[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC

Fri Jul 13 22:08:48 EDT 2018

 Erin,

Can you pretty please with sugar on top just stop the insulting insinuations? It’s my overall ‘feeling’ that this is counterproductive and hurtful.   

You’re a dedicated activist and hard worker. And yet you are involved in a stupid catfight with *another* dedicated activist and hard worker fighting the same battle. Consider for one second that it might not *just* be that other person who is entirely at fault. Consider that communication styles vary, and that wide latitude should be made by considerate people working toward a common goal.   

Everything you have written in this thread is like a hammerblow to my carefully cultivated rational serenity, so please stop acting like you are some sort of gentle communications expert and Elizabeth is somehow ‘violent’ in her responses.   

  Susan Jane Hogarth

  Region 5 Alternate

  919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)

>   
> On Jul 13, 2018 at 9:54 PM,  <erin.adams--- via Lnc-business (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  "Stop the insulting insinuations" stated as a directive (order)  
> Nonviolent Communication holds that most conflicts between individuals  
> or groups arise from miscommunication about their human needs, due to  
> coercive or manipulative language that aims to induce fear, guilt,  
> shame, etc. These "violent" modes of communication, when used during a  
> conflict, divert the attention of the participants away from clarifying  
> their needs, their feelings, their perceptions, and their requests, thus  
> perpetuating the conflict.  
>
> Perhaps it isnt what was said but the way it was said that is the issue.  
> Food for thought  
>
>
> On 2018-07-12 21:28, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:  
> >  Erin, NO ONE is ordering you around. Stop the insulting insinuations.  
> >   
> >  ---  
> >  Elizabeth Van Horn  
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >  On 2018-07-12 21:49, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:  
> >>  Say whatever youd like, It wont change a damn thing. If I was cool  
> >>  with being ordered around, Id likely be a member of the duopoly, Im  
> >>  not.Im fairly certain anyone who knows me will tell you that Im picky  
> >>  about who I let tell me what to do, you dont qualify.  
> >>   
> >>  On 2018-07-11 19:09, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:  
> >>>  Nonsense. In your mind, but not mine. My intent matters.  
> >>>   
> >>>  Believe me, I have no problem stating my mind. IF I want to say,  
> >>>  "move  
> >>>  on", I'll bloody well write that.  
> >>>   
> >>>  ---  
> >>>  Elizabeth Van Horn  
> >>>  LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)  
> >>>   
> >>>   
> >>>  On 2018-07-11 20:02, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:  
> >>>>  Elizabeth,  
> >>>>  The implication is the same. Regardless, you and I will disagree on  
> >>>>  this, Thats fine.  
> >>>>   
> >>>>   
> >>>>   
> >>>>  On 2018-07-11 18:50, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:  
> >>>>>  Erin, I never told you to more on. Nor, did I "insist", that you  
> >>>>>  do.  
> >>>>>  What are you talking about? I suggested this:  
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>  "If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you could  
> >>>>>  take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who have  
> >>>>>  discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people makes no  
> >>>>>  sense."  
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>  Please go back and reread what I wrote. I don't appreciate you  
> >>>>>  making  
> >>>>>  up stuff that I never wrote. Sheesh, it's all right here in  
> >>>>>  writing.  
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>  ---  
> >>>>>  Elizabeth Van Horn  
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>   
> >>>>>  On 2018-07-11 19:43, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:  
> >>>>>>  I am glad we can agree on something. Just as you will continue to  
> >>>>>>  hold  
> >>>>>>  your beliefs and stance, I will do the same. The difference being  
> >>>>>>  that  
> >>>>>>  I am not telling you to move on even tho you insist that I do. I  
> >>>>>>  am  
> >>>>>>  happy we have found agreement  
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>   
> >>>>>>  On 2018-07-11 18:38, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:  
> >>>>>>>  No one is "diminishing" your stance. I also stated my opinion.  
> >>>>>>>  Nor,  
> >>>>>>>  am I not going to be silent when I see unwarranted accusations  
> >>>>>>>  being  
> >>>>>>>  tossed around on this list.  
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>  Yes, that's my opinion. Also, the accusations that Caryn Ann has  
> >>>>>>>  made  
> >>>>>>>  about people being "silenced' is unwarranted. (Nor, am I the  
> >>>>>>>  only to  
> >>>>>>>  think this.)  
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>  You don't have to agree, but neither do I have to be silent on  
> >>>>>>>  this.  
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>  ---  
> >>>>>>>  Elizabeth Van Horn  
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>  On 2018-07-11 19:25, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>  Elizabeth,  
> >>>>>>>>  It is an overall "feeling", Im clearly not the only person  
> >>>>>>>>  "feeling"  
> >>>>>>>>  this, you dont have to agree, you dont have to acknowledge my  
> >>>>>>>>  stance  
> >>>>>>>>  nor my feeling, you dont get to diminish my stance either. It is  
> >>>>>>>>  my  
> >>>>>>>>  OPINION that there is a push to silence, like it or not, that IS  
> >>>>>>>>  my  
> >>>>>>>>  belief. I dont need to justify that, it simply is.  
> >>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-11 13:42, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>  Erin, what others? I haven't seen anyone on this list try to  
> >>>>>>>>>  silence  
> >>>>>>>>>  others. Most people have discussed, I added the type of  
> >>>>>>>>>  feedback I'm  
> >>>>>>>>>  getting in region 3, and what options they're wanting. Others  
> >>>>>>>>>  have  
> >>>>>>>>>  done the same. If anything there's been pressure put on those  
> >>>>>>>>>  who  
> >>>>>>>>>  want to move-on, by saying that people will bring up the topic  
> >>>>>>>>>  constantly, and if a "yes" vote happens, that person  
> >>>>>>>>>  immediately being  
> >>>>>>>>>  gone after to change their vote.  
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>  I have voted yet, as I'm still getting opinions from my region,  
> >>>>>>>>>  but I  
> >>>>>>>>>  can say that no one has shown an interest in rehashing the  
> >>>>>>>>>  At-Large  
> >>>>>>>>>  vote. For the JC, more seem inclined to just *not* have a JC,  
> >>>>>>>>>  and  
> >>>>>>>>>  have the body elect a new JC in 2020. (Some others wish to have  
> >>>>>>>>>  us  
> >>>>>>>>>  accept the top-seven vote-getters of the JC)  
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>  If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you  
> >>>>>>>>>  could  
> >>>>>>>>>  take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who  
> >>>>>>>>>  have  
> >>>>>>>>>  discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people  
> >>>>>>>>>  makes no  
> >>>>>>>>>  sense.  
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>  ---  
> >>>>>>>>>  Elizabeth Van Horn  
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-11 10:50, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>  Mr. Bishop-Henchman,  
> >>>>>>>>>>  YOU may not be but others CERTAINLY are. The tone of many  
> >>>>>>>>>>  seems to be  
> >>>>>>>>>>  Shut up and get over it. Let me be clear that I have NO  
> >>>>>>>>>>  intention of  
> >>>>>>>>>>  doing that.  
> >>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-11 09:40, Joe Bishop-Henchman wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Ms. Adams,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>  By my count we have sent 400 emails to each other in a week.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Ms.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Harlos has sent 18 emails in the last twelve hours, more than  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  I've  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  sent in total in a week. People may gripe about it but no one  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  is  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  actually being silenced.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>  I'm doing my best to respond to points being made, answering  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  questions  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  and respectfully if energetically countering arguments. Your  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  response  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  to me was that the proposal I've sponsored is "bullshit,"  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  "unacceptable," "gross," "vile," and "sickening." You then  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  complained  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  about the tone of the debate.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>  I would like to have a good working relationship with all of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  you. On  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Bylaws, if I was on the winning side of votes I made sure the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  minority  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  got a fair shake at presenting their views. If I was on the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  losing  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  side, I accepted it and did my best to make sure that what we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  had  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  passed worked. And I never resorted to name-calling or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  martyrdom. The  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  enemy isn't on this Committee. The enemy are the people out  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  there  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  passing warrantless wiretapping, locking refugee kids up in  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  cages,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  bombing the world, and spending us into oblivion. I promise I  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  will  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  keep sight of that and will greatly respect all of you who do  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  also,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>  even if we occasionally disagree on how we will do it.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>  JBH  
> >>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-11 10:24, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  true that "  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  There is nothing we can do about it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  at this point except live with it the best we can for two  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  years." and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  some in an  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  up folks,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  if this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  you will  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  hate me the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  dismissed  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  and silenced.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  went awry.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  There is nothing we can do about it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  at this point except live with it the best we can for two  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  years. We  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  will have a fix in place before the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  delegates and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  made effective immediately.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  thread  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  which is supposed to just be for recording  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  votes on the motion.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  ---  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sam Goldstein  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian National Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  317-850-0726 Cell  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Oh my goodness. I am sorry but this is beyond belief.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  supposed to NOT  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  yell it from the rooftops? What Party am I in again?  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Lnc-business  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Agreed, to a point. At some time, preaching to the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  choir becomes  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  counter productive. As noted earlier, we are all  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  aware that it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  will make  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  everyone happy immediately. We all want to fix it,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and fix it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  yesterday. I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  points, and yours.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Bring it up once a week. Absolutely. Don't bring it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  up 5 times a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  day. Stopping multiple times to read the same  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  arguments takes away  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  time from working on fixing it, and promoting the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  party in other  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  up continually  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  on a point we 90% or more agree on IS  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  counterproductive. Let's move  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  on and FIX IT.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  this crap  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  happen again.