07-11 20:02, [4]erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
Elizabeth,
The implication is the same. Regardless, you and I will disagree on
this, Thats fine.
On 2018-07-11 18:50, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
Erin, I never told you to more on. Nor, did I "insist", that you
do.
What are you talking about? I suggested this:
"If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you could
take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who have
discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people makes no
sense."
Please go back and reread what I wrote. I don't appreciate you
making
up stuff that I never wrote. Sheesh, it's all right here in
writing.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-07-11 19:43, [5]erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
I am glad we can agree on something. Just as you will continue to
hold
your beliefs and stance, I will do the same. The difference being
that
I am not telling you to move on even tho you insist that I do. I am
happy we have found agreement
On 2018-07-11 18:38, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
No one is "diminishing" your stance. I also stated my opinion.
Nor,
am I not going to be silent when I see unwarranted accusations being
tossed around on this list.
Yes, that's my opinion. Also, the accusations that Caryn Ann has
made
about people being "silenced' is unwarranted. (Nor, am I the only
to
think this.)
You don't have to agree, but neither do I have to be silent on this.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-07-11 19:25, [6]erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
Elizabeth,
It is an overall "feeling", Im clearly not the only person "feeling"
this, you dont have to agree, you dont have to acknowledge my stance
nor my feeling, you dont get to diminish my stance either. It is my
OPINION that there is a push to silence, like it or not, that IS my
belief. I dont need to justify that, it simply is.
On 2018-07-11 13:42, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
Erin, what others? I haven't seen anyone on this list try to
silence
others. Most people have discussed, I added the type of feedback I'm
getting in region 3, and what options they're wanting. Others have
done the same. If anything there's been pressure put on those who
want to move-on, by saying that people will bring up the topic
constantly, and if a "yes" vote happens, that person immediately
being
gone after to change their vote.
I have voted yet, as I'm still getting opinions from my region, but
I
can say that no one has shown an interest in rehashing the At-Large
vote. For the JC, more seem inclined to just *not* have a JC, and
have the body elect a new JC in 2020. (Some others wish to have us
accept the top-seven vote-getters of the JC)
If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you could
take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who have
discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people makes no
sense.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-07-11 10:50, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Mr. Bishop-Henchman,
YOU may not be but others CERTAINLY are. The tone of many seems to
be
Shut up and get over it. Let me be clear that I have NO intention of
doing that.
On 2018-07-11 09:40, Joe Bishop-Henchman wrote:
Ms. Adams,
By my count we have sent 400 emails to each other in a week. Ms.
Harlos has sent 18 emails in the last twelve hours, more than I've
sent in total in a week. People may gripe about it but no one is
actually being silenced.
I'm doing my best to respond to points being made, answering
questions
and respectfully if energetically countering arguments. Your
response
to me was that the proposal I've sponsored is "bullshit,"
"unacceptable," "gross," "vile," and "sickening." You then
complained
about the tone of the debate.
I would like to have a good working relationship with all of you. On
Bylaws, if I was on the winning side of votes I made sure the
minority
got a fair shake at presenting their views. If I was on the losing
side, I accepted it and did my best to make sure that what we had
passed worked. And I never resorted to name-calling or martyrdom.
The
enemy isn't on this Committee. The enemy are the people out there
passing warrantless wiretapping, locking refugee kids up in cages,
bombing the world, and spending us into oblivion. I promise I will
keep sight of that and will greatly respect all of you who do also,
even if we occasionally disagree on how we will do it.
JBH
On 2018-07-11 10:24, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not true that
"
There is nothing we can do about it
at this point except live with it the best we can for two years."
and
honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from some in an
attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle up
folks,
if this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of you will
hate me the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be
dismissed
and silenced.
On 2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Caryn Ann,
We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections went awry.
There is nothing we can do about it
at this point except live with it the best we can for two years. We
will have a fix in place before the
convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the delegates
and
made effective immediately.
At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot thread
which is supposed to just be for recording
votes on the motion.
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Oh my goodness. I am sorry but this is beyond belief.
I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am supposed
to NOT
yell it from the rooftops? What Party am I in again?
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business
<[1][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Agreed, to a point. At some time, preaching to the choir
becomes
counter productive. As noted earlier, we are all aware that it
sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that will make
everyone happy immediately. We all want to fix it, and fix it
yesterday. I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's points, and
yours.
Bring it up once a week. Absolutely. Don't bring it up 5
times a
day. Stopping multiple times to read the same arguments takes
away
time from working on fixing it, and promoting the party in
other
ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us up
continually
on a point we 90% or more agree on IS counterproductive. Let's
move
on and FIX IT.
Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let this crap
happen again.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
Looking out for the membership and delegates is nothing to be
quiet
about. I personally hope it is brought up at least once a week
until
solutions are in place to prevent it from ever happening again.
Respectfully,
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On 2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I respectfully decline.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein
<[1][2][8]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
wrote:
Caryn Ann,
Just shut up about this already!
