[Lnc-business] Fwd: Confidence in LNC restored

[phillip.anderson at lp.org]

Thankfully, the general public and electorate, and most of our membership, are oblivious to these inside squabbles, and have a pretty good understanding of what libertarianism is and isn't from our candidates. At least, whatever misconceptions the public might have come from non-libertarians, not from the  LNC or any caucus. 




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On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 6:16 PM -0500, "Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:










      
  

 Isn’t it funny how a few trolls and their useful idiots can have us at each others’ throats? Grandstanding, posturing, threatening to quit?
  

  
If it had been planned it couldn’t have worked better.   
  

  
The LP has been around for over five decades, with plenty of left/right fringers trying to get a toehold. They will go, and until they do they are a tiny minority among us. The posturing and bulldogging gives them much more credibility than they would ever see within the party if they were simply shunned as the fools they are.   
  

  
I think we should assume less of a defensive posture - that makes us look weak. I don’t think we need denouncements or proclamations. These guys were roundly rejected at the Convention. Why keep letting them determine our discourse and set the tone of our conversations?
  

  
Our words and actions should in almost every case describe what the Libertarian Party *is*, rather than be a response to what a few trolls want to make it.   
  

  
By all means celebrate capitalism. I want to see the Party doing more of that. All this talking about communism *associates* communism and the LP. It makes it seem as if we are facing a huge existential crisis and perilously close to adopting socialism as the LP’s preferred economic ideology    We’re not.   
  
  
  
  
  Susan Jane Hogarth
  
  Region 5 Alternate
  
  919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)
  
  
  
  

  
  
>   
> On Aug 13, 2018 at 6:56 PM,    wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  I will state that as a candidate in Utah, if we moved toward socialism,  
> I would burn my card and denounce the Libertarian Party mid-race.  
> Principles are why I came here. If we don't stand up for them, I will be  
> gone. That simple.  
>
> Principles are: non aggression. Self-ownership.  
>
> If we take that stand that non voluntary means are acceptable, such as  
> the end result of socialism, then we are lost and I will be once again  
> politically homeless. I have no problems with co-ops existing. You do  
> you, but there must be the ability for a person to revoke consent and  
> leave a commune in order for it to be voluntary. Since there has been  
> advocacy for the forced taking of property, I cannot support that, will  
> not support that, and anyone in Region 1 who has a problem with me  
> saying such is welcome to demand a recall of my post with their chairs.  
>
> It is NOT divisive to call out aggression in ideology.  
>
> Craig Bowden  
> Region 1 Alternate  
>
> On 2018-08-13 13:10, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:  
> >  Since a criticism lodged was about distraction from candidates- expect  
> >  letters from candidates who have expressed that it kept them in the  
> >  race because they could point to national leaders repudiating this.  
> >   
> >  If you don’t think association with communism will come out and bite  
> >  our candidates in the ass, well....  
> >   
> >  I know that not everyone cares about the sheerly ideological points  
> >  but  
> >  rather are election focused.  
> >   
> >  How is welcoming communists and looting business owners going to  
> >  help  
> >  us at the polls??  
> >   
> >  It isn’t.  
> >   
> >  -Caryn Ann  
> >   
> >  On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:55 PM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business  
> >   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  
> >   
> >  I received the following email, espousing praise for Ms Harlos and  
> >  Mr  
> >  Smith for their opposition to socialist influence in the LP.  
> >  ---  
> >  Yours in Liberty,  
> >  Justin O'Donnell  
> >  LNC Region 8 Representative  
> >  LPNH Alternate- LNC Platform Committee  
> >  Chair- LPNH Platform Committee  
> >  Candidate for US Congress, NH-2  
> >  [2]www.odonnell2018.org  
> >  -------- Original Message --------  
> >  Subject: Confidence in LNC restored  
> >  Date: 2018-08-13 14:48  
> >  From: demochamp  <[3]demochamp at yahoo.com>   
> >  To: [4]justin.odonnell at lp.org  
> >  Hello my name is Michael Cordova I am a Libertarian party member  
> >  from  
> >  Albuquerque New Mexico.  
> >  Last week after much consideration I renewed my membership to  
> >  the  
> >  Libertarian party  
> >  I had recently let my membership lapse for several months trying  
> >  to  
> >  figure out where I belong, due to the recent run for national  
> >  chair  
> >  by a  
> >  self proclaimed socialist as well as rhetoric from the libertarian  
> >  socialist caucus. I had lost hope that I belonged in the LP. I do  
> >  not  
> >  support "bottom unity" and fail to understand how socialism of any  
> >  kind  
> >  is compatible with the LP.  
> >  I am writing this e-mail because several members of the LNC  
> >  have  
> >  stepped up and spoken out against socialism and what I consider an  
> >  attempted socialist takeover.  
> >  I would like to personally thank:  
> >  Caryn Ann Harlos  &  Joshua Smith  
> >  They both have renewed my confidence in the LP leadership and have  
> >  giving me hope for the future of the party.  
> >  I can now tell my friends and family who were hesitant to join  
> >  the  
> >  party due to the ties to left wing economic policies like Medicare  
> >  for  
> >  all and ideas like rent is theft and capitalism is murder, that  
> >  those  
> >  ideas and policies do not represent me nor the Libertarian party.  
> >  Thanks again.  
> >  Michael Cordova  
> >   
> >  --  
> >   
> >  --  
> >  In Liberty,  
> >  Caryn Ann Harlos  
> >  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary  
> >  - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.  
> >  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org  
> >  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
> >  We defend your rights  
> >  And oppose the use of force  
> >  Taxation is theft  
> >   
> >  References  
> >   
> >  1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
> >  2. http://www.odonnell2018.org/  
> >  3. mailto:demochamp at yahoo.com  
> >  4. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org  
> >  5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
>
>
>




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   Thankfully, the general public and electorate, and most of our
   membership, are oblivious to these inside squabbles, and have a pretty
   good understanding of what libertarianism is and isn't from our
   candidates. At least, whatever misconceptions the public might have
   come from non-libertarians, not from the  LNC or any caucus.