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  John Phillips  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian National Committee Region 6  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Representative  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cell 217-412-5973  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Looking out for the membership and delegates is  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  nothing to be quiet  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  about. I personally hope it is brought up at least  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  once a week until  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  solutions are in place to prevent it from ever  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  happening again.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Respectfully,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Craig Bowden  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Region 1 Alternate  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Lnc-business wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I respectfully decline.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <[1][2]sam.goldstein at lp.org>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Just shut up about this already!  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Respectfully,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ---  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sam Goldstein  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian National Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  317-850-0726 Cell  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Lnc-business wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  PS: Before this vote ends, I am going to put  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  something together  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to try  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to convince you that this is actually one of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the worst ways to  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  solve.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  My first issue - that of steering the delegates  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  down that road  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  with  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  any way that we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  would  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ever do. If it were up to me, I would punt it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  all back to the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  delegates.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The second issue - of how to handle this  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  situation with the JC  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  well  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  we are trying to solve it now and I think we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  are solving it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrong  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  both  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ethically and procedurally.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And a remaining issue - is one where me and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  RONR come into  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  conflict.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Rules are tools. Just because a rule allows  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  something doesn't  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mean  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  is right, and this is probably why the first  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  issue is sticking  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  in my  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  craw so badly. It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to change the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  rules of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  an  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  election mid-way. There is a huge difference  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  between majority  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  plurality and our candidates deserve to know as  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it effects the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  way  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  they  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  campaign. We treated them and their efforts as  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  pawns, and it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  isn't  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  right.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I know some of you are thinking, just shut up  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  about this  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  already.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  is one of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  them.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Just  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  like it was with the eternal secrecy clause  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  last term.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The only way we are going to learn as an  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  organization is if  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  this is  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  bit painful. And in so doing we will model  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  over-the-top  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  integrity  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  our members rather than political expediency.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <[1][2][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ultimately do get the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that hundreds of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  delegates  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  didn't even vote in the two races because we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  put them off so  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  long.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  votes in the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  At-Large  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  by those who  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  stay and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  combination of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  voting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  left us in a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  bad  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  place.===  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  You mean we ran in front of a racing car and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  now are surprised  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  got  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ran over?  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  But it is more than that. The delegates were  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  led to make a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  decision  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  in  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  a certain direction. There WERE other options.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Whether or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  not one  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  agrees with the voting methodology, it is the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  methodology and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  its  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  intent was to use approval voting to show  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  approval and we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  turned it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  on  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  its head. Why weren't the delegates given  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  other options?  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ==All that said, I don't want to just be angry  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and complain.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  As far  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  as  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  actions that can be taken, this resolution is  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the most  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  reasonable.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  all Party  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  members or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  us  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  motion - are  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  even  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  more  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Are they all? I don't think so. And I do think  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  my very real  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  complaint  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  of how the delegates were steered in a certain  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  direction is  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  being  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ignored at best (or maligned at worst).  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ==The contrary view admittedly rests on a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  thread of legality:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  delegates expressed their wish to take the top  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  at-large  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  candidates  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There's also no  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  doubt in  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  my  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mind that had they been asked they would have  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  done the same  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  for the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  JC.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A room of several hundred Libertarians were not  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  coerced into  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  doing  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - they went with what Nick suggested because  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that's what they  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wanted  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  do. He just told them how.===  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And that is where the dispute is. Most of the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  people there  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  trusted  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  us  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (I use us as Nick was acting as the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  spokesperson of the LNC  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and this  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  what they  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wanted.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  They  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  were presented with two choices in which they  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  were led down a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  particular path. You are an attorney Joe, you  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  know exactly  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  what I  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  am  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  getting at here.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Do you really think that if they were offered a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  majority  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  rising vote  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  on  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the spot to choose between options they would  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  not have taken  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that?  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  never ocurred to most of them that there WERE  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  any other  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  options. It  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  didn't immediately occur to me and I am  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  well-versed in this  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  stuff.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  stinks. If a government acted this way we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  would be all  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  lathered up.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Bishop-Henchman  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <[2][3][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I get the anger. I'm angry. When we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ultimately do get the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that hundreds of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  delegates didn't even vote in the two races  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  because we put  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  them  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  off  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  didn't cast  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  votes in  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  elections are  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  won by  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  those who stay and vote - but oh my did we  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  make it hard. The  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  combination of voting methodology, tabulation  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  method, and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  scheduling  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  left us in a bad place.