[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Sat Jul 14 13:48:58 EDT 2018
I hear all the arguments and understand them all. I even have some level of agreement. My region is still unanimously if favor, and keep stating that the top 7 is what they intended/thought/wanted/would have supported. So I will be maintaining my Yes vote.
Honestly, also, sometimes shit happens and you jast have to do your best to fix it and move on, even if your choices suck. IMHO having NO JC sucks more if shit hits the fan, and if it does not then it is a non issue.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Tim Hagan via Lnc-businessDate: Sat, Jul 14, 2018 1:36 PMTo: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: Tim Hagan;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
I change my vote to No.
After reading Mr. Brown's & Ms. Mattson's analyses and contemplating on
the issue, I've come to the conclusion that the Judicial Committee is
vacant with no one having the authority to fill the vacancies. Part of
this is also considering the phrase "as specified" in Rule 9 to refer to
the manner specified that is written in the Convention Special Rules of
Order.
This is sub-optimal as it leaves no committee for suspended affiliates,
officers, or at-large members to appeal their suspension to, thus
potentially violating their rights to an appeal. The best solution is
for no one to take any action that's suspension-worthy. :)
I'll throw out an idea for the rare event that an appeal of an LNC
action may be needed. The LNC could create an ad-hoc Advisory Committee
that can hear appeals over the items specified in Bylaws Article 6,
Section 2, Parts a, b, & c. The LNC commits to reverse a suspension if
the Advisory Committee, after hearing an appeal, advises that the
suspended affiliate, officer, or at-large member should be reinstated.
The committee's members will be D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl
Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle.
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2018-07-08 20:47, Tim Hagan wrote:
> I vote yes.
>
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>
> On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn Motion: Move
>> that
>> the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the election of the
>> following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year term: D. Frank
>> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale,
>> Jim
>> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of the Secretary's
>> manual tally of votes here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 3. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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I hear all the arguments and understand them all. I even have some
level of agreement. My region is still unanimously if favor, and keep
stating that the top 7 is what they intended/thought/wanted/would have
supported. So I will be maintaining my Yes vote.
Honestly, also, sometimes shit happens and you jast have to do your
best to fix it and move on, even if your choices suck. IMHO having NO
JC sucks more if shit hits the fan, and if it does not then it is a non
issue.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2018 1:36 PM
To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Tim Hagan;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION
OF JC
I change my vote to No.
After reading Mr. Brown's & Ms. Mattson's analyses and contemplating on
the issue, I've come to the conclusion that the Judicial Committee is
vacant with no one having the authority to fill the vacancies. Part of
this is also considering the phrase "as specified" in Rule 9 to refer to
the manner specified that is written in the Convention Special Rules of
Order.
This is sub-optimal as it leaves no committee for suspended affiliates,
officers, or at-large members to appeal their suspension to, thus
potentially violating their rights to an appeal. The best solution is
for no one to take any action that's suspension-worthy. :)
I'll throw out an idea for the rare event that an appeal of an LNC
action may be needed. The LNC could create an ad-hoc Advisory Committee
that can hear appeals over the items specified in Bylaws Article 6,
Section 2, Parts a, b, & c. The LNC commits to reverse a suspension if
the Advisory Committee, after hearing an appeal, advises that the
suspended affiliate, officer, or at-large member should be reinstated.
The committee's members will be D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl
Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle.
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On [3]2018-07-08 20:47, Tim Hagan wrote:
> I vote yes.
>
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>
> On [4]2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn Motion: Move
>> that
>> the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the election of the
>> following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year term: D. Frank
>> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale,
>> Jim
>> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of the Secretary's
>> manual tally of votes here: [1][5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [2][6]Caryn.Ann.[7] Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 2. mailto[9]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 3. [10]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. tel:2018-07-08 20
4. tel:2018-07-07 22
5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. http://Caryn.An/
7. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
9. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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