[Lnc-business] The Purging of Alex Jones

Fri Aug 10 02:51:51 EDT 2018

Nothing I said implied force.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:33 AM Craig Bowden <craig.bowden at lp.org> wrote:

> My opinion doesn't change, regardless of what is being censored based on
> terms agreed to. And as I said, we can certainly state that we disagree
> with actions a company takes. That is the purview of our own speech that
> can be used. Just as I didn't like that the cake baker refused service,
> I do not want government to do anything about it. The answer is that we
> can voice displeasure. We can boycott. We can create alternatives in the
> market. We can encourage others to take money elsewhere. We can
> encourage selling off the stocks of a company.
>
> That is how you handle a situation like this. As a political party,
> however, when we speak, we must be careful. The reason we must be
> careful, is that when we take a position, it can be seen as this is how
> we would govern, or how we would make laws. So any statement must be
> carefully made, if at all, on this sort of issue.
>
> You do not want the appearance that we are advocating for government to
> force or regulate this sort of thing.
>
> So if the party is going to take a stance on this, I personally would
> have to see language on it before I could get behind it. The last thing
> I want is more perception that we would like to force the baking of a
> cake.
>
> Regards,
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alternate
>
>
>
> On 2018-08-09 22:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > ====We can certainly dislike private censorship, but at the end of the
> > day,
> > since it was not government, the best we can do is say that we
> > disagree
> >
> > with what those social media platforms did.===
> >
> > Make the issue about race, gender, or war and insert that conclusion
> > above and ask if we would have the same opinion.
> >
> > We wouldn’t.
> >
> > The issue isn’t if private organizations have the right to do
> > something - of course they do.  The issue is whether it is right to do
> > so.  We have never only stood on the side of rights we have also stood
> > on the side of right - and the instrinsic value of open speech in an
> > arena where it should be expected (unlike church and more like a stage
> > for rent) is one of those things that are necessarily to prevent a
> > corporate dystopia which is just as destructive to human freedom as a
> > state one.
> >
> > We can’t pretend as if we only take absolutely thin libertarian
> > stances because we don’t.
> >
> > A huge criticism of libertarianism is that we seem to act like only
> > government can be bad actors and that private action is at worst
> > neutral.  And that is rightly rejected as being very naive.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:12 PM Craig Bowden <craig.bowden at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My statement on the issue was already done during a radio interview
> >> the
> >> other day. While I certainly don't appreciate people using certain
> >> type
> >> of language or twisting the truth, etc. they should be able to do
> >> so.
> >> However, if a platform decides that a person is violating their
> >> terms of
> >> service, which the user agreed to, it becomes a matter of contract.
> >> We
> >> can certainly dislike private censorship, but at the end of the day,
> >>
> >> since it was not government, the best we can do is say that we
> >> disagree
> >> with what those social media platforms did.
> >>
> >> I personally have zero support for Mr. Jones, but also don't mind if
> >> he
> >> does what he does. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. On the
> >>
> >> side of caution, I would say that we would need to know actual facts
> >> on
> >> why he was taken down. Was it due to repeated violations of terms of
> >>
> >> use? If so, I wouldn't say a dang word, because he clicked accept.
> >>
> >> If I were to go in front of my church and start talking about the
> >> glory
> >> of Satan, I would get shut down immediately. Why? Because I don't
> >> have
> >> freedom of speech at that pulpit. By entering the building, I agree
> >> that
> >> I will abide by the rules of the church. It is the same with social
> >> media platforms. That is the building, if the terms are violated,
> >> after
> >> being agreed to, that is on the person going against those terms.
> >>
> >> Craig Bowden
> >> Region 1 Representative
> >>
> >> On 2018-08-09 12:21, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> Is the LP going to issue an opinion on this?  It is the perfect
> >>> opportunity to affirm rights while showing that rights are not the
> >> end
> >>> all and be all to a healthy society.  A society of peaceful bigots
> >> -
> >>> for instance - is a sick society. So is a society that
> >>> paternalistically protects us all from "those unfit to speak".
> >>>
> >>> Whether or not they are *allowed* to do it misses the point.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> IN LIBERTY,
> >>> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>>
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> _We defend your rights_
> >>> _And oppose the use of force_
> >>> _Taxation is theft_
> >  --
> >
> > IN LIBERTY,
> > CARYN ANN HARLOS
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > _We defend your rights_
> > _And oppose the use of force_
> > _Taxation is theft_
>
> --
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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