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  All that said, I don't want to just be angry  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and complain.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  As far  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  as  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  actions that can be taken, this resolution is  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the most  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  reasonable.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  of all Party  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  members  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  us filling the JC seats or setting multiple  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  JCs in motion -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  are  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  even  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I do not dispute that one can reasonably  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  argue that every JC  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  candidate was disapproved and that it should  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  sit empty until  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2022.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The contrary view admittedly rests on a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  thread of legality:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  delegates expressed their wish to take the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  top at-large  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  candidates  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and the Bylaws say the same applies for the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  JC. There's also  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  no  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  doubt in my mind that had they been asked  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  they would have  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  done the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  same for the JC. A room of several hundred  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarians were  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  not  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  coerced into doing that - they went with what  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Nick suggested  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  because  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that's what they wanted to do. He just told  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  them how. They  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  didn't  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  want the LNC fighting over who would fill the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  seats if they  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  were  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  left vacant.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  want to write  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  this to  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  sweeping  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  anything  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  how we do  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  elections  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  will  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  be a big priority for many of us.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  JBH  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Lnc-business  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Suspension of the rules has to be specific  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and there is no  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  way  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  around  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the fact that we used the number 5 over  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and over.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This is taking things to an even deeper  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  level of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  improper. I  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  object to  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the whole at-Large process- I don’t think  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the delegates  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  made an  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  independent choice and now to just infer  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  this upon that  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  is two  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  bridges  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  too far.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This is a big screwup and I won’t be part  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  of sweeping it  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  under  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the rug.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  It alarms me to no end how blithely the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  whole situation  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  is  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  being  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  taken.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There are people looking at us and seeing  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  nothing  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  different  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  than  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  government we wish to reform.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  There was a controversial election and at  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  least one state  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  chair  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  candidate has been asking for the state by  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  state rallies  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  with  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  no  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  time  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  frame given him.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The whole thing was an affront to people  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  expecting an  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  entirely  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  different thing when they ran. I will not  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  be sanguine  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  about  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Bilyeu  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <[1][3][4][5]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This point did come up immediately after  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  adjournment,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  while  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Nick  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  was  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  still at the mic. I don't recall who  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  brought it up, but  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  statement  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  was made that it would follow the same  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  procedure as  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  At-Large  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  at  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  point, since we were no longer in  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  session.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  No one raised the question prior to  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Whitney Bilyeu  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Region 7 Representative  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ann Harlos via  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Lnc-business  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <[2][4][5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Joshua they were not given a choice  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  on this. The  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  JC  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  never  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  came  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  up.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <[1][3][5][6][7]joshua.smith at lp.org>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I vote yes. Given that the delegates  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  were given the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  choice  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  at  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  convention  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  just a few short days ago, I believe  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  we should  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  respect  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  decision.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Joshua D. Smith  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  via  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Lnc-business  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  We have an electronic mail ballot.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Votes are due  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LNC-Business  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  list by July 14, 2018 at  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  11:59:59pm Pacific  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  time.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Co-Sponsors:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hagan, Merced, Van  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Horn  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Motion:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Move  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  that  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  the Libertarian National  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee acknowledge  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  election of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  following to the Judicial  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee for a  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  four-year  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  term:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  D.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Frank  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Perry, Ruth  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Bennett,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Geoff  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Neale,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Jim  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  can keep track  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary's  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  manual tally of votes here:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1][2][4][6][7][8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  In Liberty,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Region 1 Representative,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  National  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  (Alaska,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Kansas, Montana,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Utah,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Wyoming,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Washington)  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  - [2]Caryn.Ann.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Communications Director,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [3]Libertarian  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Party of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Colorado  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Chair, LP Historical  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Preservation Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  A haiku to the Statement of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Principles:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  We defend your rights  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  And oppose the use of force  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  Taxation is theft  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  References  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  1.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [3][5][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.co  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  m/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  2.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >  3.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [5][6][8][9][10]http://www.lpcolor  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In Liberty,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian Party and Libertarian  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  National  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary at LP.org.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Chair, LP Historical Preservation  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LPedia at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A haiku to the Statement of  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Principles:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We defend your rights  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And oppose the use of force  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Taxation is theft  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  References  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  1.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[7][9][10][11]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [8][10][11][12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [9][11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  4.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  5.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [11][12][13][14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  6.