[Lnc-business] Resolution Proposal
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Tue Aug 14 08:51:23 EDT 2018
Now that I am more awake, good changes BUT This resolution needs to be much shorter. All the legalese makes people tune it out.
Make it short and sweet. "As the Libertarian Party has always supported the right to own property, and the owner's to use that property as they see fit, we resolve rent is not theft".
Use a couple of the terms EVH suggested maybe, but short and sweet, which is odd coming from me I know.
Or even just say "We reaffirm the principles outlined in our platform regarding property rights, therefore rent is not theft".
It IS already covered, so why get carried away.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: john.phillips--- via Lnc-businessDate: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 7:24 AMTo: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business;Cc: john.phillips at lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Resolution Proposal
Good changes
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 4:36 AMTo: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Resolution Proposal
I was thinking the same. It's better to define what something *is*,
instead of what it's not.
Instead of saying, "rent is not theft", say: "rent is a lawful use of a
capital asset"
I'd also change the word "retrieval" to "regain possession".
Might want to use terms that are in rental and lease agreements,
although probably not necessary if the general gist is there. As the
resolution is an educational statement regarding property use, not a
legal agreement. Try this for that last section:
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is a lawful use of a capital asset, and
owners of property such as land and
housing, have the right to regain possession of said property, and
retain a security deposit, if damages violate the voluntary contractual
agreements.
---------------------------
Oh, and family has owned real estate for many decades, and yes, we
collect rent. It's not theft. ; )
I'll be a co-sponsor.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-08-14 05:07, Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business wrote:
> “Its affiliates” (no apostrophe)
>
> Try wording the resolution positively rather than negatively,
> perhaps?
>
> Susan Jane Hogarth
>
> Region 5 Alternate
>
> [1]919-906-2106
>
> On Aug 14, 2018 at 5:04 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business>
> wrote:
>
> Before I ask for co-sponsorship, is there anyone who would want to
> tweak some of the wording proposed by Matt kibler:
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> Richard
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mark Kibler <[1]mkibler160 at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 12:52
> Subject: Property rights
> To: <[2]Richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>
> I would ask that you stand against the complaints filed against
> Caryn
> Ann Harlos and Josh Smith for standing for Libertarian Principles
> and
> would like you to propose the following resolution to the LNC
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
>
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
>
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> In Liberty,
> Mark Kibler
>
> --
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [3]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:mkibler160 at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:Richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 3. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:919-906-2106
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Good changes
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 4:36 AM
To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Resolution Proposal
I was thinking the same. It's better to define what something *is*,
instead of what it's not.
Instead of saying, "rent is not theft", say: "rent is a lawful use of a
capital asset"
I'd also change the word "retrieval" to "regain possession".
Might want to use terms that are in rental and lease agreements,
although probably not necessary if the general gist is there. As the
resolution is an educational statement regarding property use, not a
legal agreement. Try this for that last section:
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is a lawful use of a capital asset, and
owners of property such as land and
housing, have the right to regain possession of said property, and
retain a security deposit, if damages violate the voluntary contractual
agreements.
---------------------------
Oh, and family has owned real estate for many decades, and yes, we
collect rent. It's not theft. ; )
I'll be a co-sponsor.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On [3]2018-08-14 05:07, Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business wrote:
> “Its affiliates” (no apostrophe)
>
> Try wording the resolution positively rather than negatively,
> perhaps?
>
> Susan Jane Hogarth
>
> Region 5 Alternate
>
> [1][4]919-906-2106
>
> On Aug 14, 2018 at 5:04 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business>
> wrote:
>
> Before I ask for co-sponsorship, is there anyone who would want to
> tweak some of the wording proposed by Matt kibler:
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> Richard
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mark Kibler <[1[5]]mkibler160 at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 12:52
> Subject: Property rights
> To: <[2[6]]Richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>
> I would ask that you stand against the complaints filed against
> Caryn
> Ann Harlos and Josh Smith for standing for Libertarian Principles
> and
> would like you to propose the following resolution to the LNC
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
>
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
>
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> In Liberty,
> Mark Kibler
>
> --
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [3[7]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [8]931.538.9300
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[9]:mkibler160 at gmail.com
> 2. mailto[10]:Richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 3. mailto[11]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[12]919-906-2106
> 2. mailto[13]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. tel:2018-08-14 05
4. tel:919-906-2106
5. mailto:]mkibler160 at gmail.com
6. mailto:]Richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
8. tel:931.538.9300
9. mailto::mkibler160 at gmail.com
10. mailto::Richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
12. tel:919-906-2106
13. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
-------------- next part --------------
Now that I am more awake, good changes BUT This resolution needs to be
much shorter. All the legalese makes people tune it out.
Make it short and sweet. "As the Libertarian Party has always
supported the right to own property, and the owner's to use that
property as they see fit, we resolve rent is not theft".
