[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-12: INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF AT-LARGE VOTE RESULTS

[William Redpath]

I vote No.  Bill Redpath

On 2018-07-12 11:09, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> I vote no.
> 
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> 
> Reasons:
> 
> 1)  I might have been inclined to vote yes, until I looked at the
> screenshots of the state tally sheets for At-Large.  Some things
> struck me as potential problems, and if they could be problems in the
> At-Large votes, it could potentially be a problem on all the LNC
> votes. Joe Bishop-Henchman was a delegation chair and signed off on
> the tally sheet for his delegation.  Joe Buchman was a delegation
> chair, and signed off on his delegation tally sheet. And so on.  Do I
> think either of these men did anything wrong?  No, but the possibly
> exists.  Now, if I extrapolate that possibility to all the
> delegations, there's potential for plenty of problems, and not just in
> the At-Large race.  Mr. Harlos was a delegation chair, and his wife
> was a candidate. Dan Reale was a delegation chair and was a candidate.
> Drew Layda also was a delegation chair, and was a candidate. There may
> be more that I missed.  ALL of these *could* be potential problems.
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> 2) The discussion of tallies, ballots, and votes has prompted a
> discussion in the Region 3 group.  A person who was a candidate for
> the Region Alternate spot asked if anyone had the ballots from the
> region's voting, as he was interested in seeing them.  One state still
> has theirs, two states indicated they'd disposed of the ballots, but
> think they did everything correct.  (We know that the rate of error
> was fairly consistent with other ballots, so I suspect there're
> probably some errors in the Region 3 ballots and tallies too.) The
> fourth state in Region 3 hasn't responded to the question.  Region 3
> had three good candidates from 3 different states vying for the
> Alternate spots.  I'm fairly positive that the winner was Dustin Nanna
> who's on this email list, and I don't think anyone is calling that
> result into question.  But, someone who was an alternate did ask about
> seeing the ballots and he won't be able to, and that is problematic.
> As we have no way to verify or audit the Region 3 votes.  I'm thinking
> other regions are similar, in that they too couldn't do a proper audit
> now if asked.
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> 3 )  I'd probably vote for an audit that included ALL the LNC and the
> Judicial Committee races.  (Taking into consideration that the Regions
> are probably ill-equipped to do so)  As why should some leadership
> races be given more focus and prominence than others?  This seems to
> be a trend, in that the regional votes were done in a haphazard
> manner. Yet this body has spent considerable time focused on other
> races. Region 3 did it's voting in a hallway, and we were given one
> hour to assemble all the delegates, do a role-call of sorts, which
> wasn't ideal. Acoustics not good and delegates couldn't hear the
> candidates, it was hot, and other people milling around, getting
> mixed-up with Region 3 people. Having our own room/space would've been
> preferable. (Hopefully, for 2020, regions can be given more
> consideration. This is LP business, and we shouldn't be shunted into
> halls and given short-shrift.)
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> 4)   If the reason for doing an audit is principals, then there needs
> to be an audit of *all* the LP LNC races, including Chair, Vice-Chair,
> Secretary, and Treasurer, At-Large, and all the Regions too. Along
> with the Judicial Committee. (Which I now see the JC has it's own
> motion) I'd like to see ALL the races and candidates given the same
> consideration.  On the LNC a Region Rep has one vote, the same as an
> At-Large or an Officer.  Yet, there seems to be an undue level of
> importance placed on some candidates/races over others. For the sake
> of principals, I'd like to see more equity in treatment. I see no
> valid reason why the At-Large race is more likely to be error-prone
> than any of the races. If we want to be principled about the results,
> we do an audit of all the races.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Chair-LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 
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> 
> On 2018-07-12 02:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>>    list by July 19, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: 
>> Bowden,
>>    Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
>>    Motion: Move that the LNC would have an audit of the At Large 
>> ballots
>>    done by two independent auditors appointed by the Chair, ie someone 
>> not
>>    in the race.  You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>    votes here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>    - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>    1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org