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In Liberty,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian Party and Libertarian  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  National Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary at LP.org.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Chair, LP Historical Preservation  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LPedia at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We defend your rights  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And oppose the use of force  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Taxation is theft  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  References  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  1.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[13][14][15]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[14][15][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[15][16][17]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  4.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [16][17][18]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  5.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [17][18][19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  6.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [18][19][20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  7.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  mailto:[19][20][21]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  8.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [20][21][22]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  9.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [21][22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  11.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [23][23][24]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  JBH  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ------------  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Joe Bishop-Henchman  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LNC Member (At-Large)  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [26][24][25]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [27][25][26]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In Liberty,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary at LP.org.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LPedia at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We defend your rights  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And oppose the use of force  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Taxation is theft  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In Liberty,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary at LP.org.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LPedia at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We defend your rights  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And oppose the use of force  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Taxation is theft  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  References  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  1. mailto:[26][27]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2. mailto:[27][28]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3. mailto:[28][29]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  4. mailto:[29][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  5. mailto:[30][31]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  6. [31][32]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  7. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  8. [33][34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  9. mailto:[34][35]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  10. [35][36]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  11. [36][37]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  12. [37][38]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  13. mailto:[38][39]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  14. mailto:[39][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  15. mailto:[40][41]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  16. [41][42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  17. [42][43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  18. [43][44]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  19. mailto:[44][45]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  20. [45][46]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  21. [46][47]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  22. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  23. [48][48]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  24. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  25. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  26. mailto:[51][49]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  27.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [52][50]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  28. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  29. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In Liberty,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Committee Secretary  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - [55]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary at LP.org.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LPedia at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We defend your rights  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And oppose the use of force  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Taxation is theft  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  References  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  1. mailto:[51]sam.goldstein at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2. mailto:[52]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  4. mailto:[54]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  5. mailto:[55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  6. mailto:[56]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  7. [57]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  8. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  9. [59]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  10. mailto:[60]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  11. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  12. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  13. [63]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  14. mailto:[64]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  15. mailto:[65]lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  16. mailto:[66]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  17. [67]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  18. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  19. [69]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  20. mailto:[70]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  21. [71]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  22. [72]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  23. [73]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  24. mailto:[74]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  25.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [75]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  26. mailto:[76]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  27. mailto:[77]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  28. mailto:[78]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  29. mailto:[79]lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  30. mailto:[80]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  31. [81]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  32. [82]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  33. [83]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  34. mailto:[84]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  35. [85]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  36. [86]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  37. [87]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  38. mailto:[88]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  39. mailto:[89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  40. mailto:[90]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  41. [91]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  42. [92]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  43. [93]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  44. mailto:[94]joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  45. [95]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  46. [96]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  47. mailto:[97]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  48. [98]http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  49. mailto:[99]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  50. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  51. mailto:[101]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  52.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  [102]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  53. mailto:[103]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  54. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  55. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  --  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  In Liberty,  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Secretary  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - [106]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  LPedia at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We defend your rights  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And oppose the use of force  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Taxation is theft  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  References  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  2. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  5. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  7. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  11. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  15. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  17. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  18. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  20. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  21. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  22. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  24. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  25. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  26. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  27. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  28. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  29. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  30. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  31. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  32. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  35. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  36. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  37. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  38. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  39. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  41. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  42. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  43. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  44. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  45. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  46. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  47. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  48. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  49. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  50. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  51. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  52. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  53. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  54. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  55. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  56. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  57. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  58. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  59. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  60. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  61. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  62. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  63. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  64. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  65. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  66. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  67. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  68. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  69. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  70. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  71. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  72. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  73. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  74. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  75. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  76. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  77. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  78. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  79. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  80. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  81. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  82. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  83. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  84. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  85. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  86. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  87. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  88. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  89. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  90. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  91. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  92. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  93. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  94. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  95. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  96. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  97. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  98. http://www.lpcolorado.org/  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  99. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  100. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  101. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  102. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  103. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  104. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  105. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  106. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
>
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   Erin,