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   On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 6:16 PM -0500, "Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business"
   <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:




 Isn’t it funny how a few trolls and their useful idiots can have us at each oth
ers’ throats? Grandstanding, posturing, threatening to quit?



If it had been planned it couldn’t have worked better.



The LP has been around for over five decades, with plenty of left/right fringers
 trying to get a toehold. They will go, and until they do they are a tiny minori
ty among us. The posturing and bulldogging gives them much more credibility than
 they would ever see within the party if they were simply shunned as the fools t
hey are.



I think we should assume less of a defensive posture - that makes us look weak.
I don’t think we need denouncements or proclamations. These guys were roundly re
jected at the Convention. Why keep letting them determine our discourse and set
the tone of our conversations?



Our words and actions should in almost every case describe what the Libertarian
Party *is*, rather than be a response to what a few trolls want to make it.



By all means celebrate capitalism. I want to see the Party doing more of that. A
ll this talking about communism *associates* communism and the LP. It makes it s
eem as if we are facing a huge existential crisis and perilously close to adopti
ng socialism as the LP’s preferred economic ideology    We’re not.




  Susan Jane Hogarth

  Region 5 Alternate

  919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)







>
> On Aug 13, 2018 at 6:56 PM,    wrote:
>
>
>
>  I will state that as a candidate in Utah, if we moved toward socialism,
> I would burn my card and denounce the Libertarian Party mid-race.
> Principles are why I came here. If we don't stand up for them, I will be
> gone. That simple.
>
> Principles are: non aggression. Self-ownership.
>
> If we take that stand that non voluntary means are acceptable, such as
> the end result of socialism, then we are lost and I will be once again
> politically homeless. I have no problems with co-ops existing. You do
> you, but there must be the ability for a person to revoke consent and
> leave a commune in order for it to be voluntary. Since there has been
> advocacy for the forced taking of property, I cannot support that, will
> not support that, and anyone in Region 1 who has a problem with me
> saying such is welcome to demand a recall of my post with their chairs.
>
> It is NOT divisive to call out aggression in ideology.
>
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alternate
>
> On 2018-08-13 13:10, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >  Since a criticism lodged was about distraction from candidates- expect
> >  letters from candidates who have expressed that it kept them in the
> >  race because they could point to national leaders repudiating this.
> >
> >  If you don’t think association with communism will come out and bite
> >  our candidates in the ass, well....
> >
> >  I know that not everyone cares about the sheerly ideological points
> >  but
> >  rather are election focused.
> >
> >  How is welcoming communists and looting business owners going to
> >  help
> >  us at the polls??
> >
> >  It isn’t.
> >
> >  -Caryn Ann
> >
> >  On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:55 PM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business
> >   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:
> >
> >  I received the following email, espousing praise for Ms Harlos and
> >  Mr
> >  Smith for their opposition to socialist influence in the LP.
> >  ---
> >  Yours in Liberty,
> >  Justin O'Donnell
> >  LNC Region 8 Representative
> >  LPNH Alternate- LNC Platform Committee
> >  Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
> >  Candidate for US Congress, NH-2
> >  [2]www.odonnell2018.org
> >  -------- Original Message --------
> >  Subject: Confidence in LNC restored
> >  Date: 2018-08-13 14:48
> >  From: demochamp  <[3]demochamp at yahoo.com>
> >  To: [4]justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >  Hello my name is Michael Cordova I am a Libertarian party member
> >  from
> >  Albuquerque New Mexico.
> >  Last week after much consideration I renewed my membership to
> >  the
> >  Libertarian party
> >  I had recently let my membership lapse for several months trying
> >  to
> >  figure out where I belong, due to the recent run for national
> >  chair
> >  by a
> >  self proclaimed socialist as well as rhetoric from the libertarian
> >  socialist caucus. I had lost hope that I belonged in the LP. I do
> >  not
> >  support "bottom unity" and fail to understand how socialism of any
> >  kind
> >  is compatible with the LP.
> >  I am writing this e-mail because several members of the LNC
> >  have
> >  stepped up and spoken out against socialism and what I consider an
> >  attempted socialist takeover.
> >  I would like to personally thank:
> >  Caryn Ann Harlos  &  Joshua Smith
> >  They both have renewed my confidence in the LP leadership and have
> >  giving me hope for the future of the party.
> >  I can now tell my friends and family who were hesitant to join
> >  the
> >  party due to the ties to left wing economic policies like Medicare
> >  for
> >  all and ideas like rent is theft and capitalism is murder, that
> >  those
> >  ideas and policies do not represent me nor the Libertarian party.
> >  Thanks again.
> >  Michael Cordova
> >
> >  --
> >
> >  --
> >  In Liberty,
> >  Caryn Ann Harlos
> >  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >  - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >  We defend your rights
> >  And oppose the use of force
> >  Taxation is theft
> >
> >  References
> >
> >  1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >  2. http://www.odonnell2018.org/
> >  3. mailto:demochamp at yahoo.com
> >  4. mailto:justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >  5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
>

References

   1. https://aka.ms/ghei36
   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org