Respectfully,
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
PS: Before this vote ends, I am going to put something
together
to try
to convince you that this is actually one of the worst
ways to
solve.
My first issue - that of steering the delegates down that
road
with
at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in any way
that we
would
ever do. If it were up to me, I would punt it all back
to the
delegates.
The second issue - of how to handle this situation with
the JC
-
well
we are trying to solve it now and I think we are solving
it
wrong
both
ethically and procedurally.
And a remaining issue - is one where me and RONR come
into
conflict.
Rules are tools. Just because a rule allows something
doesn't
mean
it
is right, and this is probably why the first issue is
sticking
in my
craw so badly. It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT to change
the
rules of
an
election mid-way. There is a huge difference between
majority
and
plurality and our candidates deserve to know as it
effects the
way
they
campaign. We treated them and their efforts as pawns,
and it
isn't
right.
I know some of you are thinking, just shut up about this
already.
Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this is one of
them.
Just
like it was with the eternal secrecy clause last term.
The only way we are going to learn as an organization is
if
this is
a
bit painful. And in so doing we will model over-the-top
integrity
to
our members rather than political expediency.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][2][3][9]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get
the
state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that hundreds
of
delegates
didn't even vote in the two races because we put them off
so
long.
In
the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast votes in
the
At-Large
and
JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won by those
who
stay and
vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The combination of
voting
methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling left us in
a
bad
place.===
You mean we ran in front of a racing car and now are
surprised
we
got
ran over?
But it is more than that. The delegates were led to make
a
decision
in
a certain direction. There WERE other options. Whether
or
not one
agrees with the voting methodology, it is the methodology
and
its
intent was to use approval voting to show approval and we
turned it
on
its head. Why weren't the delegates given other options?
==All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
complain.
As far
as
actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
reasonable.
Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all Party
members or
us
filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in motion -
are
even
more
violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==
Are they all? I don't think so. And I do think my very
real
complaint
of how the delegates were steered in a certain direction
is
being
ignored at best (or maligned at worst).
==The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
legality:
the
delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
candidates
and
the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's also
no
doubt in
my
mind that had they been asked they would have done the
same
for the
JC.
A room of several hundred Libertarians were not coerced
into
doing
that
- they went with what Nick suggested because that's what
they
wanted
to
do. He just told them how.===
And that is where the dispute is. Most of the people
there
trusted
us
(I use us as Nick was acting as the spokesperson of the
LNC
and this
isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them what they
wanted.
They
were presented with two choices in which they were led
down a
particular path. You are an attorney Joe, you know
exactly
what I
am
getting at here.
Do you really think that if they were offered a majority
rising vote
on
the spot to choose between options they would not have
taken
that?
It
never ocurred to most of them that there WERE any other
options. It
didn't immediately occur to me and I am well-versed in
this
stuff.
It
stinks. If a government acted this way we would be all
lathered up.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman
<[2][3][4][10]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get
the
state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that
hundreds of
delegates didn't even vote in the two races because we
put
them
off
so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states didn't
cast
votes in
the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules - elections
are
won by
those who stay and vote - but oh my did we make it
hard. The
combination of voting methodology, tabulation method,
and
scheduling
left us in a bad place.
All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
complain.
As far
as
actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
reasonable.
Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all
Party
members
or
us filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in
motion -
are
even
more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.
I do not dispute that one can reasonably argue that
every JC
candidate was disapproved and that it should sit empty
until
2022.
The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
legality:
the
delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
candidates
and the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's
also
no
doubt in my mind that had they been asked they would
have
done the
same for the JC. A room of several hundred Libertarians
were
not
coerced into doing that - they went with what Nick
suggested
because
that's what they wanted to do. He just told them how.
They
didn't
want the LNC fighting over who would fill the seats if
they
were
left vacant.
I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did want to
write
this to
emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or sweeping
anything
blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking how we do
elections
will
be a big priority for many of us.
JBH
On 2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
Suspension of the rules has to be specific and there is
no
way
around
the fact that we used the number 5 over and over.
This is taking things to an even deeper level of
improper. I
object to
the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the
delegates
made an
independent choice and now to just infer this upon
that
is two
bridges
too far.
This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of
sweeping it
under
the rug.
It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole
situation
is
being
taken.
There are people looking at us and seeing nothing
different
than
the
government we wish to reform.
There was a controversial election and at least one
state
chair
and
candidate has been asking for the state by state
rallies
with
no
time
frame given him.
The whole thing was an affront to people expecting
an
entirely
different thing when they ran. I will not be
sanguine
about
it.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
<[1][3][4][5][11]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
This point did come up immediately after
adjournment,
while
Nick
was
still at the mic. I don't recall who brought it
up, but
the
statement
was made that it would follow the same procedure
as
At-Large
at
that
point, since we were no longer in session.
No one raised the question prior to that.
Whitney Bilyeu
Region 7 Representative
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
via
Lnc-business
<[2][4][5][6][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Joshua they were not given a choice on this.