   Can you pretty please with sugar on top just stop the insulting
   insinuations? It’s my overall ‘feeling’ that this is counterproductive
   and hurtful.

   You’re a dedicated activist and hard worker. And yet you are involved
   in a stupid catfight with *another* dedicated activist and hard worker
   fighting the same battle. Consider for one second that it might not
   *just* be that other person who is entirely at fault. Consider that
   communication styles vary, and that wide latitude should be made by
   considerate people working toward a common goal.

   Everything you have written in this thread is like a hammerblow to my
   carefully cultivated rational serenity, so please stop acting like you
   are some sort of gentle communications expert and Elizabeth is somehow
   ‘violent’ in her responses.

   Susan Jane Hogarth

   Region 5 Alternate

   [1]919-906-2106

   On Jul 13, 2018 at 9:54 PM, <[2]erin.adams--- via Lnc-business> wrote:

"Stop the insulting insinuations" stated as a directive (order)
Nonviolent Communication holds that most conflicts between individuals
or groups arise from miscommunication about their human needs, due to
coercive or manipulative language that aims to induce fear, guilt,
shame, etc. These "violent" modes of communication, when used during a
conflict, divert the attention of the participants away from clarifying
their needs, their feelings, their perceptions, and their requests, thus
perpetuating the conflict.

Perhaps it isnt what was said but the way it was said that is the issue.
Food for thought