Use a couple of the terms EVH suggested maybe, but short and sweet,
which is odd coming from me I know.
Or even just say "We reaffirm the principles outlined in our platform
regarding property rights, therefore rent is not theft".
It IS already covered, so why get carried away.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: [2]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 7:24 AM
To: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business;
Cc: [3]john.phillips at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Resolution Proposal
Good changes
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [4]217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business Date: Tue
, Aug 14, 2018 4:36 AMTo:[5] lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;Subje
ct:Re: [Lnc-business] Resolution Proposal
I was thinking the same. It's better to define what something *is*,
instead of what it's not.
Instead of saying, "rent is not theft", say: "rent is a lawful use of a
capital asset"
I'd also change the word "retrieval" to "regain possession".
Might want to use terms that are in rental and lease agreements,
although probably not necessary if the general gist is there. As the
resolution is an educational statement regarding property use, not a
legal agreement. Try this for that last section:
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is a lawful use of a capital asset, and
owners of property such as land and
housing, have the right to regain possession of said property, and
retain a security deposit, if damages violate the voluntary contractual
agreements.
---------------------------
Oh, and family has owned real estate for many decades, and yes, we
collect rent. It's not theft. ; )
I'll be a co-sponsor.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On [6]2018-08-14 05:07, Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business wrote:
> “Its affiliates” (no apostrophe)
>
> Try wording the resolution positively rather than negatively,
> perhaps?
>
> Susan Jane Hogarth
>
> Region 5 Alternate
>
> [1][7]919-906-2106
>
> On Aug 14, 2018 at 5:04 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business>
> wrote:
>
> Before I ask for co-sponsorship, is there anyone who would want to
> tweak some of the wording proposed by Matt kibler:
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> Richard
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mark Kibler <[1[8]]mkibler160 at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 12:52
> Subject: Property rights
> To: <[2[9]]Richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>
> I would ask that you stand against the complaints filed against
> Caryn
> Ann Harlos and Josh Smith for standing for Libertarian Principles
> and
> would like you to propose the following resolution to the LNC
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
>
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
>
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> In Liberty,
> Mark Kibler
>
> --
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [3[10]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [11]931.538.9300
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[12]:mkibler160 at gmail.com
> 2. mailto[13]:Richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 3. mailto[14]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[15]919-906-2106
> 2. mailto[16]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Good changes
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1][17]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 4:36 AM
To: [2[18]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Resolution Proposal
I was thinking the same. It's better to define what something *is*,
instead of what it's not.
Instead of saying, "rent is not theft", say: "rent is a lawful use of a
capital asset"
I'd also change the word "retrieval" to "regain possession".
Might want to use terms that are in rental and lease agreements,
although probably not necessary if the general gist is there. As the
resolution is an educational statement regarding property use, not a
legal agreement. Try this for that last section:
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is a lawful use of a capital asset, and
owners of property such as land and
housing, have the right to regain possession of said property, and
retain a security deposit, if damages violate the voluntary contractual
agreements.
---------------------------
Oh, and family has owned real estate for many decades, and yes, we
collect rent. It's not theft. ; )
I'll be a co-sponsor.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On [3][19]2018-08-14 05:07, Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business wrote:
> “Its affiliates” (no apostrophe)
>
> Try wording the resolution positively rather than negatively,
> perhaps?
>
> Susan Jane Hogarth
>
> Region 5 Alternate
>
> [1][4][20]919-906-2106
>
> On Aug 14, 2018 at 5:04 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business>
> wrote:
>
> Before I ask for co-sponsorship, is there anyone who would want to
> tweak some of the wording proposed by Matt kibler:
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> Richard
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mark Kibler <[1[5][21]]mkibler160 at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 12:52
> Subject: Property rights
> To: <[2[6][22]]Richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>
> I would ask that you stand against the complaints filed against
> Caryn
> Ann Harlos and Josh Smith for standing for Libertarian Principles
> and
> would like you to propose the following resolution to the LNC
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> free trade among individuals;
>
> WHEREAS, while free trade may include co-ops and resource pooling,
> it
> must always be voluntary;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land and housing;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the rights of individuals to
> engage in contractual agreements of their own free will, including
> real
> estate rental contracts;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including land and housing,
> does not require continual and personal use to exist as justly owned
> property;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party since its founding;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, rent is not theft, and owners of land and
> housing have the right to retrieval of said property and other
> damages
> if voluntary contractual agreements are breached.
>
> The Libertarian Party encourages it's affiliates to consider similar
> resolution. Liberty is a precious gift that require eternal
> vigilance.
>
> In Liberty,
> Mark Kibler
>
> --
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [3[7][23]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [8][24]931.538.9300
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[9][25]:mkibler160 at gmail.com
> 2. mailto[10][26]:Richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 3. mailto[11][27]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[12][28]919-906-2106
> 2. mailto[13][29]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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