The
JC
never
came
up.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
<[1][3][5][6][7][13]joshua.smith at lp.org>
wrote:
I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given
the
choice
at
convention
just a few short days ago, I believe we should
respect
that
decision.
Thanks,
Joshua D. Smith
On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are
due
to the
LNC-Business
> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm
Pacific
time.
Co-Sponsors:
> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced,
Van
Horn
Motion:
Move
> that
> the Libertarian National Committee
acknowledge
the
election of
the
> following to the Judicial Committee for a
four-year
term:
D.
Frank
> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry,
Ruth
Bennett,
Geoff
Neale,
> Jim
> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep
track
of
the
Secretary's
> manual tally of votes here:
[1][2][4][6][7][8][14]https://tiny
url.com/lncvoting
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
National
Committee
(Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
Montana,
Utah,
Wyoming,
> Washington)
> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director,
[3]Libertarian
Party of
Colorado
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation
Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of
Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. [3][5][7][8][9][15]https://tinyurl
.co
m/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 3. [5][6][8][9][10][16]http://www.lpc
olor
[17]ado.org/
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
Committee
Secretary
- [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[7][9][10][11][18]joshua.sm
ith at lp.org
2. [8][10][11][12][19]https://tinyurl
.com/lncvoting
3. [9][11][12][13][20]https://tinyurl
.com/lncvoting
4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
5. [11][12][13][14][21]http://www.lpc
olorado.org/
6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
Committee
Secretary
- [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[13][14][15][22]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
2. mailto:[14][15][16][23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:[15][16][17][24]joshua.smith at lp.org
4. [16][17][18][25]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
5. [17][18][19][26]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. [18][19][20][27]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
7. mailto:[19][20][21][28]joshua.smith at lp.org
8. [20][21][22][29]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
9. [21][22][23][30]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
11. [23][23][24][31]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
JBH
------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
[26][24][25][32]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
[27][25][26][33]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[26][27][34]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:[27][28][35]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
3. mailto:[28][29][36]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
4. mailto:[29][30][37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[30][31][38]joshua.smith at lp.org
6. [31][32][39]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
7. [32][33][40]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. [33][34][41]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
9. mailto:[34][35][42]joshua.smith at lp.org
10. [35][36][43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
11. [36][37][44]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
12. [37][38][45]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
13. mailto:[38][39][46]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
14. mailto:[39][40][47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
15. mailto:[40][41][48]joshua.smith at lp.org
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17. [42][43][50]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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19. mailto:[44][45][52]joshua.smith at lp.org
20. [45][46][53]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
21. [46][47][54]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
22. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
23. [48][48][55]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
24. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
25. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
26. mailto:[51][49][56]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
27. [52][50][57]http://www.facebook.co
m/groups/189510455174837
28. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
29. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [55]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[51][58]sam.goldstein at lp.org
2. mailto:[52][59]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:[53][60]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
4. mailto:[54][61]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
5. mailto:[55][62]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:[56][63]joshua.smith at lp.org
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8. [58][65]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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10. mailto:[60][67]joshua.smith at lp.org
11. [61][68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
12. [62][69]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
13. [63][70]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
14. mailto:[64][71]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
15. mailto:[65][72]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto:[66][73]joshua.smith at lp.org
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18. [68][75]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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22. [72][79]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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24. mailto:[74][81]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
25. [75][82]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
26. mailto:[76][83]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
27. mailto:[77][84]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
28. mailto:[78][85]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
29. mailto:[79][86]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
30. mailto:[80][87]joshua.smith at lp.org
31. [81][88]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
32. [82][89]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
33. [83][90]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
34. mailto:[84][91]joshua.smith at lp.org
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36. [86][93]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
37. [87][94]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
38. mailto:[88][95]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
39. mailto:[89][96]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
40. mailto:[90][97]joshua.smith at lp.org
41. [91][98]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
42. [92][99]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
43. [93][100]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
44. mailto:[94][101]joshua.smith at lp.org
45. [95][102]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
46. [96][103]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
47. mailto:[97]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
48. [98][104]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
49. mailto:[99]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
50. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
51. mailto:[101][105]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
52. [102][106]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
53. mailto:[103]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
54. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
55. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [106]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[107]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[108]sam.goldstein at lp.org
3. mailto:[109]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. mailto:[110]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
5. mailto:[111]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
6. mailto:[112]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:[113]joshua.smith at lp.org
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11. mailto:[117]joshua.smith at lp.org
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15. mailto:[121]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
16. mailto:[122]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. mailto:[123]joshua.smith at lp.org
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25. mailto:[131]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
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27. mailto:[133]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
28. mailto:[134]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
29. mailto:[135]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
30. mailto:[136]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
31. mailto:[137]joshua.smith at lp.org
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52. mailto:[158]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
53. mailto:[159]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
54. mailto:[160]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
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90. mailto:[196]joshua.smith at lp.org
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99. mailto:[205]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
100. mailto:[206]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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103. mailto:[209]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
104. mailto:[210]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
105. mailto:[211]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
106. mailto:[212]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [213]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [214]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [215]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
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215. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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