On 2018-07-12 21:28, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
> Erin, NO ONE is ordering you around. Stop the insulting insinuations.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
>
> On 2018-07-12 21:49, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>> Say whatever youd like, It wont change a damn thing. If I was cool
>> with being ordered around, Id likely be a member of the duopoly, Im
>> not.Im fairly certain anyone who knows me will tell you that Im picky
>> about who I let tell me what to do, you dont qualify.
>>
>> On 2018-07-11 19:09, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>> Nonsense.  In your mind, but not mine. My intent matters.
>>>
>>> Believe me, I have no problem stating my mind. IF I want to say,
>>> "move
>>> on", I'll bloody well write that.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-07-11 20:02, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>>>> Elizabeth,
>>>> The implication is the same. Regardless, you and I will disagree on
>>>> this, Thats fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-11 18:50, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>> Erin, I never told you to more on.  Nor, did I "insist", that you
>>>>> do.
>>>>> What are you talking about?  I suggested this:
>>>>>
>>>>> "If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you could
>>>>> take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who have
>>>>> discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people makes no
>>>>> sense."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please go back and reread what I wrote.  I don't appreciate you
>>>>> making
>>>>> up stuff that I never wrote.  Sheesh, it's all right here in
>>>>> writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-07-11 19:43, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>>>>>> I am glad we can agree on something. Just as you will continue to
>>>>>> hold
>>>>>> your beliefs and stance, I will do the same. The difference being
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I am not telling you to move on even tho you insist that I do. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> happy we have found agreement
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 18:38, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>>>> No one is "diminishing" your stance.  I also stated my opinion.
>>>>>>> Nor,
>>>>>>> am I not going to be silent when I see unwarranted accusations
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> tossed around on this list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, that's my opinion.  Also, the accusations that Caryn Ann has
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>> about people being "silenced' is unwarranted.  (Nor, am I the
>>>>>>> only to
>>>>>>> think this.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't have to agree, but neither do I have to be silent on
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 19:25, erin.adams at lp.org wrote:
>>>>>>>> Elizabeth,
>>>>>>>> It is an overall "feeling", Im clearly not the only person
>>>>>>>> "feeling"
>>>>>>>> this, you dont have to agree, you dont have to acknowledge my
>>>>>>>> stance
>>>>>>>> nor my feeling, you dont get to diminish my stance either. It is
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> OPINION that there is a push to silence, like it or not, that IS
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> belief. I dont need to justify that, it simply is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 13:42, Elizabeth Van Horn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Erin, what others?  I haven't seen anyone on this list try to
>>>>>>>>> silence
>>>>>>>>> others. Most people have discussed, I added the type of
>>>>>>>>> feedback I'm
>>>>>>>>> getting in region 3, and what options they're wanting.  Others
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> done the same.  If anything there's been pressure put on those
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> want to move-on, by saying that people will bring up the topic
>>>>>>>>> constantly, and if a "yes" vote happens, that person
>>>>>>>>> immediately being
>>>>>>>>> gone after to change their vote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have voted yet, as I'm still getting opinions from my region,
>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>> can say that no one has shown an interest in rehashing the
>>>>>>>>> At-Large
>>>>>>>>> vote.  For the JC, more seem inclined to just *not* have a JC,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> have the body elect a new JC in 2020. (Some others wish to have
>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>> accept the top-seven vote-getters of the JC)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have a complaint about a specific person, perhaps you
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> take it to them off list, but to accuse wholesale those who
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> discussed this issue, of "others" trying to silence people
>>>>>>>>> makes no
>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 10:50, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Bishop-Henchman,
>>>>>>>>>> YOU may not be but others CERTAINLY are. The tone of many
>>>>>>>>>> seems to be
>>>>>>>>>> Shut up and get over it. Let me be clear that I have NO
>>>>>>>>>> intention of
>>>>>>>>>> doing that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 09:40, Joe Bishop-Henchman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Adams,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By my count we have sent 400 emails to each other in a week.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ms.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos has sent 18 emails in the last twelve hours, more than
>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>> sent in total in a week. People may gripe about it but no one
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> actually being silenced.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing my best to respond to points being made, answering
>>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>> and respectfully if energetically countering arguments.  Your
>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>>> to me was that the proposal I've sponsored is "bullshit,"
>>>>>>>>>>> "unacceptable," "gross," "vile," and "sickening." You then
>>>>>>>>>>> complained
>>>>>>>>>>> about the tone of the debate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to have a good working relationship with all of
>>>>>>>>>>> you. On
>>>>>>>>>>> Bylaws, if I was on the winning side of votes I made sure the
>>>>>>>>>>> minority
>>>>>>>>>>> got a fair shake at presenting their views. If I was on the
>>>>>>>>>>> losing
>>>>>>>>>>> side, I accepted it and did my best to make sure that what we
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> passed worked. And I never resorted to name-calling or
>>>>>>>>>>> martyrdom. The
>>>>>>>>>>> enemy isn't on this Committee. The enemy are the people out
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> passing warrantless wiretapping, locking refugee kids up in
>>>>>>>>>>> cages,
>>>>>>>>>>> bombing the world, and spending us into oblivion. I promise I
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> keep sight of that and will greatly respect all of you who do
>>>>>>>>>>> also,
>>>>>>>>>>> even if we occasionally disagree on how we will do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JBH
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-11 10:24, erin.adams--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> true that "
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing we can do about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>  at this point except live with it the best we can for two
>>>>>>>>>>>> years." and
>>>>>>>>>>>> honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from
>>>>>>>>>>>> some in an
>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle
>>>>>>>>>>>> up folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> if this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of
>>>>>>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>>>>>>> hate me the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be
>>>>>>>>>>>> dismissed
>>>>>>>>>>>> and silenced.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections
>>>>>>>>>>>>> went awry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing we can do about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this point except live with it the best we can for two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years.  We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have a fix in place before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delegates and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made effective immediately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is supposed to just be for recording
>>>>>>>>>>>>> votes on the motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh my goodness.  I am sorry but this is beyond belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to NOT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    yell it from the rooftops?  What Party am I in again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Agreed, to a point.  At some time, preaching to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choir becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      counter productive.  As noted earlier, we are all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      everyone happy immediately.  We all want to fix it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fix it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      yesterday.  I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points, and yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bring it up once a week.  Absolutely.  Don't bring it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up 5 times a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      day. Stopping multiple times to read the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments takes away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      time from working on fixing it, and promoting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party in other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up continually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      on a point we 90% or more agree on IS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterproductive.  Let's move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      on and FIX IT.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this crap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      happen again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      John Phillips
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Libertarian National Committee Region 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Looking out for the membership and delegates is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to be quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      about. I personally hope it is brought up at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a week until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      solutions are in place to prevent it from ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happening again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Craig Bowden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Region 1 Alternate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      On 2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      I respectfully decline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      <[1][2]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Caryn Ann,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Just shut up about this already!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         On 2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         PS:  Before this vote ends, I am going to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something together
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            to convince you that this is actually one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the worst ways to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         solve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            My first issue - that of steering the delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down that road
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any way that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            ever do.  If it were up to me, I would punt it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            delegates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            The second issue - of how to handle this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation with the JC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            we are trying to solve it now and I think we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are solving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            ethically and procedurally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            And a remaining issue - is one where me and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RONR come into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      conflict.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Rules are tools.  Just because a rule allows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            is right, and this is probably why the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue is sticking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            craw so badly.  It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      rules of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            election mid-way.  There is a huge difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            plurality and our candidates deserve to know as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it effects the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            campaign.  We treated them and their efforts as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pawns, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            I know some of you are thinking, just shut up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            like it was with the eternal secrecy clause
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last term.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            The only way we are going to learn as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization is if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            bit painful.  And in so doing we will model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-the-top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            our members rather than political expediency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            <[1][2][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            ==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately do get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            didn't even vote in the two races because we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put them off so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> votes in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      At-Large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by those who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      stay and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      voting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left us in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            place.===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            You mean we ran in front of a racing car and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now are surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            ran over?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            But it is more than that.  The delegates were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> led to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      decision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            a certain direction.  There WERE other options.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Whether or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      not one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            agrees with the voting methodology, it is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> methodology and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            intent was to use approval voting to show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      turned it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            its head.  Why weren't the delegates given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other options?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            ==All that said, I don't want to just be angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      As far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            actions that can be taken, this resolution is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      members or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motion - are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Are they all?  I don't think so. And I do think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my very real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         complaint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            of how the delegates were steered in a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            ignored at best (or maligned at worst).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            ==The contrary view admittedly rests on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread of legality:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            delegates expressed their wish to take the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at-large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      doubt in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            mind that had they been asked they would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         JC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            A room of several hundred Libertarians were not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coerced into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            - they went with what Nick suggested because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            do. He just told them how.===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            And that is where the dispute is.  Most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      trusted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            (I use us as Nick was acting as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spokesperson of the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      and this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      wanted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            were presented with two choices in which they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were led down a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            particular path.  You are an attorney Joe, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            getting at here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Do you really think that if they were offered a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      rising vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            the spot to choose between options they would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            never ocurred to most of them that there WERE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      options.  It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            didn't immediately occur to me and I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-versed in this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            stinks.  If a government acted this way we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      lathered up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bishop-Henchman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            <[2][3][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              I get the anger. I'm angry. When we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately do get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              delegates didn't even vote in the two races
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because we put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't cast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      votes in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      won by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              those who stay and vote - but oh my did we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make it hard. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              combination of voting methodology, tabulation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> method, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         scheduling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              left us in a bad place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              All that said, I don't want to just be angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      As far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              actions that can be taken, this resolution is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              us filling the JC seats or setting multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JCs in motion -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              I do not dispute that one can reasonably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue that every JC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              candidate was disapproved and that it should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sit empty until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      2022.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              The contrary view admittedly rests on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread of legality:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              delegates expressed their wish to take the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top at-large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              and the Bylaws say the same applies for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JC. There's also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              doubt in my mind that had they been asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      done the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              same for the JC. A room of several hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              coerced into doing that - they went with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              that's what they wanted to do. He just told
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them how. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              want the LNC fighting over who would fill the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seats if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              left vacant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to write
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      this to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweeping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      elections
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              be a big priority for many of us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              JBH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              On 2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Suspension of the rules has to be specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 the fact that we used the number 5 over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 This is taking things to an even deeper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      improper.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              object to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 the whole at-Large process- I don’t think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      made an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 independent choice and now to just infer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this upon that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      is two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              bridges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 too far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 This is a big screwup and I won’t be part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of sweeping it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              the rug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 It alarms me to no end how blithely the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole situation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 There are people looking at us and seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 government we wish to reform.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 There was a controversial election and at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least one state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 candidate has been asking for the state by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state rallies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 frame given him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 The whole thing was an affront to people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expecting an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 different thing when they ran.  I will not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be sanguine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bilyeu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   <[1][3][4][5]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   This point did come up immediately after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjournment,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   still at the mic. I don't recall who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought it up, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                statement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   was made that it would follow the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedure as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      At-Large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   point, since we were no longer in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> session.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   No one raised the question prior to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   Whitney Bilyeu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   Region 7 Representative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   <[2][4][5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        Joshua they were not given a choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on this. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      JC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                <[1][3][5][6][7]joshua.smith at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      I vote yes. Given that the delegates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      convention
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      just a few short days ago, I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      respect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Joshua D. Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Votes are due
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >    list by July 14, 2018 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >    Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hagan, Merced, Van
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Horn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 Motion:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >    the Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee acknowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 election of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >    following to the Judicial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      four-year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            term:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >    Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perry, Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bennett,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Neale,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >    Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can keep track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Secretary's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >    manual tally of votes here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1][2][4][6][7][8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    Region 1 Representative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kansas, Montana,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Utah,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          > Washington)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    - [2]Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    Communications Director,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Party of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    Chair, LP Historical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    A haiku to the Statement of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          > References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3][5][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      m/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          >    3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [5][6][8][9][10]http://www.lpcolor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        Libertarian Party and Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        A haiku to the Statement of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                     References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[7][9][10][11]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [8][10][11][12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [9][11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        5.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [11][12][13][14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                        6.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   Libertarian Party and Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[13][14][15]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[14][15][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[15][16][17]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [16][17][18]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   5.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [17][18][19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   6.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [18][19][20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[19][20][21]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [20][21][22]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                   9.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [21][22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [23][23][24]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              JBH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              ------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              [26][24][25]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [27][25][26]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              - [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              1. mailto:[26][27]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              2. mailto:[27][28]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              3. mailto:[28][29]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              4. mailto:[29][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              5. mailto:[30][31]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              6. [31][32]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              7. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              8. [33][34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              9. mailto:[34][35]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             10. [35][36]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             11. [36][37]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             12. [37][38]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             13. mailto:[38][39]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             14. mailto:[39][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             15. mailto:[40][41]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             16. [41][42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             17. [42][43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             18. [43][44]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             19. mailto:[44][45]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             20. [45][46]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             21. [46][47]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             22. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             23. [48][48]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             24. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             25. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             26. mailto:[51][49]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             27.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [52][50]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             28. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             29. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         - [55]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         1. mailto:[51]sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         2. mailto:[52]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         3. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         4. mailto:[54]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         5. mailto:[55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         6. mailto:[56]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         7. [57]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         8. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         9. [59]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        10. mailto:[60]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        11. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        12. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        13. [63]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        14. mailto:[64]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        15. mailto:[65]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        16. mailto:[66]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        17. [67]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        18. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        19. [69]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        20. mailto:[70]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        21. [71]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        22. [72]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        23. [73]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        24. mailto:[74]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        25.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [75]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        26. mailto:[76]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        27. mailto:[77]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        28. mailto:[78]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        29. mailto:[79]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        30. mailto:[80]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        31. [81]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        32. [82]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        33. [83]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        34. mailto:[84]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        35. [85]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        36. [86]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        37. [87]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        38. mailto:[88]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        39. mailto:[89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        40. mailto:[90]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        41. [91]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        42. [92]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        43. [93]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        44. mailto:[94]joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        45. [95]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        46. [96]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        47. mailto:[97]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        48. [98]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        49. mailto:[99]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        50. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        51. mailto:[101]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        52.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [102]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        53. mailto:[103]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        54. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        55. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - [106]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    2. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    5. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    7. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   11. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   15. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   17. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   18. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   20. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   21. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   22. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   24. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   25. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   26. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   27. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   28. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   29. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   30. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   31. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   32. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   35. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   36. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   37. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   38. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   39. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   41. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   42. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   43. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   44. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   45. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   46. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   47. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   48. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   49. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   50. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   51. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   52. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   53. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   54. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   55. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   56. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   57. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   58. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   59. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   60. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   61. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   62. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   63. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   64. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   65. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   66. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   67. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   68. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   69. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   70. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   71. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   72. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   73. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   74. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   75. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   76. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   77. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   78. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   79. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   80. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   81. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   82. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   83. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   84. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   85. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   86. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   87. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   88. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   89. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   90. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   91. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   92. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   93. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   94. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   95. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   96. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   97. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   98. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   99. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  100. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  101. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  102. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  103. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  104. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  105. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  106. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

References

   1. tel:919-906-2106
   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org